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Just as of a little while ago, I am getting doubles and triples of e-mails to the List. At first I thought it was just the same member and that perhaps they had somehow sent the same e-mail twice. But in looking down through the last dozen or so, I got doubles and triples from another Lister or two, and from Pauline! Is anyone else experiencing this "phenomenon"?
Marilyn
#3601
Wondered if anyone knew........if twins are registered at birth, do they
have separeate GRO indexes? On the off chance, I've looked up both names (boy
and a girl) and have found both same month/year with same index no. Do you
think it is possible an error or that I have the twins?
Thanks
Helen
Hello, Pat,
Thank you for your quick response to my inquiry. Seems as if I have
come up against a brickwall in this search.
Would you have any suggestions as to where I may try for more
information?
Thank you, again, for all the help you have given me.
Regards,
Jane in Cal.
Hello Jan - I recently went to Llanelli Breconshire. It is a tiny place just up the hill at the back of Llanwenarth Mons in the Breconshire beacon area. There are about 4 houses and a church there nowadays but it has never been very big. I have one side of my family who were saddlers and farmers from there.
Diana
Hello, Pat,
Thank you for your early reply to my inquiry. Yes, the 1851 census
lists "Llanelly, Glamorgan" as the birthplace of William Edwards on Feb.
27, 1817.
Since there is no Llanelli in Glamorgan, would you mind checking the
1841 census for the Monmouthshire/Breconshire Llanelli, and let me know
what you find there? I will greatly appreciate this and I thank you for
all you do to help all of us.
Regards,
Jane in Cal.
Pauline,
Thank you for your mail.I am going on holiday for three weeks and I do not want to receive mail during that period.How do I cancel.
Sorry to cause a problem
David
Helen, perhaps they do not tie up, perhaps he was a lodger or a best friend
or a cousin.......did not have to be brothers.......have you checked 1841
census??
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: <HMC001(a)aol.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Needing Help & Inspiration!!
> Hi Pauline,
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I attached 1881 to end of original email. If you want again, please say.
>
> All that you give is all that I have found on Census so far - same ones.
> Can't see how Benjamin and John tie up though.
>
>
> Look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Regards
>
> Helen
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Hi Pauline,
I checked 1841 and all I could find was Benjamin's wife, Mary Jones at
Tynycoed with parents and brother. As the first child was born c.1845, I assume
they would have married around 1843-1845. I cannot find Benjamin on 1841, his
birth was Pencarreg.
I found them 1851 living at the same place as Mary's family in 1841.
Tynycoed Mary Jones, Head 68
Benjamin Davies, son-in-law, 31, Pencarreg
Mary Davies, wife, 32, caio
Margaret Davies, dau, 6, caio (this I believe should read
Mary)
Margaret Davies, dau 4
Elizabeth Davies, dau 2
Diana, kindly sent me 1861 off list. Shows above family without
mother-in-law living at Maisynhaidd with an additional son, Rees aged 9.
I suppose I'm left with trying to search for their marriage certificate. I
was wondering if one of their daughters could have possibly been the mother
of Elizabeth, and because from 1881 census she is put as a grandchild, i
thought all i could do was search this family in the hope they point to my
Elizabeth. As for the John, perhaps, albeit he's been put down as father on
marriage and death certificate, he may be a red herring and just thought as a father?
Regards
Helen
Hi Pauline,
Thanks for your reply.
I attached 1881 to end of original email. If you want again, please say.
All that you give is all that I have found on Census so far - same ones.
Can't see how Benjamin and John tie up though.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Helen
Anna, you will have a message from Richards computer informing you if
correct....try and see if you can get in, but he's having lunch at the
moment......so perhaps not added if you have just done it....
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: <AnnaDinahThomas(a)aol.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] help - carpenter or ag labourer
> Pauline
>
> Do you mean that new link on the Carmarthenshire FHS website? If so,
> I've
> just done so but am unsure whether it's worked. I'll check it out.
> Thanks.
>
> Anna
>
>
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> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot
> find - Contact - PeterWihl(a)compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the
> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database
>
This is going to be a long email.............but I badly need help,
guidance, inspiration from all that have been doing this family genealogy longer than
me, more likely!
OK, firstly I'm trying to find ancestors from my great grandmother. I know
she was born 1874 (Elizabeth Davies), in Caio. I recently visited and found
her gravestone. However, having died in early 30's getting the certificate
will not show birth dates, because I've learnt they were not put down until
the late 60's. I know when she married (have certificate).
Found her on 1881 Census - this is when the trouble begins. I give it at
end of this long note..(bare with me, I'm desperate!). It states that she is
granddaughter of head of household. Have researched grandparents. All I can
find from census is that the grandparents had 3 daughters and 1 son. On the
1881 Census, it also shows a lodger namely a John Davies. However, I found
his gravestone on my recent trip and got his death certificate, and it showed
that my Elizabeth's husband was at the death?! She also put this man (John)
as her father on her marriage certificate. However, on researching him, he
always stayed single, no news on any marriage, and my query is...if he is the
father, how come he is very similar in age to the grandfather, as portrayed
on 1881 Census??? I thought, ok perhaps he's a brother - but I can't marry
them up - the Benjamin was away by 1841 and I cannot place him with John's
family, and secondly, why is it put down on 1881 Census that she is the
granddaughter of the head of the household, if a) it wasn't true and b) the lodger was
later put down on records as the father?????
The 1881 Census is correct, on my trip I found a cousin I didn't know I had!
He confirmed.
I understand you don't always take Census as gospel, but which should I
follow - the possibility that John is the father, or rather that Benjamin is the
grandfather??????
How are the two men related to Elizabeth????
Last year, I contacted the registry office in Carmarthenshire - they were
very helpful, when I tried to find a certificate with John the father and no
name for mother, they sent me the only certificate with father John and it was
the wrong one!
Any advice warmly appreciated. Researcher beginning to pull hair out!!
Many thanks
Helen
Here is 1881 Entry:
Dwelling: Glanrhyd
Census Place: Conwil Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342298 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5386 Folio 64 Page
10
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Benjamin DAVIES M 57 M Pencarreg, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Farm Labourer
Mary DAVIES M 62 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Wife
Occ: Labourers Wife
Thomas DAVIES 13 M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: G Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth DAVIES 7 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: G Daur
Occ: Scholar
John DAVIES U 58 M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Farm Labourer
Hi Anna
Do not know if it will help but, my William Thomas of Aberdaron North Wales
occupation was a farmer/joiner mid 1800's.......so could be an ag lab and
carpenter.......a lot can happen in 25 years between the baptism and the
marriage......census has lots of Innkeeper and collier as occupation......or
another occupation etc...some did have two occupations.
Do no take everything on certificates as correct, the information was only
as good as the person giving the information......as I have stated before my
own father in my parents marriage in 1946 gave the wrong name for his father
and occupation.......mainly because he died when he was 6......did not say
deceased either!!! He said his father was a carpenter when if fact he was a
labourer......
Just a little insight of what I know in my own family....
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: <AnnaDinahThomas(a)aol.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: [Cmn-L] help - carpenter or ag labourer
> The David Davies I believe to be my great great grandfather is shown as a
> carpenter when his son John, my great-grandfather was baptised in 1833.
> When
> his son John married Elizabeth Rees in 1858 David is shown as an
> agricultural
> labourer. Would this make sense? I'm hoping I've found the right
> family.
> TIA.
>
> Anna Thomas
>
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Pauline. I'm afraid I was being a bit of a nujisance., yet again. All's ok
now and I'm in. I'd already bookmarked the link from Richard's email but had
for gotten all about it. Sorry about that.Anna
Pauline. I can't get it in. It says I've got to be a member tol access
the database! I got a reminder email which gave the details I'd attempted to
get in with before and are the same I'e used for years.
Anna
Hi again Pauline
The only hard fact I have is that John married Elizabeth Rees in 1858 aged
25 or 26 (I can't remember which) and that his father was David Davies, an ag
lab. Census records give John as being born in Pencarreg!
Anna
Pauline
Do you mean that new link on the Carmarthenshire FHS website? If so, I've
just done so but am unsure whether it's worked. I'll check it out. Thanks.
Anna
Hi Pauline
Thanks for that. I suppose that someone with carpenting skills could be
employed on the farm as a general labourer! This is the only John/David Davies
connection in 1833 I have found, I think thanks to you. However, if a child
wasn't baptised presumably there would be no record at that time? However,
is that likely, I'm hoping not. Now, if John had a younger sibling born five
years later ........ that would be very helpful, but I haven't come across
such sibling so far.
Best wishes
Anna
The David Davies I believe to be my great great grandfather is shown as a
carpenter when his son John, my great-grandfather was baptised in 1833. When
his son John married Elizabeth Rees in 1858 David is shown as an agricultural
labourer. Would this make sense? I'm hoping I've found the right family.
TIA.
Anna Thomas
Hi Sandie
Why don't you write to Capel Als and see if they can enlighten you, there
are quite a few wardens, as I stated before they allow music examinations in
their vestry and the wardens are in charge of the sittings.......they are
very helpful ......
Its worth a try......Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandie Guthrie" <sandieg(a)telusplanet.net>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: [Cmn-L] Capel Als
> To everyone that answered my earlier question on Capel Als I thank you
> very
> much.
>
> To Jim Joseph:
>
> If you really don't mind looking in your fabulous book for me it would be
> appreciated(and in all honesty a translation would be needed)
>
>>From a newspaper cutting I have for my g.grandparents 50th wedding
> anniversary it shows the following:
>
> My g.grandparents were James Richard Hopkins who married Charlotte Jane
> Harris in 1893 at St John's Church, Skewan. It also states that he was a
> senior deacon at Capel Als at the time of there 50th anniversary in1943.
> I
> have been in contact with someone on another list that remembers the
> Hopkins
> family at Capal Al's and I know my mother always insisted that her mother
> had a baby girl stillborn that they named Mary and she was buried at Capal
> Als.
>
> I am slowly gathering information on Capal Al's and as stated above my
> g.grandfather was a senior deacon and he was also a builder in Llanelli
> for
> many years and the house my grandmother lived in on James St was built by
> him.
>
>
>
> Anyway anything you might find would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Sandie
>
>
>
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