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I am wondering whether it is possible to look up Llanybydder burials or deaths for Evan Davies or Davis between 1856 and 1861.i have no further information on himexcpt that he died during this period and lived in the area.
many thanks
david
Hi Jane - that is ok - I was transcribing anyway so it was no trouble. The
ones I gave you were the only ones with a William in the family so it may be
a relation maybe time will tell.
with best wishes
Diana
Hello Diana,
Thank you for your early reply. Somehow,
I was hoping that the 1841 census of Llanelly might provide the names of
WILLIAM EDWARDS' parents. But, as I think about it now, I realize there
would be no way of determining who his parents were, from the census.
I apologize if I caused you excessive searching - I guess in our
eagerness to learn more about our families, we don't
always think as clearly as we should.
(At least this applies to me in this case.)
Again, I am sorry about this and will try to think things out before I
make any future
requests.
Many thanks, again.
Best regards,
Jane in Cal.
Hi Anna
Have you seen this marriage?
1802 26th December St Peters Carmarthen
Thomas Thomas and Margaret Prosser
could be a start ........perhaps the children were not baptised with the
middle name Prosser but adopted it at a later stage........that is what my
own grandfather done because his name was David Thomas to distinguish
himself from all the other Dai's in the Llanelly area!!
Pauline
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: <AnnaDinahThomas(a)aol.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] quiet list
> Hi Pauline
>
> I have the name Daniel Thomas from a lady who's trying to find out about a
> Dr E M Prosser Thomas. I searched the Pigots Directory for 1830 looking
> for
> Thomas and found a Daniel Thomas who appeared to work at Prosser's
> Warehouse
> in Lammas Street. I also found Prosser & Son in the same street. My
> husband's grandfather Tom Prosser Thomas was shown as living in Tenby at
> the time of
> his marriage in 1915. His father was given as William Prosser Thomas,
> engineer. The closest I've come to a William Prosser Thomas, engineer is
> a son
> living with his father Thomas Thomas, tailor. William and one of his
> siblings
> is shown as engineers. This family were living in Green, St Mary's
> Pembroke.
> I've been unable to trace William beyond 1881 and Tom from before his
> marriage in Cornwall. I know there were members of Tom Prosser Thomas's
> family
> living in Ystalyfera, Glamorgan . When I saw Thomas and Prosser in
> Lammas
> Street it occurrred to me that perhaps the Prosser Thomas could have come
> about
> through marriage. It could equally be, I suppose one branch of the
> family
> dropping the 'Prosser'.
>
> This is proving more difficult than my great grandfather John Davies!
>
> Regards
> Anna
>
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Hello Jane - thanks for the email. I thought you had said that William
Edwards was in Llanelly in 1841 - no wonder I couldn't find him. There
are a few Edward/s families there but I did not take any notice of any that
were not William Edwards. Which Edward/s do you want to find in Llanelly
in 1841?
with best wishes
Diana
Hi Pauline
Thanks for that. It gives me something to look for. If I can find a
William and connect the family to Carmarthenshire then this would make things
easier as it's where my own earlier research is. This would give impetus to the
idea of a holiday in Carmarthen where I could attempt to kill two birds with
one stone!
I hadn't thought of dropping a name to distinguish one very common family
surname from another!
Anna
Can anyone advise me on where to get Army information i.e.Regiment or list
of personnel. I have discovered some relatives were based in Newport in 1850
and dont seem to be able to get any further
regards
Marie
Thanks very much for your help Pauline it is really interesting.
I need to find the parents of a William POWELL who was born in 1828 and
migrated to Tasmania around 1840-1850. I was always told he was the son of
the murdered William POWELL but this can't be so as there is a 58 year gap.
I am not sure where to search next.
Thanks
Lyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
> Found this under Glanarth.....according to the murder write up William
> Powell was a gentleman.....extract from Carmarthenshire Homes and Their
> Families....
>
> .................Much later in 1758 William Powell gent, natural son of
> William Powell of Llanerch Bledri married Catherine daughter of John Bowen
> of Gurrey near Llandeilo. His putative father left him all his estate;
> and after a while he left Llanerch Bledri and settled at Glanareth. He
> was murdered in his parlour in 1770. The widow later married Cyprian
> Randeau Bunce of Canterbury, but was again a widow in 1783, then living in
> Hereford. William Powell left two daughters and coheirs - Catherine who in
> 1777 married John Lucas of Stouthall, Glamorgan, and Anne. It was after
> the murder of 1770 that Glanareth mansion was abondoned. In 1841
> Glanareth farm was ownd by one John Samuel with William Griffiths as
> tenant.
>
> Hope this helps......Pauline
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor(a)esat.net.au>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>
>
>> Yes Pauline that sounds like them.
>>
>> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales
>> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales
>> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales
>> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales
>> I found this on the IGI
>>
>> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place
>> Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire
>> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL.
>>
>> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here.
>>
>> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the
>> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of
>> William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Lyn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>>
>>
>>> Hi Lyn
>>>
>>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a
>>> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is
>>> this them?
>>>
>>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms
>>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr
>>>
>>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need
>>> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly
>>> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813.
>>>
>>> Pauline
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor(a)esat.net.au>
>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM
>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Everyone
>>>>
>>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he
>>>> is an ancestor of mine.
>>>>
>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS
>>>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never
>>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL,
>>>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's.
>>>>
>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated
>>>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation
>>>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the
>>>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years.
>>>>
>>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a
>>>> daughter Anne born about 1754.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn Taylor
>>>> Western Australia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Pauli
The story in the family is that William WILLIAMS claimed to be an
illigitimate son and so wanted to inherit the Powell fortune. Another story
I read is that WILLIAMS wanted POWELLS wife.
I don'tknow anything about a letter of administration .
Yjanks
Lyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
> Lyn
>
> Could be them as Bethlehem is either in Llangadog or Llanddeusant
> neighbouring parishes of Llandeilo fawr....Glanareth could be the name of
> a property......do you know why he was murdered.......what account was
> given on it, may be a few little clues there. Was there a letter of
> administation after his death do you know?
>
> The IGI only contains the bishops transcripts not the actual parish
> registers, some are even donated by relatives, in that instance the
> infomation is guesswork.....
>
> I will see if I can see Catherine/Katherine Bowen's baptism in Llandeilo
> fawr......
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor(a)esat.net.au>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>
>
>> Yes Pauline that sounds like them.
>>
>> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales
>> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales
>> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales
>> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales
>> I found this on the IGI
>>
>> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place
>> Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire
>> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL.
>>
>> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here.
>>
>> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the
>> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of
>> William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Lyn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>>
>>
>>> Hi Lyn
>>>
>>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a
>>> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is
>>> this them?
>>>
>>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms
>>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr
>>>
>>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need
>>> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly
>>> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813.
>>>
>>> Pauline
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor(a)esat.net.au>
>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM
>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Everyone
>>>>
>>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he
>>>> is an ancestor of mine.
>>>>
>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS
>>>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never
>>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL,
>>>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's.
>>>>
>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated
>>>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation
>>>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the
>>>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years.
>>>>
>>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a
>>>> daughter Anne born about 1754.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn Taylor
>>>> Western Australia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Hi Ken
You do know pre 1837 that there are no fathers names or occupation on the
marriage entries.........you would have to obtain that marriage from Swansea
Record Office in Oystermouth, not the registry office as registration did
not begin until June 1837......
Being as you state she said she was from Llangyfelach I would favour that
one too.......Llanrhidian is in the Gower peninsular.
Perhaps the baptism I found was not your John Robert/s, it was the only one
I came across for that period......do you have him in 1861
census.....perhaps he gave a different age.....
Whilst indexing St Peters Carmarthen I have come across entries where the
father and mother are the same for a few children but still not
married.....I always index in both fathers surname and mothers surname in
case the child took either name.......it is surprising how many children
were born out of wedlock......the Militia were in Carmarthen at the time I
am indexing 1816/1817 quite a few of the Militiamen are fathering
illigitmate children, wonder what happened to the mother and child when they
had to return to where-ever with the militia.......the local surgeon is also
fathering illig children too........
Constant Cellan.....unsure about that, according to my info Cellan is in
Cardiganshire.......perhaps someone else knows who knows the area?
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "ken roberts" <drdl16403(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: [Cmn-L] John ROBERTS
> Hi Pauline
>
> Thank you very much, It has given me a lot to ponder on. It is most
> unfortunate that both the John ROBERTS married a Catherine MORGAN, I
> rather like the marriage in Llangefelach, I'll send for the marriage cert.
>
> I'll let you know how I get on
>
> John ROBERTS was a collier in Glamorgan, but as he migrated from
> Carmarthenshire he could have quite easily have been an Ag Lab. I have
> felt for some time that John did not move to Glamorgan alone, because in
> the Swansea area there are a number of Roberts families (as yet
> unconnected with mine, I have all his children and grandchildren accounted
> for), yet these families have very similar Christian names with an age
> group that could make them cousins, so I have been looking for a brother
> for John, but if he is illegitimate that closes that line.
>
>
> One other problem that has plagued me for some time is CONSTANT CELLAN,
> this is shown on a birth cert of 1855 (where born), I am aware of the
> CELLAN part, but where is Constant, Reg district : Lampeter, Sub district:
> Pencarreg, in the county of Cardigan and Carmarthen.
>
> I have looked on many maps, It doesn't look as though it is a village, so
> must be a dwelling (farm, institute, hospital ?)
>
> regards
>
> ken
>
> Stourbridge
>
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Hi Pauline
Thanks again for the info.
In 1861 Catherine ROBERTS (Head) was a widow.
I had overlooked the lack of occupation pre 1837.
I have the Swansea RO details, I have found them very helpful.
regards
Ken
Hi Anna
i looked in the book' Story of Carmarthen' but it was not listed there
........what info do you have and what do you want to know......
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: <AnnaDinahThomas(a)aol.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [Cmn-L] quiet list
> Hi Pauline
>
> Do you know anything about Prosser & Son of Lammas Street, Carmarthen? I
> found a Daniel Thomas connected to Prosser's Warehouse and Prosser & Son
> in the
> 1830 Pigots Directory. I was wondering if this is where my elusive
> Prosser/Thomas link comes in.
>
> TIA
> Anna
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Hi Ken
I was just going to ask that question.....
They did not marry in Carmarthenshire, I have two possible ones in
Glamorganshire....
1820 8th Feb Llangyfelach parish church
John Roberts parish Llansamlet and Catherine Morgan Llangyfelach
1824 24 Nov Llanrhidian parish church
John Roberts parish Loughor and Catherine Morgan Llanrhidian.
I looked in Llandeilo fawr baptisms I found one but looks like he was
illigitimate....
1798 December 2nd Llandeilo fawr
John reputed of John Robert by Elizabeth Griffith
think it was John or Johnathan as it was abreviated to Jno.....
When you become a member you will have access to the online indexes that we
have prepared for 2006.........we also have a list like this but for members
only, and it is busier than this one.......so you can look for information
yourself from many sources....
let me know what you think of the above....
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "ken roberts" <drdl16403(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: [Cmn-L] Quiet list
> Hi Pauline
>
> I should have added that all of John ROBERTS's children were born in
> Swansea, the eldest being William b.1826.
>
>
> regards
>
> ken
>
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Hi Pauline
Thank you very much, It has given me a lot to ponder on. It is most
unfortunate that both the John ROBERTS married a Catherine MORGAN, I rather
like the marriage in Llangefelach, I'll send for the marriage cert.
I'll let you know how I get on
John ROBERTS was a collier in Glamorgan, but as he migrated from
Carmarthenshire he could have quite easily have been an Ag Lab. I have felt
for some time that John did not move to Glamorgan alone, because in the
Swansea area there are a number of Roberts families (as yet unconnected with
mine, I have all his children and grandchildren accounted for), yet these
families have very similar Christian names with an age group that could make
them cousins, so I have been looking for a brother for John, but if he is
illegitimate that closes that line.
One other problem that has plagued me for some time is CONSTANT CELLAN, this
is shown on a birth cert of 1855 (where born), I am aware of the CELLAN
part, but where is Constant, Reg district : Lampeter, Sub district:
Pencarreg, in the county of Cardigan and Carmarthen.
I have looked on many maps, It doesn't look as though it is a village, so
must be a dwelling (farm, institute, hospital ?)
regards
ken
Stourbridge
Hi Pat
firstly yes, Llangan has arrived, sorry did not tell you......
Welcome back after two weeks away, hope you had a nice time....
Saw an email from you here yesterday re William Powell........can see one
from you now on the members pages too.....
The lists are not very busy at the moment, no idea why ...perhaps no-one is
doing family history at the moment, I know hundreds are subscribed....but do
not seem to have any questions, or anything to share with us...
welcome back Pat......Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Powell" <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: [Cmn-L] To the list and for Pauline
> Hello Listers
>
> I have been off the list mostly for the last 2 weeks - just to let you
> know I am back in circulation again!!!
>
> If any of you are waiting replies from me could you please send to me
> again.
>
> I have sent some e-mails testerday and today but not received any
> replies so I'm hoping you are all "hearing me"
>
> Pauline - did you get the 1841 Llangan that I sent last night?
>
> I'm not chasing a reply - just making sure it arrived OK - if not I can
> send it again.
>
> Bye for now
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> --
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Hi Pauline
I am new to the Carmarthen list, though I have been lurking, but before
asking for help I was waiting until I became a member in October, I have
found that new members to a FHS get an awful lot of information that allows
them to work out their problems for themselves, and that's where the fun is
(isn't it ?).
All my closer ROBERTS ancestors were from Glamorgan but I am now getting
into Carmarthen.
I am trying to find a John Roberts c. 1799 Llandeilo married to a Catherine
b. 1796 Llangafelach, the 1841 census shows he was living in Weig Village
Swansea age 40, the 51 census gives age 52. his children were William, John,
David, Daniel, Griffiths, Catherine and Thomas.
So my first problem in Carmarthen is to find his parents, birth cert and
marriage cert.
I have other ancestors from Carmarthenshire, but they will keep for another
day.
regards
ken roberts
Hello Listers
I have been off the list mostly for the last 2 weeks - just to let you
know I am back in circulation again!!!
If any of you are waiting replies from me could you please send to me
again.
I have sent some e-mails testerday and today but not received any
replies so I'm hoping you are all "hearing me"
Pauline - did you get the 1841 Llangan that I sent last night?
I'm not chasing a reply - just making sure it arrived OK - if not I can
send it again.
Bye for now
Pat
--
Pat Powell
Lyn
Looked for William Powell from 1826 to 1830 could not see him there...
William Powell was murdered 1770 so he could not be his father.......the
book said that he only had 2 daughters.....
What information do you have for us to help you......give us what you have
.....it does make searching easier if we know who to look for..
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
> Hi Lyn
>
> Do you know where he would have been baptised......do you think Llandeilo
> fawr? If so I can look there Pauline
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor(a)esat.net.au>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>
>
>> Thanks very much for your help Pauline it is really interesting.
>>
>> I need to find the parents of a William POWELL who was born in 1828 and
>> migrated to Tasmania around 1840-1850. I was always told he was the son
>> of the murdered William POWELL but this can't be so as there is a 58 year
>> gap.
>>
>> I am not sure where to search next.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Lyn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>>
>>
>>> Found this under Glanarth.....according to the murder write up William
>>> Powell was a gentleman.....extract from Carmarthenshire Homes and Their
>>> Families....
>>>
>>> .................Much later in 1758 William Powell gent, natural son of
>>> William Powell of Llanerch Bledri married Catherine daughter of John
>>> Bowen of Gurrey near Llandeilo. His putative father left him all his
>>> estate; and after a while he left Llanerch Bledri and settled at
>>> Glanareth. He was murdered in his parlour in 1770. The widow later
>>> married Cyprian Randeau Bunce of Canterbury, but was again a widow in
>>> 1783, then living in Hereford. William Powell left two daughters and
>>> coheirs - Catherine who in 1777 married John Lucas of Stouthall,
>>> Glamorgan, and Anne. It was after the murder of 1770 that Glanareth
>>> mansion was abondoned. In 1841 Glanareth farm was ownd by one John
>>> Samuel with William Griffiths as tenant.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps......Pauline
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor(a)esat.net.au>
>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes Pauline that sounds like them.
>>>>
>>>> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales
>>>> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales
>>>> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales
>>>> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales
>>>> I found this on the IGI
>>>>
>>>> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place
>>>> Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire
>>>> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL.
>>>>
>>>> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here.
>>>>
>>>> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the
>>>> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder
>>>> of William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Lyn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lyn
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned
>>>>> a William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database
>>>>> is this them?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms
>>>>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr
>>>>>
>>>>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you
>>>>> need to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be
>>>>> possibly filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pauline
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor(a)esat.net.au>
>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he
>>>>>> is an ancestor of mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS
>>>>>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never
>>>>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL,
>>>>>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who
>>>>>> migrated to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on
>>>>>> investigation this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in
>>>>>> 1770 and the second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap
>>>>>> of 58 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a
>>>>>> daughter Anne born about 1754.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn Taylor
>>>>>> Western Australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Hi Pauline
I have the name Daniel Thomas from a lady who's trying to find out about a
Dr E M Prosser Thomas. I searched the Pigots Directory for 1830 looking for
Thomas and found a Daniel Thomas who appeared to work at Prosser's Warehouse
in Lammas Street. I also found Prosser & Son in the same street. My
husband's grandfather Tom Prosser Thomas was shown as living in Tenby at the time of
his marriage in 1915. His father was given as William Prosser Thomas,
engineer. The closest I've come to a William Prosser Thomas, engineer is a son
living with his father Thomas Thomas, tailor. William and one of his siblings
is shown as engineers. This family were living in Green, St Mary's Pembroke.
I've been unable to trace William beyond 1881 and Tom from before his
marriage in Cornwall. I know there were members of Tom Prosser Thomas's family
living in Ystalyfera, Glamorgan . When I saw Thomas and Prosser in Lammas
Street it occurrred to me that perhaps the Prosser Thomas could have come about
through marriage. It could equally be, I suppose one branch of the family
dropping the 'Prosser'.
This is proving more difficult than my great grandfather John Davies!
Regards
Anna