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Hi Pauline,
The residence at time of marriage for Benjamin was put down as "Tynant"?????
Father - Thos Davies,
Profession/Rank - Pencarreg.
Regards
Helen
Hi Pauline,
Thank you for your reply. Firstly, I am not sure what trade Thomas did, it
doesn't mention on the marriage certificate. With regards to Llanybyther, I
was thinking out of the box, because searches had been done
in Pencarreg to no avail. The marriage took place on 17th November, 1843 in
the Parish Church of Caio(Cayo) Carmathernshire (Established Church). Both
of full age. His wife (Mary Jones) came from that area. Even the witnesses
do not help me, put down as Thomas Davies (I assume father of Benjamin) and
Henry Harries (could have been that infamous Wizard - or was that Harry
Potter!).
With regards to Census returns, I can find Benjamin from 1891-1851 always in
area of Caio. 1851 living with his in-laws at Tynycoed (which may be nearer
CwrtyCadno/Ffarmers was). But I cannot find previous to his marriage 1843,
on 1841 census. He could've been in Caio area or still in Pencarreg.
I hope this info might help. Thank you again for your offer of help.
Regards
Helen
Hi,
I was wondering if someone might have a trade directory for around 1821 for
Pencarreg. You may be able
to point me in the right direction.
I am trying to trace an ancestor, Benjamin Davies, whose father's name was
put on his marriage certificate,
as Thomas Davies, Pencarreg. On census returns, Benjamin always put down
born Pencarreg.
His father did not put down a profession on the marriage certificate, only
"Pencarreg". However, Benjamin was an arg.labourer and I think therefore his
father was also. I made a search through Family Search (LDS) and the only
Benjamin Davies with father Thomas I could find was one born 1819 (which is
about right) in Llanybyther which looking on a map, is close by to Pencarreg. I
therefore assume perhaps it was Llanybyther where he was born and not
Pencarreg. The reason for this is that 2 searches have been made at Pencarreg
Parish Records and Archives and no Benjamin Davies listed. I have copies of
Carmarthenshire CDs for 1841 of that area and although found about 4 Thomas
Davies's, I don't know which one because Benjamin was not there - I can't find him
previous to his marriage.
Therefore looking for trade directory to see if father and son mentioned.
Year about 1821 and 1831. Benjamin was born circa 1819/1820.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Regards
Helen
Hi Steve,
Are G? Grandparents John James and Sarah Saer who lived at Hareshead
Laugharne, were married at Laugharne Church, but most of their children were
christened and buried at Bethlehem Independent Congregational. Pwll Trap, St. Clears.
>From where they lived at HaresHead would there be a shorter way of getting
there than going into Laugharne then on to St. Clears? A long way to walk
though, I've been told people traveled that far.
Thanks
Julia
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Hi All.
Pauline Sandie and Steve,
Thanks for the info on where Hareshead is in Laugharne,
I've spent 2 nights studying a lot of different maps on the Internet but not
what I'm really looking for.
I have a Collins Road Atlas of Britain 1994,
I was wondering if anyone knew of a better map to have of the
Laugharne/Carmarthenshire area for doing Genealogy,
perhaps an Ordnance Survey Map? would that name more places?
Thanks
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I have just received the birth certificate of my ancestor, Jason Hitchin and
I am having difficulty in reading the name of the town, village etc where he
was born. Could someone please help me with this? The place is in the Parish
of Llandowror. The place looks like "Lallarnland". The name definately
starts with an L and ends with land. Any help appreciated.
Thanks
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Brilliant Pauline,
Certainly looks as if you may have found him. Thank you.
That would give John Thomas' birth at around 1782 which ties in nicely with
the age of his wife Elizabeth Davis.
BTW for Sarah.
According to census records Rees Lewis was born about
1813 in Llandebie. He was a carpenter by trade and the family moved from
Llandybie to Llandilofawr by 1881.
Hi Debbie
I only have Llandybie baptisms from 1813-1875....the burials from
1813-1851.....I cannot see a relevant John Thomas being buried in the parish
church.......do you have the full baptisms from Carmarthen record office,
they would give you the abode and occupation.........? The month I have for
Lydia is July 19th not January.....
Do you have Elizabeth in 1841?
Llandybie 1841 district 4
Drusgol
Elizabeth Thomas 60 Ind born in county yes
Thomas Jones 40 schoolmaster
Elizabeth Roberts 4
Thomas and Elizabeth are still with her in 1851.........
The marriage took place
Llandybie parish church 2nd June 1809
John Thomas and Elizabeth Davies
is this the one you have.......so the first child should be born soon
after.......
let me know Pauline
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From: "wkd" <wkdbee(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: [CMN-L] Family of John Thomas and Elizabeth Davis Llandebie
> Hi Pauline,
>
> You were kind enough to try to help me a few months back with regards to
> Lydia Thomas the daughter of John Thomas and Elizabeth.
> I know there was some confusion at the time as there were 2 John and
> Elizabeth Thomas's
> I now know that I am dealing with Elizabeth Davis as the Mother.
> The children that I definitely know of are
> Harriet Thomas bap 13 Mar 1812, Llandebie married David Morgans 24 Mar
> 1837 llandybie when they moved to Llanelli and ran the Castle Inn pub,
> Lydia Thomas bap Jan 1816 Llandebie, married Thomas Barnes 27 Jan 1836
> Llandebie. Then they moved to Newport, S,Wales.
> Jane Thomas bap 25 May 1814 Llandebie, married Rees Lewis 23 Dec 1836
> Llandebie where I believe they remained.
>
> I believe John Thomas died before 1841. His wife Elizabeth Thomas nee
> Davis was still living in Llandebie in 1851 where her occupation was
> farmer of 3 acres and Midwife. Address Dryscol Cottage Her birth is given
> at about 1781 Landovery.
>
> I was wondering if there were baptisms of any other children to this
> couple between 1805 and 1812. I am particularly interested to know if
> there was a John Thomas who I believe might have moved to farm in
> Herefordshire.
>
> Thanks for your time
> Debbie
>
>
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Hi Pauline,
You were kind enough to try to help me a few months back with regards to Lydia Thomas the daughter of John Thomas and Elizabeth.
I know there was some confusion at the time as there were 2 John and Elizabeth Thomas's
I now know that I am dealing with Elizabeth Davis as the Mother.
The children that I definitely know of are
Harriet Thomas bap 13 Mar 1812, Llandebie married David Morgans 24 Mar 1837 llandybie when they moved to Llanelli and ran the Castle Inn pub,
Lydia Thomas bap Jan 1816 Llandebie, married Thomas Barnes 27 Jan 1836 Llandebie. Then they moved to Newport, S,Wales.
Jane Thomas bap 25 May 1814 Llandebie, married Rees Lewis 23 Dec 1836 Llandebie where I believe they remained.
I believe John Thomas died before 1841. His wife Elizabeth Thomas nee Davis was still living in Llandebie in 1851 where her occupation was farmer of 3 acres and Midwife. Address Dryscol Cottage Her birth is given at about 1781 Landovery.
I was wondering if there were baptisms of any other children to this couple between 1805 and 1812. I am particularly interested to know if there was a John Thomas who I believe might have moved to farm in Herefordshire.
Thanks for your time
Debbie
My grgrgrgrandfather Joseph Lewis's second wife was a Mary Davies. They
had a son Rees but I do not know a birth date. Sarah Rierson
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:40 AM
Subject: [CMN-L] Family of John Thomas and Elizabeth Davis Llandebie
> Hi Pauline,
>
> You were kind enough to try to help me a few months back with regards to
> Lydia Thomas the daughter of John Thomas and Elizabeth.
> I know there was some confusion at the time as there were 2 John and
> Elizabeth Thomas's
> I now know that I am dealing with Elizabeth Davis as the Mother.
> The children that I definitely know of are
> Harriet Thomas bap 13 Mar 1812, Llandebie married David Morgans 24 Mar
> 1837 llandybie when they moved to Llanelli and ran the Castle Inn pub,
> Lydia Thomas bap Jan 1816 Llandebie, married Thomas Barnes 27 Jan 1836
> Llandebie. Then they moved to Newport, S,Wales.
> Jane Thomas bap 25 May 1814 Llandebie, married Rees Lewis 23 Dec 1836
> Llandebie where I believe they remained.
>
> I believe John Thomas died before 1841. His wife Elizabeth Thomas nee
> Davis was still living in Llandebie in 1851 where her occupation was
> farmer of 3 acres and Midwife. Address Dryscol Cottage Her birth is given
> at about 1781 Landovery.
>
> I was wondering if there were baptisms of any other children to this
> couple between 1805 and 1812. I am particularly interested to know if
> there was a John Thomas who I believe might have moved to farm in
> Herefordshire.
>
> Thanks for your time
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
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Hi Pauline,
Well it was just general information really. My best link is obviously my great grandfather John Williams 1857 the youngest deacon appointed at Adulam. I wondered if they had any papers relating to Adulam or such! This John Williams was orphaned at 10 years old when his father JW 1834 died of cholera in 1866 aged 31.
I have been thinking about orphans in the mid 1800's. It is bad enough these days with all the social structure of support but then......... It must have been a terrible thing for your parents to be dead before you are 6 years old. I know the families took them in as in my great x 2 grandfather's case but still it must have been awful and it happened so often.
Diana
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From: Pauline James
To: Little Warren Farm
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Llanelli historical society
Hi Diana
They do not do indexes etc....the one with the indexes online is ours.......they only have meetings etc. What are you after?
Pauline
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From: Little Warren Farm
To: pauline james
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Llanelli historical society
Good morning Pauline
I wondered if you belonged to the Llanelli historical society? Do you know if it would be a good idea to join - i.e. do they do any ancestry?
thanks
Diana
Hi again Pauline,
I was just googling John Williams deacon of Adulam Chapel and came up with a John Williams 1827 Pantachddy......... when I clicked on it I could not find anything. In the title it said Genuki Pembrey.
Any ideas?
thanks
Diana
Dear Malcom,
Thank you for finding that for me. How lovely to have the reference to
you!!
Now I am trying to get my head around a date for David Williams and could
it possibly be the one that was the youngest son of Thomas Williams and
Diana nee Griffiths. In the will of Thomas Williams dated 1823 he was
left the Sloop Amity. There is reference to this sloop sinking in the
channel (not sure if that would be the Bristol or English) in 1833 in the
Cambrian Index.
This though could be the same family of Williams with David being the son of
someone
else. This is the problem with my Williams family - loads of children in
each generation of the whole family and they all call their children by the
same
names. I am even getting the parents still having children whilst their
older children are married and having children and naming them the same!!
Then to make matters worse they don't baptise their children as infants.
Complicated!
Do you happen to know if it is the same Joshua Griffiths c1771 (who married
Ann Williams) who was killed at the age of 49 by a bull on the 20th August
1820?
I am sure you have seen the appendix to the April 1847 Statement where it
mentions several Williams who are on the Corporate Council.
Thank you again
Diana nee Williams
I am copying this to Cmn-L in case it rings a bell for someone else!
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CMN-FHS] [CMN-L] Tom Beynon
> Diana
> The reference to the Williams family is found at the bottom of page 91 of
> "Allt Cunedda , Llechdwnni a Mwdlwscwm" by Tom Beynon. Its under
> additional
> notes (in Welsh of course). He states that David Williams of Maes
> Gwenllian,
> great grandfather of David Griffiths of the Glyn (Abbey) was mayor of
> Cydweli
> in 1852.
> Not much but every little helps I suppose.
> As Ann Williams (who married Joshua Griffiths) was the grandmother of
> David
> Griffiths then I presume David Williams was her father.
> This info it seems came from the Llanelli Mercury Sept 16th and 30th
> 1948.
> A few lines above the additional notes can be seen a reference to a
> certain
> little baby named Malcolm Davies, yes, me.
> Malcolm
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Hi Pauline,
No, I still didn't find John or his daughter Jane after the 1871
census.
Regards,
Ron
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Margaret Rees, b May 27,1848
> Hi Ron
>
> I can check the baptisms and burials for those dates, but not the
> marriages,
> I only have to 1848 if I remember correctly.......we know the parents were
> of the parish church, so if she married would probably have done so to.
>
> I am unsure if CRO charge for lookups now, but you could ask them for a
> quick look up to see if they have her?
>
> Did you find John Rees' death or burial??
>
> Pauline
>
>
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> From: "Ronald Rees" <rdrees(a)verizon.net>
> To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:40 AM
> Subject: [CMN-L] Margaret Rees, b May 27,1848
>
>
>> Hi Pauline,
>> I'm still trying to find a few missing Reeses. Margaret doesn't
>> appear
>> after the 1861 census. She would have been 18 in 1966, I think you had to
>> be 18 to get married. Could you please check the records of St. Teilo's
>> Church in Llandielo Fawr to see if a Margaret Rees, daughter of Jane and
>> John Rees got married in 1866 or 1867
>> Thank You,
>> Ron Rees
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Diana...They came from Llanfairarbryn, Rhandirmyrn area.and were Calvanistic
Methodists. However GG. Grandfather Wm. Williams b. ca.1800 died ca 1846
came to area to work as leadminer and from where he came from has been an
ongoing quest of mine...Take care..Bill
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Hi Ron
I can check the baptisms and burials for those dates, but not the marriages,
I only have to 1848 if I remember correctly.......we know the parents were
of the parish church, so if she married would probably have done so to.
I am unsure if CRO charge for lookups now, but you could ask them for a
quick look up to see if they have her?
Did you find John Rees' death or burial??
Pauline
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:40 AM
Subject: [CMN-L] Margaret Rees, b May 27,1848
> Hi Pauline,
> I'm still trying to find a few missing Reeses. Margaret doesn't appear
> after the 1861 census. She would have been 18 in 1966, I think you had to
> be 18 to get married. Could you please check the records of St. Teilo's
> Church in Llandielo Fawr to see if a Margaret Rees, daughter of Jane and
> John Rees got married in 1866 or 1867
> Thank You,
> Ron Rees
>
>
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Dear Pauline and list,
I wonder if anyone has a book by Y Parch Tom Beynon. Malcolm told me that it contains information on Ann Williams of Kidwelly born c 1817. She married Joshua c 1812 in Kidwelly on the 19th October 1835.
with thanks
Diana nee Williams!
Hi Pauline,
I'm still trying to find a few missing Reeses. Margaret doesn't appear after the 1861 census. She would have been 18 in 1966, I think you had to be 18 to get married. Could you please check the records of St. Teilo's Church in Llandielo Fawr to see if a Margaret Rees, daughter of Jane and John Rees got married in 1866 or 1867
Thank You,
Ron Rees
Google has revealed all. See what else you can find. I think it's an old map
sort of a question. This was in the Carmarthernshire fhs archives for May
2002:
Enjoy.
Regards
Sandie
I am sure you will remember that we found four baptisms in the Eglwys
> registers. listing children of George and Margaret John of Hares head (
> spelt differently each time):
> John John, Apr 25, 1773
> George John, Jun 30, 1776
> Susanna John, May 16/18, 1779
> Ann John, Jun 30, 1782.
> I mailed the all-wise Peter Wihl and have just had a reply. Hares head is
> not marked on the current O.S. map that I have,but there is a spot height,
> which he mentioned, of 155m, or 470 ft in old money. The grid reference he
> gave pinpointed the end of the drive to Castell Toch, which is halfway
> between Cwmbrwyn and Three Lords, where Rees John and his family lived and
> worked. I have just 'phoned the present owners of Cwmbrwyn, who say that
> there is a house on the drive going up to Castell Toch, though the name
> Hares Head does not ring a bell. The only slightly curious thing is that
> Peter Wihl says it is in the Parish of Llandowror, but this might be on
the
> border between Laugharne and Llandowror. I have just found it, on the 1851
> CD, where it appears, next to Three Lords, as "Harshead", with James,
Beynon
> and Lewises. I cannot find any trace of any of these places in 1841,
> perhaps because I have an abridged edition of some Johns only, or perhaps
> they were then in Llandowror? Have you a trace of Three Lords, Hareshead,
> Cwmbrwyn or Castell Toch on the1841 census? Best wishes, Oliver
Hello Oliver
Hares Head is in the 1891 census in Laugharne parish between Castle Toch and
Danyrallt.
Coincidentally here is a Little Hare's Head and a Big Hare's Head in Wiston
parish in Pembrokeshire.
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