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I am new to this listing and am looking for ancestors of my second great grandfather, John David Griffiths. He was born 14 Aug. 1841 in Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire; married Elizabeth Ann "Eliza" Edwards 31 Oct. 1863 in Methyr, Glamorganshire. Departed for the US from Liverpool 2 Aug. 1865 aboard the SS Scotland arriving here 18 Aug. 1865. Lived in Pennsylvania and Virginia, Coshocton County, Ohio before moving onto Riley County, Kansas in 1885 (give or take 3 or 4 years). He died 30 April 1919 in Riley County, Kansas.
His mother was Mary Davies who married John David Griffiths father John on 3 Dec. 1840. According to family stories John the father died 4 months before his son was born on 5 April 1841. Found Mary and John David in both the 1851 and 1861 Wales census.
1851: Lived in Hamlet of Trecastle, parish of Llanarthney (house/road - no name). Mary is 50, widow, and listed as pauper carpenter's widow. John David is listed as nine.
1861: Live same, but this year house/road is Gellyglyd. Mary is 62, widowed, housekeeper. John David is listed as 19 and blacksmith. They have Mary's godson living with them - his name is John Rees and he is 30, Single and a shoemaker.
Yesterday I received, from England, the marriage certificate for Mary Davies and John Griffiths. List both fathers.
Mary's father is Benjamin Davies and the address listed for them at the time of her marriage was Trehiring in Llangunnock. I found Benjamin, 65, and his wife, Sarah, 60, listed at this address (almost a dead match although the census has it as Trehyn) on the 1841 Wales census. They have three children living with them....Benjamin, 15; Jane, 15; and Sarah, 10.
John's father is William Griffiths and the address listed was Pontygof in the parish of Llanllawddog. Found William in the 1841 census at exactly that address. He has (what I think) are four daughters and one son living with him...Mary, 35; Adda, 20; Anne, 20; Hannah, 15 and Evan, 15.
Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I would like to find out more about the parents and siblings of Mary Davies and John Griffiths. More than that would be fantastic. Thank you for taking the time to read this and I am hoping to find Welsh cousins.
Barbara Wilkerson
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Hi Vicki
Hope your husband is okay, and will recover soon......
this is the write up from
Historical Carmarthenshire Homes and their Families by Major Francis
Jones.....
Pengay, St Ishmael
On high ground about a mile east of the parish church. Originally called
Pengay Ucha, it survives as a commodious 18th century house of three
storeys, with a range of five windows on each floor; nearby is a large
walled garden, also well built outhouses arranged in the form of a square
enclosing a farmyard entered through an arched gateway over which is a small
turret containing a bell dated 1760. A description made in 1937 states that
a corner stone of the residence is inscribed 'M.M. 1725' and a stone in the
wasll of the haggard is dated 1815. The first known owner-occupier, Mr
Morris Bevan, died in 1779 aged 80 and was buried in St Ishmaels. He was
followed by his son John Bevan who married (in 1773) Bridget daughter of
William Rees of Laugharne (High Sheriff 1765) by Mary Davies of Penalltcych,
Clydey, Pembs. He was followed by his son John Howell Bevan (High Sheriff
1822) described as owner-occupier of Pengay Ucha in 1797-1827. In 1794 one
of the sons, William Bevan, an ardent Wesleyan, went to London where he
received a blow in the chest, causing him to return to Pengay, where he died
in 1799. John Howell Bevan had a son, John Elliot Bevan, and three
daughters, one of whom, Mary, married Augustus Leach. In 1840 we learn that
the county was 'indebted to - Bevan, Esq., of Pengay, for the introduction
of the Norfolk and other improved systems of agriculture.' Augustus Leach
was living as his wife's home where his four children were born in the
period 1835-40. The house and premises are still in excellent condition..
*************
It gives good background into the Bevan family........
hope this helps, there is mention of the Leach family in Pembrokeshire
Historical Homes do you want these extracts too.....
Pauline
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> Hi Pauline
> Sorry I haven't answered other emails, my husband was admitted to hospital
> today and I haven't had a chance to sit and answer.
> No I don't have the write up of Pengay St...as long as its not too much
> trouble.
> Cheers
> Vicki, NZ
> keewey(a)xtra.co.nz
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> Hi Vivki
>
> Do you have the write-up of Pengay St Ishmaels?
>
> If not let me know and I'll type here for you...
>
> Pauline
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>
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> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:17 AM
> Subject: [CMN-L] LEACH thanks and help please
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>>
>> Hi
>> My dear friend Glenda joined the group last week and posted
>> a search on the LEACH family. Thank you so much for the information
>> found.
>> Glenda and I met an another mailing list trying to match up DAVIES, but
>> sadly they weren't the same. So we are still on the search there. In the
>> meantime she has been helping me with my family research.
>>
>> Anyway this is the information I have so far:
>> Augustus LEACH b. 1838 Wales and died Aust. 1922 married
>> Margaret DAVIES b. abt 1840 in Wales and died Aust. 1920. I have found
>> them
>> on the shipping records in 1868 arriving in Australia. They were my
>> great
>> grandparents.
>>
>> Augustus' parents I have discovered are Augustus LEACH
>> (1798-1865) and Mary BEVAN (1803-1889).
>> Going from the pages sent privately, the next generations
>> were Abraham LEACH (1763-1843) and Catherine SMYTH (?-1861).
>> His parents were Abraham LEACH (1729-1811) and Margaret
>> ALLEN (1730-1770).
>>
>> I would really appreciate it if anyone could help me find
>> out further information on the above names.
>> Thanks in advance for your help
>>
>> Vicki
>> keewey(a)xtra.co.nz
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LLANDEILO, THE TOWN.
Llandilo occupies a sloping and commanding position on the right bank of the river Towy, across which it is approached by three bridges, namely-Llandilo bridge, a very elegant stone structure; the railway bridge; and a footbridge built at the expense of A. J. Gulston, Esq., and now generally called by that gentleman's name.
Llandilo is twenty-four miles from Swansea, twenty from Llanelly, fifteen from Carmarthen, and twelve from Llandovery, and is connected with those places by railway; Lampeter is twenty-four miles distant.
The hill upon which the town stands is crowned by the beautiful park of Dynevor, and attains in some points an elevation about 200 feet above the river.
The exposed and elevated position, the steepness of the surface on which it is built, and the absence of any remarkable crowding in the houses, are circumstances highly favourable to cleanliness. Much of the surface is rock, and admits of being easily swept. Many of the cottages face the open country. In addition to these natural advantages the sanitary condition of the town is further secured by the operation of the "Nuisances Removal Act." Its slaughter house, too, attached to the Market Place, situated on the margin of the upper part of the town, is in every respect well appointed for its purposes.
The population in 1861 amounted to 1430, which in 1841 was 1313.
A line circumscribing the town would be somewhat of an oblong, having its longer axis cast and west. The main road from Trallwm to the bridge lying N.E. and S.W.; and that from the Market-place to the further end of Abbot Street, lying N.W. and S.E., divide this oblong into four compartments, of which the northern is the most thickly studded with houses; and the southern, in which stand the Church and Church Street, is the least so. Bridge Street is considered as being outside the supposed oblong.
The town and liberty contains about 200 acres, and is one of the fourteen hamlets, comprising the large parish of Llandilo-fawr, which altogether is 26,000 acres.
It is under the provisions of the Local Government Act; it has an abundant supply of soft water, obtained from the hill facing it on the south, at a distance of a couple of miles. It is lighted by gas, supplied by a company, limited. It is the county town; but owing to its deficiency of accomodation, the assizes are held at Carmarthen, where also is the County Gaol. The Quarter Sessions are held here and at Carmarthen alternately. The principal business connected with the election of members for the county is carried on here. An annual Court Leet is held under the authority of the Lord of the Manor.
Supposing now a visitor having arrived at the Railway Station (the Llandilo), and desirous of being made acquainted with the ins and outs of this little town, we here proffer him assistance. Taking the roadway, and passing the saw-mills of the Messrs. Thomas, we ascend to Trallwm, where, on the right, will be noticed a large building, constructed of the native stone-it is Lewis's, or "The South Wales Brewery," in the arrangements and fitting up of which the most modern improvements have been adopted, both as regards machinery and apparatus. The place is well worthy of a visit. Proceeding up and leaving the new road which leads by a short cut to the Market Place, Dynevor Park, and the Carmarthen Road; and observing another as yet unopened road opposite on the left, which leads to Church Street, we attain the summit of the rising ground in Rhosmaen Street; and here on the right is an entrance to a street-Bank Buildings, leading to a cluster of houses-and having an outlet into the new road.. Pursuing our way along Rhosmaen-street we come to the Castle Inn, the second in the town; further on and next door to which is the Post Office, and somewhat in the rear is the oldest chapel in the town-namely that of the Calvinistic Methodists. Just beyond and on the same side is the Savings Bank, designed by Mr. John Harries, of Llandilo, opposite which in the rear is situated the Wesleyan Chapel, and a little lower stands the principal hotel-The Cawdor Arms-and opposite to it is the Stamp Office. Further on, a little after passing the temporary station of a branch of the National and Provincial Bank, we get to the central point of the town, where five streets or roads meet; the direct route leads, between the churchyards, to Bridge Street; but taking our course short to the right, we enter Carmarthen Street (the Local Board has not yet thought it necessary to put up the names of the streets), and advancing a little we pass an entrance into King Street, and then come to the Shire Hall on the right-a plain structure erected in 1802; the ground floor of which is the Corn Market; and the room above it, of the same area, is the Court Room, suitable for its purpose by daylight, but a dingy place by night, gaslight not yet having penetrated there. On the same floor are two retiring-rooms, and another room on a lower elevation, now used as an armoury. The back part of the ground floor consists of a store-room and two cells for prisoners, and other offices.
Retracing our steps, let us enter King Street by the entrance just passed, or further down, at our central point, near the chestnut tree, which is so great an ornament to the town. It will be noticed that a triangular block of houses separates these two entrances into King Street. Upon the site occupied by the portion of these houses facing the south, stood once the old shambles. Strolling up this street, and attaining the point at which it goes off to the right, the flue prospect to the south and east across the churchyard should be viewed. Ascending the hill to the right, a large quadrangular building is reached, which was formerly the George Hotel; but, after various vicissitudes, has become, through the munificence of the Lord Dynevor, "The Vicarage." Going along the George Lane, the upper part of Carmarthen Street is reached, and proceeding along this to the left, we come to another monument of Lord Dynevor's benevolence-the National Schools, attached to what was formerly the Charity School, built and carried on for many years at the sole charge of the late Lord Dynevor, and carefully and assiduously superiutended by those excellent ladies, the sisters of the present baron. There, a few if not many a Llandilo sexagenarian was aided in his early scholastic struggles. The National School buildings have been made over by Lord Dynevor to trustees for the public benefit. They are very ample and commodious, and deserving of The inspection of the tourist, and of the gratitude of the humane.
A portion of the old school-house is converted into the master's dwelling; and a part of that is the present locale of the Llandilo Literary Institution, which has had a chequered existence of some twenty years; its present state is perhaps the best it has ever enjoyed; and to all appearance further prosperity awaits it. Whilst so much money and so much attention is being paid publicity and contributed privately to what is designated the education of children, it is a little strange that the efforts of those who have passed their teens to educate themselves, in this great country, should receive so little encouragement and material assistance: but this kind of philanthropy has not yet, perhaps, become fashionable, and cannot very well utilize it. This Institution at Llandilo is and always has been a lodger, occupying one room, subject to a short notice to quit; is more of a name than a habitation. The room is open to strangers visiting the town, at a charge of sixpence a week. The flImea and other dailies, together with weeklies and monthlies, are taken in. Opposite the National Schools stands the commodious Market-place, with slaughter-house attached. It is the private property of A. J. Guiston, Esq., whose property also is the greater portion of the land upon which the town stands. Now, returning along the George Lane, passing the Vicarage and upper part of King Street, and taking the road on the right, we arrive at the Bank, the establishment of Messrs. D. Jones & Co., carried on for many years to the great benefit of the district, under the able and obliging management of Mr. John Prytherch. Proceeding, we descend the Lamb Hill, and pass the King's Head Inn, and Jones's brewery, we then get to the lower end of the main road, dividing the churchyard, whence diverge Church Street, Quay Street, and Bridge Street, and the hill just descended. Opposite the King's Head is another brewery and maithouse, the Canton, Davies's. Church Street and Abbot Street form the curve, which, with the central main road contain the lower churchyard. Quay Street leads down the steep hill, to some of the meadows on the river. Bridge Street is the terrace facing the south and open country, from which a fine and extensive view may be had, including the river and railways, and backed up by a bold escarpment of the hills, thee or four miles distant. Tregib, the mansion of J. W. M. Gwynne Hughes, Esq., is a striking object on the south of the river; and the Union Workhouse (workhouse by figure of speech) lies also on the fiat. Proceeding down the street, the magnificent prospect to the S.W. and West, which on attaining the bridge, opens to view a long reach of the far-famed Towy, meandering in "a long and verdant lawn," adorned by the noble wood enfolding the ruins of the ancient Castle of Dynevor, Grongar Hill, Nelson's Tower, Dryslwyn Castle, and Golden Grove-the park and mansion of the Earl of Cawdor. The western scene presented from the bridge on a fine summer's evening, may safely be pronounced as simply gorgeous.
The house, somewhat in the Tudor style, seen on the terrace overlooking the bridge, and abutting on Dynevor Park, was built in the time of the Lord Cawdor, grandfather of the present Earl, for the Carmarthenshire residence of his lordship's chief agent, U. B. Williams, Esq., and is still occupied by that gentleman, who, however, resigned some time since that responsible post, the duties of which he discharged for very many years, with so much satisfaction to the late Earl and his father, that, to all appearance, and according to general report he was regarded by them more in the character of a friend than that of agent. The ground occupied by the hoAse and its appurtenances is the whole of the land (situated in that vicinity) which belongs to the Golden Grove estate-and it is surrounded by the Dynevor property and the high road. It is a bit of land well utilised and prettily adorned-a kind of advanced post of one bold baron into the territory of another. The visitor will not fail to notice the massiveness and grandeur of the bridge, upon which he is supposed to . stand. A good view of it is to be had from the meadow below, on the right bank of the river. The span of the fine elliptic arch is nearly 145 feet, and the height of the arch from the level of the spring is 411 feet. The length, breadth, and height of the whole structure are respectively 863 feet, 26 feet, and 47 feet. It was completed in the year 1848. The design was furnished by Mr Williams, mason, of Llandilo, and bridge surveyor of the county. The original contract was taken by Mr. Morgan Morgan, mason, of the neighbourhood, who executed the whole of the more difficult works, which, however, absorbed a good deal more than the amount of his contract, £6,000, and ultimately he was unable to proceed. The county became its own builder, and the affair got very troublesome to the magistrates. Mr Haycock, an architect, of Shrewsbury, was got to the rescue; £22,000 were spent altogether, the job was finished, and the county got the finest stone bride in Wales, and one of the finest in the kingdom, and well harmonising with the surrounding magnificent scenery. The road across the bridge leads to the street called Towy Terrace, commenced after the completion of the bridge, in which is situated the Llandilo Bridge Station on the Yale of Towy Railway, and to the suburb of Ffairfach and the station of that name on the Llanelly and Llandilo Railway, near which is a large building in a burial ground, with a handsome facade pedimented and ornamented. This is "The Tabernacle," the spacious place of worship of the Congregationalists of the neighbourhood. Its interior arrangements and fittings are in keeping with the exterior. Nearly opposite the chapel, and behind some cottages, are the Gas Works. A little to the right of the road where it is crossed by the railway is the quarry whence was obtained the excellent stone with which the principal portion of Llandilo bridge was built.
Returning to the bridge, up Bridge Street, to Church Street, which leads, on the margin of the lower churchyard, round to Abbey Terrace, and so on to our central station. About midway stands Mount Pleasant, where diverge two roads one leading to the river, Gulston Bridge, and the Llandilo Railway Station; the other to the main road between the town and the station. The large building on the left, at the commencement of the second of the roads referred to, is the Baptist Chapel, in whose construction comfort and commodiousness have been principally if not entirely consulted.
Regards
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REEVE:
The foreman of the villeins, and later, of the copyholders, of the Manor.
He was the official with whom the Lord's Bailiff dealt.
He was elected by the Tenants, but could pay to be excused his office.
In small Villages, the Reeve might double duty as the constable
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This may be of interest to you!
BAILIFF:
A MAnorial Lord's local manager, appointed from outside the tenantry.
He watched hidslord's interests, superintended his demesne land and conducted relations with the tenants of the manor through their representative, the reeve.
He was resposible to the Lord or his Steward for the efficient carrying out of his duties.
KIDWELLY BAILIFFS 1800-1843
1800 David Rees and Win. Andrews.
1801 David Rees and Walter Thomas.
1802 David Rees and Walter Thomas.
1803 John Roberts and Sl. Anthony.
1804 David Rees and Wm. Williams.
1805 David Rees and Wm. Williams.
1806 David Rees and Wm. Williams.
1807 David Rees and Wm. Williams.
1808 John Morgan and Charles Rees.
1809 John Morgan and Charles Rees.
1810 John Morgan and Charles Rees.
1811 Rees Williams and Charles Rees.
1812 Wm. Williams and John Williams..
1813 Wm. Williams and Wm. Thomas.
1814 Wm. Williams and George Stevens
1815 Wm. Williams and. George Stevens
1816 Wm. Williams and George Stevens
1817 Charles Rees and John Williams.
1818 Rees Williams and James Prickett.
1819 Rees Williams and James Prickett.
1819 Charles Rees and john Williams.
1820 Charles Rees and John Williams.
1821 Charles Rees and John Williams.
1822 James Prickett and John David.
1823 William David and David Job.
1824 William Jones and John Lewis.
1825 Wm. Williams and John Rees.
1826 Wm. Williams and John Rees.
1827 Richard Morgan and Thomas Thornas .
1828 William David and John Lewis.
1829 Richard Morgan and David Job.
1830 Richard Morgan and David Job.
1831 Richard Morgan and John Griffiths
1832 Richard Morgan and John Griffiths
1833 Richard Morgan and John Griffiths
1834 Wm. Williams and John Lewis.
1835 Wm. Williams and John Lewis.
1836 Wm. Williams and Richard Morgan.
1837 Wm. Williams and Richard Morgan.
1838 Wm. Williams and Richard Morgan.
1839 Wm. Williams and Richard Morgan.
1840 Richard Morgan and John Griffiths.
1841 Wm. David and William Gower.
1842 Wm. Gower and Richard Morgan.
1843 Wm. Gower and Richard Morgan
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Hello everyone ---
I'm new to the list and I was wondering if anyone out there might connect to
the THOMAS family of Pwll. I don't know
much about the family but here's what I have so far.....
My ggg grandfather was John THOMAS - b. 1798 in Pembrey. On 18th March
1823, he married Hannah THOMAS (yep,
her maiden name was Thomas too...yikes...no wonder this gets so
confusing!). :) Hannah THOMAS was born around
1802 in Llanelly.
On the 1841 census, I show them living in Pwll (in an area called Penllech)
with the following children:
William -- age 15
Anne ----- age 13
Margaret - age 9
Hannah --- age 7
John ------- age 5
Thomas -- age 2 -- my gg grandfather who emigrated to Pennsylvania in 1863
I have been able to find them on the 1851 and 1861 censuses. (On the 1851
census, they have had another son, David, b. 1842).
I'm hoping that someone out there might connect to this family as well!!
:)
Regards,
Susan
Hi
My dear friend Glenda joined the group last week and posted
a search on the LEACH family. Thank you so much for the information found.
Glenda and I met an another mailing list trying to match up DAVIES, but
sadly they weren't the same. So we are still on the search there. In the
meantime she has been helping me with my family research.
Anyway this is the information I have so far:
Augustus LEACH b. 1838 Wales and died Aust. 1922 married
Margaret DAVIES b. abt 1840 in Wales and died Aust. 1920. I have found them
on the shipping records in 1868 arriving in Australia. They were my great
grandparents.
Augustus' parents I have discovered are Augustus LEACH
(1798-1865) and Mary BEVAN (1803-1889).
Going from the pages sent privately, the next generations
were Abraham LEACH (1763-1843) and Catherine SMYTH (?-1861).
His parents were Abraham LEACH (1729-1811) and Margaret
ALLEN (1730-1770).
I would really appreciate it if anyone could help me find
out further information on the above names.
Thanks in advance for your help
Vicki
keewey(a)xtra.co.nz
Thank you so much for the marriage details, Pauline, I wasn't expecting more
than the date and the bride's second name, so am very happy. Shame she
couldn't have a more unusual name than Williams, but then again that can be a
mixed blessing, Furphys in England are very likely to be my relatives, but may
be written and transcribed as all sorts of things, Tarpley and Tupey are the
best so far ...
Hi Joy
If I have my facts right my connection is indirect via Charles Stone,
William Stone's brother (both of whose parents were Isaac Stone and Hannah
Winchcombe/Winscombe). Charles Stone was my 3rd great grandfather, who
produced
another Hannah Stone (my second great grandmother). She first married a John
Jenkins and then a John Rees (my second great grandfather).
I think you may have sent me the John Stone descendants lineage sometime in
the past?
You may have come across the below already but if not you should find it of
interest:
I had some info re Isaac Stone and Hannah's marriage earlier in the year
plus siblings which you might find of interest:
The recently released new Bristol Marriage Index 1754-1812 has this info:
Isaac Snook Stone (otp) & Hannah Winchcombe (otp)
1st January 1806 at St James, Bristol - Banns
(otp = of this parish). Discussions I have had on other forums indicate it
was fairly common to go to Bristol to get married and claim to be otp
Also:
Hannah daug of James and Counsel Winscomb bapt 4 Apr (1779)
>From Nailsea site
http://www.portbury-hundred.co.uk/nailseabapbur.htm
and
A number of siblings of Hannah from the above site:
Betty - bapt 20.7.1762
Hester - 18.3.1764
Samuel 30.3.1766
Ruth 3.2.1771
Hannah 18.6.1775 buried 23.8.1775
Hannah (ours) 4.4.1779
Roy
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Five Roads School
> Hi Roy
>
> This is the Hannah Stone Born?/baptised 21 August 1857 - the daughter of
> William Stone and his wife Elizabeth (Jenkins). The family lived at
> Quarry, Llangendeirne
>
> Hannah, aged 7 years, was buried at Llangendeirne Parish Church on 13
> September 1864
>
> What is your connection to her?
>
> Bye for now
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Hi Roy
This is the Hannah Stone Born?/baptised 21 August 1857 - the daughter of
William Stone and his wife Elizabeth (Jenkins). The family lived at
Quarry, Llangendeirne
Hannah, aged 7 years, was buried at Llangendeirne Parish Church on 13
September 1864
What is your connection to her?
Bye for now
Joy
Hi Christine
Many thanks for the extracts from the Five Roads School Log Book. I
would be very interested in any mention of childlren from the Stone
family. As I had not obtained Hannah's death certificate I was
particularly interested to note that her death was caused by a fall from
a cart.
Some school log books are better than others providing wonderful
information about the social conditions at the time - children being
taken out of school to help with farm work as their income from this, no
matter how small, would help the family finances - September 1863
"numbers down due to harvest" and July 1864 "absenteeism for
haymaking". Fairs and ploughing matches meant a social gathering whilst
attending Hannah Stone's furneral was a sadder occasion. With the cold
in school one wonders how many of them contracted TB or phthesis which
appears on so many death certificates of the time. I have an instance
of a family member, suffering and dying from this, teaching needlework
to the girls in a school of 40 children all crammed into one cold damp
schoolroom in North Wales.
Bye for now
Joy
Llandissilio 1881 Census Images
Llandissilio 1891 Census Images
Llandissilio 1901 Census Images
Note: All Llandissilio Census Images include Pembrokeshire Llandissilio
No Burials as yet for Llandissilio trying to obtain them from CRO
As most of you will notice it is our intention to add all the info:
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Marriages
Baptisms
Burials
Wills
Non-Conformist Registers
Bonds & Fita etc etc
To each and every Parish in Carmarthenshire,
Pembrokeshire, Cardiganshire and other Welsh Counties in the near future, this is an ongoing project, Carmarthenshire will be completed in the next several month with Pembrokeshire following.
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Thanks so much for sharing this very interesting report on Five Roads
School........really enjoyed it
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Thomas" <Christine(a)thomas7765.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <Carmarthenshire-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: [CMN-L] Five Roads School
> 1863
> 4 Aug 1863 school opened with 46 children - described as " very ignorant
> ".
> 5 Aug 4 more children
> 11 Aug 30 more children
> 24 August W. Stone punished for climbing the wall in the dinner hour.
> September - numbers down due to harvest
> 14 September pupils gave 1d to buy coal. A load of coal cost 2/3 plus 1/-
> carriage.
> 26 Oct many children home drawing potatoes. It was noted that the children
> could scarcely write the alphabet and in arithmetic could write figures ,
> but imperfectly.
> 2 november 50 pupils but no coal for fire
> 30 November New pupil mary jenkins
> 24 Dec pupils went in search of holly and evergreens
> 1864
> 1 Feb John Hugh Cilferi agreed to pay for 6 children but only 5 listed -
> John and david Francis , Benjamin phillips , Sarah harris and hannah Hugh.
> 10 Feb peter Skym severely punished for acting indecently towards a girl.
> 4 march low attendance , ploughing match in neighbourhood.
> 9 march punished for mitching : - Wm Evans , wm Hughes, G. Wms and Evan
> Hughes from class1 and John Thomas class2.
> 14 march The monitor was William Thomas. Wm Evans left for boarding school
> .
> 11 may Thomas davies received a black eye after being hit by a ball.
> 12 July Fine weather. absenteeism for haymaking.
> 13 july John Edmunds lost a reading book
> 13 september. Attendance only 17 because of the funeral of hannah Stone
> accidentally killed when thrown off a cart.
> 30 Sept Many absent. fair day Llanelly.
> 3 Oct scarletina raging in neighbourhood
> 8 Oct Load of coal Delivered free by Wm Stone
> 1865
> 25 Jan Deep snow. thermometer 43 degrees
> 15 Feb short of cash. children slow in bringing second penny for winter.
> 16 Feb ran out of coal
> 17 Feb R. Edmonds ordered coal free
> 25 sept Llanelly fair
> 29 Sept Elizabeth Edmunds failed to bring needlework to school. She was
> directed to say that her sister could teach her as well at home as Miss
> Howells could in school.
> 1866
> 26 jan 41 children taken to Atheneum Llanelly to see panorama of America
> 13 march ploughing match
> 6 August Miss Elizabeth Thomas appointed teacher of needlework
> 1 Oct Fair day Llanelly
> 16 Oct Monitors now paid. William Thomas 13 paid 1/- a week.
> 2 Nov cholera raging
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Hi Pat
Should be compatible with all Browsers, Maybe you have to set 'Opera' for
use with 'ASP' files, I don't use it so cannot help. I do know all databases
work with Firefox and Mac explorers, so it is possible that 'Opera' is
different
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Powell" <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: [CMN-L] Reply re Pembrokeshire non-conformist indexes
> Hi Pauline
>
> It definietly doesn't work with my normal browser - Opera.
>
> It does work with Internet Explorer so I seems I shall have to use IE
> for this access - for the moment - what a pity.
>
> That might explain why some of the other links do not work - I assumed
> they were not set up yet.
>
>
> Is it a concious intention only to be compatible with IE - or is it
> just accidental?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
> In message <738FAC6D28AE421DA09206DED71F3084@pj2c318df7a574>, UK
> Genealogy <ukgenealogy(a)onvol.net> writes
>>Hi Pat
>>
>>I just went on-line CFHS to look at Pembrokeshire non-conformist indexes
>>and
>>there were 11000+ there, don't look for a parish just click on perform
>>search and it brings them all up........
>>
>>let me know if you can see them now.....
>>
>>the only other info on the burial is the name of the vicar/clerk.........
>>
>>thanks Pauline
>>
>
> --
> Pat Powell
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England is now on the 'Free Genealogy Online' website which is totally
seperate from 'UK Genealogy Online' so you will need another password to
login, use the same one for both.
Regards
Richard
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Powell" <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:09 AM
Subject: [CMN-L] Re England data
> Hi Pauline
>
> Another problem I'm afraid.
>
> When I click on England having logged in succesfully I get a prompt to
> put in my password again and it is rejected!!
>
> I'm puzzled - surely we don't have to register separately with a
> different name and password for the England data and keep on having to
> re-enter passwords as we switch from Wales to England and back again?
>
> I know if I spend too long looking at a page in the Wales section I get
> a prompt to re-login when I select another page to go to - but having a
> second password for England seems even more cumbersome.
>
> Sorry if I sound rather moany!!
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
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Hi David , I only had an hour in the archives today so I only skimmed
through half a book. I'll go back! What made me smile was that the
headmaster logged the fact that he had a headache or felt unwell! At the
beginning of 1867 ( which I haven't listed because I had no time to complete
the year) he writes that many children could not identify everyday objects -
but their first language was Welsh so how would they know the words in
English?
Glad you enjoyed the snippets! Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Davies" <felinfoel71(a)yahoo.com>
To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Five Roads School
>
> This is facinating, does anyone have any idea of the ages when they
> started school. The Mary Jenkins listed as a new pupil could be the
> granddaughter of my Evan Jenkins Gelly Hir, Five Roads, but she was born
> in 1860 in Five Roads so she would have been only 3, seems young.
>
> PS My Aunt Sal Griffiths ( of Gelly Hir House in Five Roads) husband ( Mr
> Griffiths) taught at Five Roads school in the 1950s.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Thomas <Christine(a)thomas7765.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: Carmarthenshire-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:50:28 AM
> Subject: [CMN-L] Five Roads School
>
> 1863
> 4 Aug 1863 school opened with 46 children - described as " very ignorant
> ".
> 5 Aug 4 more children
> 11 Aug 30 more children
> 24 August W. Stone punished for climbing the wall in the dinner hour.
> September - numbers down due to harvest
> 14 September pupils gave 1d to buy coal. A load of coal cost 2/3 plus 1/-
> carriage.
> 26 Oct many children home drawing potatoes. It was noted that the children
> could scarcely write the alphabet and in arithmetic could write figures ,
> but imperfectly.
> 2 november 50 pupils but no coal for fire
> 30 November New pupil mary jenkins
> 24 Dec pupils went in search of holly and evergreens
> 1864
> 1 Feb John Hugh Cilferi agreed to pay for 6 children but only 5 listed -
> John and david Francis , Benjamin phillips , Sarah harris and hannah Hugh.
> 10 Feb peter Skym severely punished for acting indecently towards a girl.
> 4 march low attendance , ploughing match in neighbourhood.
> 9 march punished for mitching : - Wm Evans , wm Hughes, G. Wms and Evan
> Hughes from class1 and John Thomas class2.
> 14 march The monitor was William Thomas. Wm Evans left for boarding school
> .
> 11 may Thomas davies received a black eye after being hit by a ball.
> 12 July Fine weather. absenteeism for haymaking.
> 13 july John Edmunds lost a reading book
> 13 september. Attendance only 17 because of the funeral of hannah Stone
> accidentally killed when thrown off a cart.
> 30 Sept Many absent. fair day Llanelly.
> 3 Oct scarletina raging in neighbourhood
> 8 Oct Load of coal Delivered free by Wm Stone
> 1865
> 25 Jan Deep snow. thermometer 43 degrees
> 15 Feb short of cash. children slow in bringing second penny for winter.
> 16 Feb ran out of coal
> 17 Feb R. Edmonds ordered coal free
> 25 sept Llanelly fair
> 29 Sept Elizabeth Edmunds failed to bring needlework to school. She was
> directed to say that her sister could teach her as well at home as Miss
> Howells could in school.
> 1866
> 26 jan 41 children taken to Atheneum Llanelly to see panorama of America
> 13 march ploughing match
> 6 August Miss Elizabeth Thomas appointed teacher of needlework
> 1 Oct Fair day Llanelly
> 16 Oct Monitors now paid. William Thomas 13 paid 1/- a week.
> 2 Nov cholera raging
> http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info
> http://www.uk-genealogy-online.com
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Hi Pat
All The Indexes, which we add to the databases on UK Genealogy, are infact
in ASP Format, I don't understand why your browser cannot read them, maybe
another mailing list subscribe can assist, these databases should be able to
read by any browser, not to sure what the problem can be, does any other
member have any problem reading these databases?
Regards
Richard
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UK Genealogy Forum:
http://uk-genealogy-online.com/cfhsforum/index.php
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Powell" <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: [CMN-L] Reply re Pembrokeshire non-conformist indexes
> Hi Pauline
>
> It definietly doesn't work with my normal browser - Opera.
>
> It does work with Internet Explorer so I seems I shall have to use IE
> for this access - for the moment - what a pity.
>
> That might explain why some of the other links do not work - I assumed
> they were not set up yet.
>
>
> Is it a concious intention only to be compatible with IE - or is it
> just accidental?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
> In message <738FAC6D28AE421DA09206DED71F3084@pj2c318df7a574>, UK
> Genealogy <ukgenealogy(a)onvol.net> writes
>>Hi Pat
>>
>>I just went on-line CFHS to look at Pembrokeshire non-conformist indexes
>>and
>>there were 11000+ there, don't look for a parish just click on perform
>>search and it brings them all up........
>>
>>let me know if you can see them now.....
>>
>>the only other info on the burial is the name of the vicar/clerk.........
>>
>>thanks Pauline
>>
>
> --
> Pat Powell
> http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info
> http://www.uk-genealogy-online.com
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>
As a postscript to what Pat says, I (and anyone else using a Linux OS)
can't use IE. I have had to date insuperable problems with UK Genealogy
related sites: I can't even sign on for the free parts of the site.
There is some nonsense about setting security to low when signing on -
means absolutely nothing to me, I don't have adjustable security levels!
It also deters me from signing up to the CFHS: am I going to have
similar problems accessing information? - in which case membership is
next to worthless.
Best wishes all
Allen Williams
Sale Cheshire
Pat Powell wrote:
> Hi Pauline
>
> It definietly doesn't work with my normal browser - Opera.
>
> It does work with Internet Explorer so I seems I shall have to use IE
> for this access - for the moment - what a pity.
>
> That might explain why some of the other links do not work - I assumed
> they were not set up yet.
>
>
> Is it a concious intention only to be compatible with IE - or is it
> just accidental?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
> In message <738FAC6D28AE421DA09206DED71F3084@pj2c318df7a574>, UK
> Genealogy <ukgenealogy(a)onvol.net> writes
>
>> Hi Pat
>>
>> I just went on-line CFHS to look at Pembrokeshire non-conformist indexes and
>> there were 11000+ there, don't look for a parish just click on perform
>> search and it brings them all up........
>>
>> let me know if you can see them now.....
>>
>> the only other info on the burial is the name of the vicar/clerk.........
>>
>> thanks Pauline
>>
>>
>
>
Hi Chris
This is fascinating insight. Where did you get them from? Do you have any
more? I have Stones and Edmunds in my family line from the Five Roads area,
so some are undoubtedly related in some way or another (or should I admit to
this reading some of entries!).
The entry in 1865 "29 Sept Elizabeth Edmunds failed to bring needlework to
school. She was directed to say that her sister could teach her as well at
home as Miss Howells could in school." is interesting as I have an Elizabeth
Edmunds (b. abt 1852) in my tree who was the younger sister of Sarah Edmunds
(my second great grandmother, born 1844), parents of both were Richard
Edmunds and Margaret (nee Griffiths) of Caerbygin Farm. I know Sarah was
good at needle point as my Uncle has one she did when I think she was around
12 (I need to find out more details)! So perhaps this was the sister that
was mentioned (it would be nice to think so anyway!)
Roy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Thomas" <Christine(a)thomas7765.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <Carmarthenshire-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: [CMN-L] Five Roads School
> 1863
> 4 Aug 1863 school opened with 46 children - described as " very ignorant
> ".
> 5 Aug 4 more children
> 11 Aug 30 more children
> 24 August W. Stone punished for climbing the wall in the dinner hour.
> September - numbers down due to harvest
> 14 September pupils gave 1d to buy coal. A load of coal cost 2/3 plus 1/-
> carriage.
> 26 Oct many children home drawing potatoes. It was noted that the children
> could scarcely write the alphabet and in arithmetic could write figures ,
> but imperfectly.
> 2 november 50 pupils but no coal for fire
> 30 November New pupil mary jenkins
> 24 Dec pupils went in search of holly and evergreens
> 1864
> 1 Feb John Hugh Cilferi agreed to pay for 6 children but only 5 listed -
> John and david Francis , Benjamin phillips , Sarah harris and hannah Hugh.
> 10 Feb peter Skym severely punished for acting indecently towards a girl.
> 4 march low attendance , ploughing match in neighbourhood.
> 9 march punished for mitching : - Wm Evans , wm Hughes, G. Wms and Evan
> Hughes from class1 and John Thomas class2.
> 14 march The monitor was William Thomas. Wm Evans left for boarding school
> .
> 11 may Thomas davies received a black eye after being hit by a ball.
> 12 July Fine weather. absenteeism for haymaking.
> 13 july John Edmunds lost a reading book
> 13 september. Attendance only 17 because of the funeral of hannah Stone
> accidentally killed when thrown off a cart.
> 30 Sept Many absent. fair day Llanelly.
> 3 Oct scarletina raging in neighbourhood
> 8 Oct Load of coal Delivered free by Wm Stone
> 1865
> 25 Jan Deep snow. thermometer 43 degrees
> 15 Feb short of cash. children slow in bringing second penny for winter.
> 16 Feb ran out of coal
> 17 Feb R. Edmonds ordered coal free
> 25 sept Llanelly fair
> 29 Sept Elizabeth Edmunds failed to bring needlework to school. She was
> directed to say that her sister could teach her as well at home as Miss
> Howells could in school.
> 1866
> 26 jan 41 children taken to Atheneum Llanelly to see panorama of America
> 13 march ploughing match
> 6 August Miss Elizabeth Thomas appointed teacher of needlework
> 1 Oct Fair day Llanelly
> 16 Oct Monitors now paid. William Thomas 13 paid 1/- a week.
> 2 Nov cholera raging
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> http://www.uk-genealogy-online.com
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1863
4 Aug 1863 school opened with 46 children - described as " very ignorant ".
5 Aug 4 more children
11 Aug 30 more children
24 August W. Stone punished for climbing the wall in the dinner hour.
September - numbers down due to harvest
14 September pupils gave 1d to buy coal. A load of coal cost 2/3 plus 1/- carriage.
26 Oct many children home drawing potatoes. It was noted that the children could scarcely write the alphabet and in arithmetic could write figures , but imperfectly.
2 november 50 pupils but no coal for fire
30 November New pupil mary jenkins
24 Dec pupils went in search of holly and evergreens
1864
1 Feb John Hugh Cilferi agreed to pay for 6 children but only 5 listed - John and david Francis , Benjamin phillips , Sarah harris and hannah Hugh.
10 Feb peter Skym severely punished for acting indecently towards a girl.
4 march low attendance , ploughing match in neighbourhood.
9 march punished for mitching : - Wm Evans , wm Hughes, G. Wms and Evan Hughes from class1 and John Thomas class2.
14 march The monitor was William Thomas. Wm Evans left for boarding school .
11 may Thomas davies received a black eye after being hit by a ball.
12 July Fine weather. absenteeism for haymaking.
13 july John Edmunds lost a reading book
13 september. Attendance only 17 because of the funeral of hannah Stone accidentally killed when thrown off a cart.
30 Sept Many absent. fair day Llanelly.
3 Oct scarletina raging in neighbourhood
8 Oct Load of coal Delivered free by Wm Stone
1865
25 Jan Deep snow. thermometer 43 degrees
15 Feb short of cash. children slow in bringing second penny for winter.
16 Feb ran out of coal
17 Feb R. Edmonds ordered coal free
25 sept Llanelly fair
29 Sept Elizabeth Edmunds failed to bring needlework to school. She was directed to say that her sister could teach her as well at home as Miss Howells could in school.
1866
26 jan 41 children taken to Atheneum Llanelly to see panorama of America
13 march ploughing match
6 August Miss Elizabeth Thomas appointed teacher of needlework
1 Oct Fair day Llanelly
16 Oct Monitors now paid. William Thomas 13 paid 1/- a week.
2 Nov cholera raging