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Hi Jackie,
I live in the town of Ammanford which is about 7 miles from Brynamman and
about 2 miles from Llandybie. It would seem that the "Llandibire" might well
be Llandybie but it might be worth you double checking the spelling because
its a good walk from Quarter Bach. I've seen Llandybie spelt in many ways on
old documents but never like that. Some examples are... Llandebie,
Llandybie, Llandebea, Llandibie, Llandeby and Llandebeea. Quite an
assortment.
However Brynamman was known as Gwter Vawr which translated is large gutter
and if you saw the lay of the land you'd understand the reason. Most places
in Wales were named after some geographical feature close by. Brynamman;
Gwter Vawr; Gutter Vawr; is mentioned in George Borrow's famous book, "Wild
Wales", which is an account of his journey through Wales in 1854.
Quarter Bach, which is half English and half Welsh and should be spelt
Cwarter Bach in Welsh isn't a place name but is a division of a parish and
included modern day Cwmllynfell. The parish of Quarter Bach came into being
as a parish of its own in 1882. Previously it had been a division of the
Llandeilofawr parish. For electoral purposes it extends along the right bank
of the Amman river.
To add some more confusion the boundaries are still being changed again to
give the Welsh Assembly Government something to do with their time. If you
follow the weblink...
http://www.lgbc-wales.gov.uk/Boundary/Carms-NeathPT/carms-neathpt_final.h...
to the Local Government Boundary Commission for Wales, website, you'll see
that they are still carving up the Country for electoral purposes. On that
page you'll see a link called appendix 6 which will give you a very clear
map of the area in .pdf file format. You'll also see that they cannot make
up their minds whether it should be in the County of Carmarthenshire or the
County Borough of Neath Port Talbot, which incidentally used to be
Glamorganshire. It gets confusing doesn't it.
As far as your query about a Bryhenllys colliery is concerned, I believe
that it was a colliery not far from the George IV hotel near Cwmtwrch Uchaf,
but closer to Ystradowen. If you'd like a map of that, I have one which
shows it clearly. My Canadian partner's ancestors came from that area and
she's studied the area.
If you like, I can scan the map and e-mail it directly to you.
I hope this has been of some assistance to you and if you have any further
queries that I can answer, it would be a great pleasure to do so. That's
what Pauline and Richard's mailing list is all about.
If we can help each other... we most certainly will.
Regards,
Mal Davies.......... from wet, windy, Wild Wales.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruetons" <bruetons(a)ukgateway.net>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New Lister researching WILLIAMS
> Dear Jackie
>
> Quarter Bach is another name for the eastern part of Brynamman, which in
the
> ninteenth century lay in Llangadock. The western part is in Llandeilo,
and
> Lower Brynamman is in Llanguick (Llangiwg in today's spelling).
>
> I guess your Llandibire is Llandebie, further west again. I suggest you
> look at the GENUKI site for Carmarthenshire:
> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/ and also the site run by Gareth
Hicks,
> who knows the area well:
> http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/Waun/
>
> You might also find it helpful to jooin the Dyfed mailing list, which also
> covers this area:
>
> DYFED-L(a)rootsweb.com - subscribe in the same ways as you did to the
> Carmarthenshire list.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Anna
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacqueline Hill <jacks_hill(a)hotmail.com>
> To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 19 April 2004 22:23
> Subject: [Cmn-L] New Lister researching WILLIAMS
>
>
> >I am new to this list and I am researching my husband's ancestry in
Wales.
> >Now I need some help!
> >
> >On the 1901 census Owen WILLIAMS was living with his family at Felin
Fach,
> >which is part of Brynamman in East Carmarthinshire. His occupation is
> given
> >as Colliery Mechanic Worker.
> >
> >He is aged 41 and it states that he was born in Quarter Bach, Carmarthen.
> >His wife Mary was born in Ystradgynlais and all his children were born in
> >Quarter Bach.
> >William Edgar, age 16
> >Herbert, age 15
> >Maggie, age 13
> >Mayberry, age 10
> >Samuel, age 7
> >Sarah Jane, age 4 (my husband's grandmother)
> >Tudor, age 3
> >John Oswald, age 10 months
> >
> >In the family bible it states that they lived in Felin Fach, Lower
Cwmtwrch
> >before moving to Cwmllynfell where they lived in Heathfield House. Owen
> and
> >Mary Hannah his wife are buried in Cymllynfell cemetery along with a
couple
> >of their sons. It also states that all the children were christened in
> >Llandibire, Carmarthen.
> >
> >I have found Owen WILLIAMS on the 1881 census living with his parents
> >William and Margaret at Felin Fach, Llangadock, Carmarthen and it states
> >that Owen was born in Llangadock. William WILLIAMS occupation is given
as
> >Colliery Manager (miner) and Owen is a C Eng. Civil Engineer or Colliery
> >Engineer?
> >
> >I cannot find Quarter Bach on the map and am wondering whether this is
> >another name for Llangadock. Why would it state that the children were
> born
> >in Quarter Bach and be christened in Llandibire, incidentally another
place
> >I cannot find on the map. Please excuse my ignorance.
> >
> >Apparently Owen WILLIAMS patented a safety device, his brother Tudor
played
> >Rugby Union for Wales against France in 1921, unfortunately he died the
> >following year and that this family (owned ?) Brynhenllys Coal Mine.
> >
> >If anyone can help me solve my geographical queries and possibly give me
> >some leads as to where to find out more about the ownership of this mine
> >etc, I would be truly grateful.
> >
> >
> >Jackie Hill
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
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> find - Contact - PeterWihl(a)compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the
> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database
> >
>
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Can someone please point me in the right direction.
I am looking for any documentation on Brickworks in South Wales, especially
Trimsaran. I am looking for any references to workers, managers and owners.
I am researching the STEVENSON family that is supposed to have moved from
Yorkshire to Trimsaran to be a manager there so I am looking for records at
the turn of the last century.
If there are any websites (Google doesn't show any) or references to
documents I can get hold of I would be most grateful. I am no longer in
South Wales so I am hoping that some materials exist that don't require
visits to local reference libraries etc.
Many thanks
Kerry
Dear Listers,
on searching for a crack in my Evans brick wall I had previously corresponded with Pauline from this list (who pointed me in the right direction).
I now have the following extracts from the 1871 and 1881 Aberystwyth census:
1871
RG10/5562 ED3 Folio 23, Page 39
Reg. District: Aberystwyth, Cards, CP: Aberystwyth
# of schedule 220, #9 Queen Street
MOLYNEUX, Mary, Head, W, 70, Dressmaker, b Lancs, Manchester
GRIFFITHS, Ann, Gr.Dau, 12, Scholar, b Lancs, Liverpool
At the same address, BUT with #of schedule now 221
EVANS, John, Head, M, 50, Cooper, b Carmarthen, Caio/s
Mary, wife, M, 32, his wife, b Cards, Aberswyth
Elizabeth, dau, 11, scholar " "
Ellen, dau, 5, scholar " "
Mary A., dau, 1 " "
(Johns wifes maiden name was Molineaux, so his mother in law appears to be living at the same address)
Residence: 1881 3 Queens Eagle Court, Aberystwyth
John EVANS, b: 1821 in Pimsaint, Camarthen, Wales, Occupation: Cooper
Wife: Maria Evans, (nee MOLINEAUX), b: 1839 in Aberystwyth
Children
John James EVANS b: 4 Jul 1876 in Aberystwyth
David EVANS
Mary A EVANS b: 1870 in Aberystwyth
Margaret EVANS b: 1872 in Aberystwyth
Emily EVANS b: 1880 in Aberystwyth
My main line of query is John Evans, i.e. finding out the names of his parents. As he was born before 1837, theres no chance of me obtaining a birth certificate.
Pauline found a 34 year old John Evan/s a cooper in 1851 census who is living in Llanegwad , orn in Llanegwad, his father is named John Evans also a cooper by trade.
I assume that John married Maria between 1858 and 1860. I've tried the BMD, but the marriage for Molineaux doesn't appear to have been transcribed yet. (Monlineaux not being a traditional Welsh name). I have sent a request to the NLW for more info here. I think my main "problem" is that the family was and ist non conformist, so Parish records probably won't exist.
Judging by name and occupation, I think this is the right one. But I'm stuck. How can I take it further? All suggestions and advice most welcome.
Regards
--
Dewi Evans
Searching for:
Evans: Carms & Aberystwyth
Davies: Aberystwyth
Jones: Aberystwyth, Caron
Molineaux: Aberystwyth
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Dear Jackie
Quarter Bach is another name for the eastern part of Brynamman, which in the
ninteenth century lay in Llangadock. The western part is in Llandeilo, and
Lower Brynamman is in Llanguick (Llangiwg in today's spelling).
I guess your Llandibire is Llandebie, further west again. I suggest you
look at the GENUKI site for Carmarthenshire:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/ and also the site run by Gareth Hicks,
who knows the area well:
http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/Waun/
You might also find it helpful to jooin the Dyfed mailing list, which also
covers this area:
DYFED-L(a)rootsweb.com - subscribe in the same ways as you did to the
Carmarthenshire list.
I hope this helps
Anna
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacqueline Hill <jacks_hill(a)hotmail.com>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 19 April 2004 22:23
Subject: [Cmn-L] New Lister researching WILLIAMS
>I am new to this list and I am researching my husbands ancestry in Wales.
>Now I need some help!
>
>On the 1901 census Owen WILLIAMS was living with his family at Felin Fach,
>which is part of Brynamman in East Carmarthinshire. His occupation is
given
>as Colliery Mechanic Worker.
>
>He is aged 41 and it states that he was born in Quarter Bach, Carmarthen.
>His wife Mary was born in Ystradgynlais and all his children were born in
>Quarter Bach.
>William Edgar, age 16
>Herbert, age 15
>Maggie, age 13
>Mayberry, age 10
>Samuel, age 7
>Sarah Jane, age 4 (my husbands grandmother)
>Tudor, age 3
>John Oswald, age 10 months
>
>In the family bible it states that they lived in Felin Fach, Lower Cwmtwrch
>before moving to Cwmllynfell where they lived in Heathfield House. Owen
and
>Mary Hannah his wife are buried in Cymllynfell cemetery along with a couple
>of their sons. It also states that all the children were christened in
>Llandibire, Carmarthen.
>
>I have found Owen WILLIAMS on the 1881 census living with his parents
>William and Margaret at Felin Fach, Llangadock, Carmarthen and it states
>that Owen was born in Llangadock. William WILLIAMS occupation is given as
>Colliery Manager (miner) and Owen is a C Eng. Civil Engineer or Colliery
>Engineer?
>
>I cannot find Quarter Bach on the map and am wondering whether this is
>another name for Llangadock. Why would it state that the children were
born
>in Quarter Bach and be christened in Llandibire, incidentally another place
>I cannot find on the map. Please excuse my ignorance.
>
>Apparently Owen WILLIAMS patented a safety device, his brother Tudor played
>Rugby Union for Wales against France in 1921, unfortunately he died the
>following year and that this family (owned ?) Brynhenllys Coal Mine.
>
>If anyone can help me solve my geographical queries and possibly give me
>some leads as to where to find out more about the ownership of this mine
>etc, I would be truly grateful.
>
>
>Jackie Hill
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today!
>http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
>
>
>==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ====
>Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot
find - Contact - PeterWihl(a)compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the
Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database
>
Hello Jackie
I would think they were christened in Llandybie - just a slight mis-
spelling.
Also in the 1901 census there are quite a lot of mis-transcriptions. Not
easy for people in India to decipher Welsh placenames!!!
My guess is that Quarter would be Quarre or Quarry.
There is a Quarry road shown in the 1881 census and with bach meaning
small or little (or sometimes an endearment) then Quarry bach could very
well make sense.
The road from Brynaman to Llangadog shows several quarries on the old
maps.
Hope this helps a bit.
Pat
In message <Law10-F40YFRcmVFOh10005d54e(a)hotmail.com>, Jacqueline Hill
<jacks_hill(a)hotmail.com> writes
>I am new to this list and I am researching my husbands ancestry in Wales.
>Now I need some help!
>
>On the 1901 census Owen WILLIAMS was living with his family at Felin Fach,
>which is part of Brynamman in East Carmarthinshire. His occupation is given
>as Colliery Mechanic Worker.
>
>He is aged 41 and it states that he was born in Quarter Bach, Carmarthen.
>His wife Mary was born in Ystradgynlais and all his children were born in
>Quarter Bach.
>William Edgar, age 16
>Herbert, age 15
>Maggie, age 13
>Mayberry, age 10
>Samuel, age 7
>Sarah Jane, age 4 (my husbands grandmother)
>Tudor, age 3
>John Oswald, age 10 months
>
>In the family bible it states that they lived in Felin Fach, Lower Cwmtwrch
>before moving to Cwmllynfell where they lived in Heathfield House. Owen and
>Mary Hannah his wife are buried in Cymllynfell cemetery along with a couple
>of their sons. It also states that all the children were christened in
>Llandibire, Carmarthen.
>
>I have found Owen WILLIAMS on the 1881 census living with his parents
>William and Margaret at Felin Fach, Llangadock, Carmarthen and it states
>that Owen was born in Llangadock. William WILLIAMS occupation is given as
>Colliery Manager (miner) and Owen is a C Eng. Civil Engineer or Colliery
>Engineer?
>
>I cannot find Quarter Bach on the map and am wondering whether this is
>another name for Llangadock. Why would it state that the children were born
>in Quarter Bach and be christened in Llandibire, incidentally another place
>I cannot find on the map. Please excuse my ignorance.
>
>Apparently Owen WILLIAMS patented a safety device, his brother Tudor played
>Rugby Union for Wales against France in 1921, unfortunately he died the
>following year and that this family (owned ?) Brynhenllys Coal Mine.
>
>If anyone can help me solve my geographical queries and possibly give me
>some leads as to where to find out more about the ownership of this mine
>etc, I would be truly grateful.
>
>
>Jackie Hill
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today!
>http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
>
>
>==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ====
>Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find -
>Contact - PeterWihl(a)compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc
>etc - He will search the Database
>
--
Pat Powell
I am new to this list and I am researching my husbands ancestry in Wales.
Now I need some help!
On the 1901 census Owen WILLIAMS was living with his family at Felin Fach,
which is part of Brynamman in East Carmarthinshire. His occupation is given
as Colliery Mechanic Worker.
He is aged 41 and it states that he was born in Quarter Bach, Carmarthen.
His wife Mary was born in Ystradgynlais and all his children were born in
Quarter Bach.
William Edgar, age 16
Herbert, age 15
Maggie, age 13
Mayberry, age 10
Samuel, age 7
Sarah Jane, age 4 (my husbands grandmother)
Tudor, age 3
John Oswald, age 10 months
In the family bible it states that they lived in Felin Fach, Lower Cwmtwrch
before moving to Cwmllynfell where they lived in Heathfield House. Owen and
Mary Hannah his wife are buried in Cymllynfell cemetery along with a couple
of their sons. It also states that all the children were christened in
Llandibire, Carmarthen.
I have found Owen WILLIAMS on the 1881 census living with his parents
William and Margaret at Felin Fach, Llangadock, Carmarthen and it states
that Owen was born in Llangadock. William WILLIAMS occupation is given as
Colliery Manager (miner) and Owen is a C Eng. Civil Engineer or Colliery
Engineer?
I cannot find Quarter Bach on the map and am wondering whether this is
another name for Llangadock. Why would it state that the children were born
in Quarter Bach and be christened in Llandibire, incidentally another place
I cannot find on the map. Please excuse my ignorance.
Apparently Owen WILLIAMS patented a safety device, his brother Tudor played
Rugby Union for Wales against France in 1921, unfortunately he died the
following year and that this family (owned ?) Brynhenllys Coal Mine.
If anyone can help me solve my geographical queries and possibly give me
some leads as to where to find out more about the ownership of this mine
etc, I would be truly grateful.
Jackie Hill
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Here are all the SAPHs in Wales in 1881 census.
Colin of Radyr
1.
Dwelling: 4 Vittoria St
Census Place: Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342295 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5372 Folio 28
Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William REES M 55 M Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Master Mariner
Charlotte REES M 52 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Wife
Deborah SAPH W 78 F Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Mother In Law
Maryam REES M 60 F Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Visitor
Occ: Laundress
2.
Dwelling: 7 Club Row
Census Place: Margam, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342285 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5334 Folio 65
Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James SAPH M 47 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Bituminous Coal Shipper
Elizabeth SAPH M 43 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Wife
Florence M. WOOLLACOTT U 16 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Niece
Occ: Milliner
3.
Dwelling: 161 Neath Rd
Census Place: Briton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342286 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5338 Folio 109
Page 20
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William SAPH M 40 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Accountant
Mary H. SAPH M 37 F Neath Abbey, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Wife
Occ: Accountants Wife
Herbert O. SAPH 2 M Briton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Accountants Son
Evan SAPH 1 m M Briton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Accountants Son
Ellen WILLIAMS U 19 F Tiverdale, Stafford, England
Rel: Serv
Occ: Gen Serv Domestic
4.
Dwelling: 12 Rly Terrace
Census Place: Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342304 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5414 Folio 34
Page 16
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alfred LEWIS U 26 M Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Locomotive Engine Fireman Rail
Letice LEWIS W 56 F Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Mother
Sara J. LEWIS U 21 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Sistr
John SAPH U 39 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Gas Fitter
Frederick PITHERS M 45 M London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Rly Inspector
Edward OWEN U 25 M Llandinham, Montgomery, Wales
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Locomotive Engine Fireman (Rail Stoke)
Henry WILLIAMS U 27 M Broady, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Rly Switchman
5.
Dwelling: 29 New Oxford St
Census Place: Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342292 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5362 Folio 44
Page 19
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Ann BUSE W 68 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Seamstress
Ann SAPH W 37 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Seamstress Machinist
William J. SAPH U 13 M Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Grandson
Occ: Scholar
Edwin J. SAPH U 10 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Grandson
Occ: Scholar
Do not overlook the following possibilities, also from the 1881 census.
Colin of Radyr.
1.
Dwelling: 13 Little Madoc St
Census Place: Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342291 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5358 Folio 80
Page 38
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James JONES M 32 M H-West, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Trimer
Eliza JONES M 40 F Barnstaple, Devon, England
Rel: Wife
James JONES 12 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Edmund JONES 9 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Mary A. JONES 7 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Margreat JONES 3 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Samuel RICE W 78 M Barnstaple, Devon, England
Rel: Visitor Handicap: Deaf
Occ: Shoemaker
2.
Dwelling: High Street
Census Place: Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342278 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5308 Folio 60
Page 20
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Rees JAMES M 59 M Merthyr Tydvil, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Mary JAMES M 49 F Pencarreg, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Wife
Thomas JAMES U 19 M Merthyr Tydvil, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Haulier
Mary JONES U 17 F Pencarreg, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Step Daur
James JONES U 16 M Merthyr Tydvil, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Janet JONES U 14 F Merthyr Tydvil, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Elizabeth JONES U 9 F Merthyr Tydvil, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Ann JONES U 6 F Merthyr Tydvil, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
James JONES U 11 M Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Step Son
Occ: Scholar
3.
Dwelling: 35 London St
Census Place: Llanwonno, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342274 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5295 Folio 32
Page 57
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Joseph JONES M 47 M Brecknock, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Colliery Labourer
Margaret JONES M 43 F Brecknock, Wales
Rel: Wife
John JONES 14 M Monmouth, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
James JONES 11 M Llanwonno, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
David JONES 7 M Llanwonno, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Thomas JONES 5 M Llanwonno, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Christiana JONES 3 F Llanwonno, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Daur
Dwelling: 2 Woodland Terrace
Census Place: Llantwit Lower, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342287 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5342 Folio 16
Page 25
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James JONES W 37 M Penbier, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
James Henry JONES 11 M Resolven, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Catherine DAVIES 15 F Resolven, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Servt
Occ: General Servant Domestic
Forwarded for Colin
-----
Good afternoon
Would it be possible for you to post the following announcement on your list - I do not know if some of your members might be interested in South African Genealogy:
Thanks
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***********
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Hello again after a short recess!
An entry in one of my family Bibles is as follows :- Benjamin Howells, born
Newcastle Emlyn, died 11 September 1879 aged 69 years. He could possibly be
a brother to William Howells born abt 1813, New Inn, Trelech ar Betws,
Carms; died 15 June 1885. Parents unknown. My relationship to this latter
person is certain. He and some of his family are buried in the Churchyard at
Trelech ar Betws and are also recorded in the 1881 Census.
Have you access to any information that could help me slot Benjamin Howells
in to my Family Tree. I have so far failed to find anything about him; he
just missed the 1881 Census!
Kindest regards H.Lewis.
I have recently been told that I do not tell listers what is available from Carmarthenshire FHS......
If you wish to know what is available go to the web pages, and especially look under 'special offers'
http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk
thanks Pauline
Hello, I have been trying for years to trace the background of our great grandfather George WILLIAMS who came to Australia approximately 1852.
His family here have been corresponding with a WILLIAMS family in Alltwen for at least 70 years but my Aunt Annie WILLIAMS (Aust.) died a while ago before people found anything out. The last lady in Alltwen, *Annie YOUNG (nee WILLIAMS) is now mid-eighties and has written to us but she has trouble remembering why or how about the connection.
Her information does however fit with the family living in Llangadock in 1881 census:- Jonah and Anne
children.- David b. 1857
Thomas Williams b.1863 (Annie says was policeman at Porth
William b.1866
Gwen b.1868
John b. 1871
Richard b. 1876 -son William John - * ANNIE 1823
YOUNG -Letters
Gwendoline 1826
Annie says the family came from Gwynfe where Jonah was a blacksmith but eventually went to Altwen when steel making flourished at Portadawe. She also claims the family is very proud of Sir JOHN WILLIAMS - as she says the success of the family!!. ?? may be wishful thinking.
She sent me a cutting about him which again brings in Gwynfe and blacksmithing but her dates are quite confusing. She says there was no George.!!
On the internet I have found rightly or wrongly:- a
David WILLIAMS b. Llandilo 20/6/1790
d. 24.9.31 b.1797
married a Margaret Edward approx 1815. d.1833
** a John WILLIAM christened 9/10/32 born 1831?
parents David and Margaret - this fits fairly well
with Sir John loosing his father as an infant - did he
he loose mother too and be brought up by an
Eleanor?? the birth of John was Llangadock
I then found a
George WILLIAMS b.also at Llangadock in 1828 (Christening)
parents are David and Margaret.
All of this is very confusing - each link is not proven at all but they all seem to connect.
Could you tell me where to go next with this.
If I could find out what had happened to David and Margaret's George it would definitely help as it would prove or disprove whether he is my g.grandfather. After the thousands of Davids and Johns at least George is not as common!
I hope this has not been too much reading to ask you to do but it was hard to do without it all, kind regards, Margaret BROOKES. Melbourne.
Hello, I have been trying for years to trace the background of our great grandfather George WILLIAMS who came to Australia approximately 1852.
His family here have been corresponding with a WILLIAMS family in Alltwen for at least 70 years but my Aunt Annie WILLIAMS (Aust.) died a while ago before people found anything out. The last lady in Alltwen, *Annie YOUNG (nee WILLIAMS) is now mid-eighties and has written to us but she has trouble remembering why or how about the connection.
Her information does however fit with the family living in Llangadock in 1881 census:- Jonah and Anne
children.- David b. 1857
Thomas Williams b.1863 (Annie says was policeman at Porth
William b.1866
Gwen b.1868
John b. 1871
Richard b. 1876 -son William John - * ANNIE 1823
YOUNG -Letters
Gwendoline 1826
Annie says the family came from Gwynfe where Jonah was a blacksmith but eventually went to Altwen when steel making flourished at Portadawe. She also claims the family is very proud of Sir JOHN WILLIAMS - as she says the success of the family!!. ?? may be wishful thinking.
She sent me a cutting about him which again brings in Gwynfe and blacksmithing but her dates are quite confusing. She says there was no George.!!
On the internet I have found rightly or wrongly:- a
David WILLIAMS b. Llandilo 20/6/1790
d. 24.9.31 b.1797
married a Margaret Edward approx 1815. d.1833
** a John WILLIAM christened 9/10/32 born 1831?
parents David and Margaret - this fits fairly well
with Sir John loosing his father as an infant - did he
he loose mother too and be brought up by an
Eleanor?? the birth of John was Llangadock
I then found a
George WILLIAMS b.also at Llangadock in 1828 (Christening)
parents are David and Margaret.
All of this is very confusing - each link is not proven at all but they all seem to connect.
Could you tell me where to go next with this.
If I could find out what had happened to David and Margaret's George it would definitely help as it would prove or disprove whether he is my g.grandfather. After the thousands of Davids and Johns at least George is not as common!
I hope this has not been too much reading to ask you to do but it was hard to do without it all, kind regards, Margaret BROOKES. Melbourne.
Gday Pauline and list.
I am resending this Email as you may have missed it when I 1st posted it
Last year Pauline you helped me with my ancestors namely John Williams and Rachel Jones of Llanegwad in Carmarthen and their children
The information I have received from yourself and the list is basically what's below
1851 census showing Rachel Williams (nee Jones) as dead and also her daughter Anne as dead
Llanegwad 1Ac sch 13 page 3
Tynewydd Cwmfran
John Williams head 36 mason born Llanegwad
Maria Williams dau 7 born Llangathen
John Williams son 6 born Llanegwad
Rachel Williams dau 1 born Llanegwad
Mary Thomas servant 17 born Llanegwad
John and Rachel's Marriage Certificate has this information Date 20th June 1842
John Williams Full age Batchelor Mason New Cross with father John Williams also a Mason
Rachel Jones Full age Spinster Maid Servant New Cross with father John Jones a labourer.
Also the baptisms I believe for the children to John and Rachel namely
Maria 18th Jan 1843
John 1845 2nd March
Anne 1847 10th Jan
Rachel 1849 19th Sept
I now know that John Williams remarried in Carmarthen about 1851 to I think a Margaret Rees though I cant be sure of the Surname.
I also know that John Williams brought most of his family to Australia in 1856 but I am having trouble finding how his 2nd Wife finished up in
Australia but she died here.
His death certificate shows another son Richard who didn't show up in any of the census's or baptisms that you have so kindly supplied.
Is it possible for anyone on the list to try and find the marriage details for Johns 2nd marriage to Margaret Rees ? and if there is any sign of a Richard Williams
born somewhere between 1842 and 1849 which is when Rachel Jones died.
There was no children from the marriage of Margaret and John Williams
When John Williams died in 1861 Richard was listed as living and surprisingly daughter Rachel Williams was not listed at all even though she
was living only 30 miles away.
Hoping someone can through some more light on my clan
Trevor Whitlock
Australia
Hi Yvonne
If you are in Llantrisant you will see us.......we are always on the back
wall behind the 'chap' who takes all the room up selling his books on dodgy
tables!!!
see you there - Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: <Reidjy(a)aol.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Llantrisant Family History Fair
> Hi Pauline,
> Will be there - looking forward to it.
> Hope to see you,
> Yvonne Reid
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Thank you to everyone who responded to my enquiry - you have been very helpful.
May I, in passing, wish every success to those who attend the event in Llantrisant? I had planned to be there but circumstances conspire against me. Maybe next year..
Les
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We hope that some can make it to
The South Wales Family History Fair
Llantrisant Leisure Centre
Southgate Park
Llantrisant
Rhondda Cynon Taff
Sunday 18th April 10am to 5pm
regards
Pauline