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Pauline and all,
I am following up on an message posted by Carolyn Derby to this board, and the reply that you, Pauline, posted asking for verification.
Since I descend from this James Jones also, by way of his son James, I wanted to add the information that I have to the mix.
To recap, Carolyn had asked what information that you might have about her great-great-grandfather, James Jones, born 1786, who was married to Hannah/Ann (depending on the source), born 1789 and lived at a house called Clawddcoch (apparently meaning "Red Bank") in Llanllwni, Carmarthenshire.
In your reply, you wanted to verify that it was truly Llanllwni where records should be sought. I believe that it is.
The sources that we are going on are disparate and secondary, but include a letter from a Swansea descendant of these same people with whom we no longer have contact after this relative suffered a severe stroke. We also have mention in this James Jones' son's family bible (featured courtesy John Weston in detail at:
http://www.data-wales.co.uk/biblepage.htm )
where James' son James listed his birthplace at Llanllwni.
Another source, a typescript from 1963 called "Jones Family Record" by a man named Arthur Roberts (perhaps of Utica, NY), names this James Jones also, as well as several generation of his descendants, but without any source notations and few other details.
The final source is perhaps tertiary at best. A letter that I have mentions that there was a "Composition on the 'Jones in Wales'", and paraphrasing it, James Jones (b. 1785 according to this source) built a Sod House on the Public Land in 1820 in one night, "according to English Law at the time." Capitalization rules notwithstanding, I think that the name of the house, Red Bank, probably derives from the qualities of the sod or soil in the area.
I would think that a death record might exist for this James Jones, since it is likely that he died after 1837. While I do think that this family was nonconformist, and therefore a parish register entry might not exist for James' or Ann/Hannah's birth or marriage in Llanllwni, perhaps there is some record in your collection that would point to this family.
In addition the information that I have detailed, it might help you to know that this James and Ann/Hannah had five children we know of: Elizabeth, James (b. 1826), Evan, Hannah, and Thomas.
Maybe I can use this inquiry to ask a couple of other questions too, Pauline.
It seems that you are doing the lion's share of the lookups for this list, for which many of us are thankful. It's patient and sometimes tedious work that you do, and I hope that you you know that we appreciate it.
Asked in the spirit of not wasting your time and making your job easier, what sources are you drawing on and what can listers expect that you might be able to find for them? And, more importantly, what is the best way for us to phrase our subject lines and messages so that you sift through the least amount of insginifican information before delving into your archive?
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Aaron Howard
North Syracuse, NY, USA
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Sue, not any of the names mentioned are in Laugharne baptisms.......not one
Rachel Lewis or any Lewis Morgan/s......
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harvey" <pippyx(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Parish Records for St. Martin Parish Church in
Laugharne
> Pauline Hi,
> If you come across any entries around 1834 for a LEWIS MORGANS born 1834
> could you look and see who the parents are also any Lewis Family 1838
> particularly Rachel Lewis daughter of David Lewis and possibly Elizabeth
> ORMOND.Living in MALET/MILLETT/MYLETT FarmLaugharne.
> Lewis Morgans family were farmers .not sure where but Redberth crops up
and
> LLantwit Pembs near border with Carmarthenshire??
>
> I have some information but still plenty to sort ou tand any info on these
> families including Martha WHITTA 1795 would be wonderful to find sometime.
> Best wishes and good luck with the indexing and thanks .
>
> Sue in LLantrisant Glam.
> ***************************************
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Parish Records for St. Martin Parish Church in
> Laugharne
>
>
> > Hi Thomas
> >
> > I have started to index Laugharne parish church...here is the entry you
> > require.....
> >
> > 1816 10th October
> > George Morris, son George and Elizabeth, King Street, labourer
> >
> > I found a few siblings in 1820 named Anna and 1823 Thomas......
> >
> > hope this helps....do you have their marriage date?
> >
> > regards Pauline
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Morris" <imamorris2(a)hotmail.com>
> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 7:59 PM
> > Subject: [Cmn-L] Parish Records for St. Martin Parish Church in
Laugharne
> >
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > I am hoping that someone might have the Parish Records for St Martin
> > Parish
> > > Church in Laugharne.
> > > I am specifically looking for the baptism of George Morris.
> > > My best guess is that he would have been baptised sometime around
> 1816-26.
> > >
> > > Any information would be GREATLY appreciated!!!
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
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Dwelling: Cwmdu St
Census Place: Llanguick, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342288 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5348 Folio 51
Page 19
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas JONES M 37 M Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Labourer
Elizabeth JONES M 35 F Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Wife
Occ: Wife
Thomas JONES 14 M Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Occ: Stoker In Iron Works ((Scholar))
Jenkin JONES 13 M Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Occ: Stoker In Iron Works ((Scholar))
David JONES 11 M Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Occ: Scholar
Evan JONES 9 M Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Occ: Scholar
William JONES 8 M Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Occ: Scholar
Margaret JONES 6 F Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Occ: Scholar
Llewellyn JONES 5 M Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales
Occ: Scholar
HI Marg
If they were baptised in Rock Chapel they will not be in the parish
registers, as that was a non-conformist church.....
the marriage is as follows from the names you gave to myself...it was the
only one
1814 27th April Abernant parish church
Thomas Lewis parish Trelech ar Bettws and Esther Phillip parish Abernant
Is this the information you were after.....?
Pauline
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From: "Wytchwood" <wytchwood(a)btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Thomas LEWIS - b.1828 - Trelech, Carmarthenshire.
> Pauline
>
> Many thanks.
>
> From the IGI records I have a Thomas LEWIS b. 02-Nov-1828, Christened
> 23-Mar-1829 (Rock Dissenting Congregational Or Independent, Trelech
> A'R-Bettws...) Parents: Thomas LEWIS and Esther PHILLIPS. It looks as
> though Thomas has other brothers: Jonathan LEWIS b.27-Jul-1820 and William
> LEWIS b.29-July-1822 i.e. from the same IGI source..
>
> Will this help?
>
> Regards
> Marg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Thomas LEWIS - b.1828 - Trelech, Carmarthenshire.
>
>
> > Looked at Trelech ar bettws baptisms and the only Thomas Lewis was one
> > baptisd on 26th December 1813 to a Thomas and Esther
> >
> > Pauline
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wytchwood" <wytchwood(a)btopenworld.com>
> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 9:42 AM
> > Subject: [Cmn-L] Thomas LEWIS - b.1828 - Trelech, Carmarthenshire.
> >
> >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > I'm looking for any info on Thomas LEWIS b. Trelech, 1828,
> > Carmarthenshire.
> > >
> > > I believe that I have found him on the following Glamorgan Census's:-
> > >
> > > 1891 - Civil Parish: Mawr, Glamorgan - 32 Coidcaegras - Age 63 - b.
> > Trelech,
> > > Carmarthenshire - Occupation: Agricultural Labourer - Living with his
> son
> > > John LEWIS.
> > >
> > > 1881 - Census Place: Llantwit Lower, Glamorgan - No 4 Cefnmawr
> ottage -
> > > Widower - Age 53 - b. Trelech, Carmarthenshire - Occupation: Coal
Miner.
> > >
> > > I am interested in his location and data pre 1881 etc.........
> > >
> > > Any help with this 'brickwall' would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Many thanks & Regards in advance.
> > >
> > > Marg
> > > Norfolk. UK
> > >
> > >
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Hello Pat,
Thanks for your prompt and interesting reply. I'll have to think and discuss
long and hard on the information before I commit it to my FT. I think it
confirms family lore but I must confer. Thanks again, Huw Lewis.
Pauline
Many thanks.
From the IGI records I have a Thomas LEWIS b. 02-Nov-1828, Christened
23-Mar-1829 (Rock Dissenting Congregational Or Independent, Trelech
A'R-Bettws...) Parents: Thomas LEWIS and Esther PHILLIPS. It looks as
though Thomas has other brothers: Jonathan LEWIS b.27-Jul-1820 and William
LEWIS b.29-July-1822 i.e. from the same IGI source..
Will this help?
Regards
Marg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Thomas LEWIS - b.1828 - Trelech, Carmarthenshire.
> Looked at Trelech ar bettws baptisms and the only Thomas Lewis was one
> baptisd on 26th December 1813 to a Thomas and Esther
>
> Pauline
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wytchwood" <wytchwood(a)btopenworld.com>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 9:42 AM
> Subject: [Cmn-L] Thomas LEWIS - b.1828 - Trelech, Carmarthenshire.
>
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I'm looking for any info on Thomas LEWIS b. Trelech, 1828,
> Carmarthenshire.
> >
> > I believe that I have found him on the following Glamorgan Census's:-
> >
> > 1891 - Civil Parish: Mawr, Glamorgan - 32 Coidcaegras - Age 63 - b.
> Trelech,
> > Carmarthenshire - Occupation: Agricultural Labourer - Living with his
son
> > John LEWIS.
> >
> > 1881 - Census Place: Llantwit Lower, Glamorgan - No 4 Cefnmawr
ottage -
> > Widower - Age 53 - b. Trelech, Carmarthenshire - Occupation: Coal Miner.
> >
> > I am interested in his location and data pre 1881 etc.........
> >
> > Any help with this 'brickwall' would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Many thanks & Regards in advance.
> >
> > Marg
> > Norfolk. UK
> >
> >
> >
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Hello Pauline,
Thanks very much for the prompt reply and information on the Webb family.
I'll now have to study it for a while as it almost makes complete sense when
adding in family lore. Re the CD: as my family are/were staunch
non-conformists I wonder if the Parish Records would be as informative as a
census return. Glad to learn more. Kindest regards Huw.
Thank you Pauline for the information!!! I was grasping at straws on this
one and didn't really think that the information would be available. Do you
happen to have anything else on this family? I would guess that the
marriage would have been within a couple years before 1816 (George's
baptism). Probably in the same church. I know that this is digging, but
what about the baptism of his parents George Morris and Elizabeth ? ?
Any information would be GREATLY appreciated!!!
Thanks again!!!
Thomas
>From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
>Reply-To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Parish Records for St. Martin Parish Church in
>Laugharne
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:35:57 -0000
>
>Hi Thomas
>
>I have started to index Laugharne parish church...here is the entry you
>require.....
>
>1816 10th October
>George Morris, son George and Elizabeth, King Street, labourer
>
>I found a few siblings in 1820 named Anna and 1823 Thomas......
>
>hope this helps....do you have their marriage date?
>
>regards Pauline
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Thomas Morris" <imamorris2(a)hotmail.com>
>To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 7:59 PM
>Subject: [Cmn-L] Parish Records for St. Martin Parish Church in Laugharne
>
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am hoping that someone might have the Parish Records for St Martin
>Parish
> > Church in Laugharne.
> > I am specifically looking for the baptism of George Morris.
> > My best guess is that he would have been baptised sometime around
>1816-26.
> >
> > Any information would be GREATLY appreciated!!!
> >
> > Thomas
> >
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Is the surname Jones used interchageably with John and Johns?
I'm trying to find a Henry & Mary Jones in the 1841 census but none of
the entries match (yes, I know that ages were rounded to the nearest 5
years in the 1841 census). There is a couple called Henry and Mary John
with appropriate ages. Could these be my missing entries?
Take care,
Paul
I am trying to trace the ancestry of a John Rees who was born in
Llangeler, Carms in 1895/6. I have the 1851 Cardiff census below. Anyone
any ideas?
It also has a Mary Evans who was also born in Llangeler and may be of
interest to someone on this group.
1851 CENSUS OF CARDIFF (NW CENTRAL)
Address: 15 ST.JOHN STREET
John Rees 55 Grocer and Tea Dealer Llangeler, Carms
Jane Rees 41 - Whitchurch, Glams
Samuel Rees 19 Grocer's Assistant Whitchurch, Glams
Mary Rees 17 - Whitchurch, Glams
John Rees 15 Apprentice Draper Whitchurch, Glams
Evan Rees 13 Scholar Whitchurch, Glams
Hannah Rees 11 Scholar Whitchurch, Glams
Jemima Rees 8 Scholar Whitchurch, Glams
Eliza Rees 6 Scholar Cardiff, Glams
Martha Jane Res 5 - Cardiff, Glams
Sarah Ann Rees 2 - Cardiff, Glams
David Rees 6M - Cardiff, Glams
Mary Evans 19 House Servant Llangeler, Carms
Take care,
Paul
I gather that the patronymic naming system was used in Wales prior to
modern times. This was where the children took their father's first name
as a surname, e.g. William Rees' children would have the surname Williams.
My question is when did this system die out in rural Carmarthenshire?
Did it die out gradually depending on family or place or did it die out
all at once? Would it have been used in Llangynog (Llangunnock) in the
early 1800s?
Take care,
Paul
Add to that inquiry, that William Humphrey Jones and Eleanor Williams were
married 6 Oct. 1835 in Llangadock, Camarthen, Wales.
Thier children:
Thomas William Jones abt 1842
William David Jones abt 1844
David Griffith Jones 15 May 1844
and Elizabeth Jones abt 1848
Is there any more information listed in any of the censes that you can find?
Thanks so much.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Iowa Ribbon / Duncan" <g.duncan(a)mchsi.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1851 census?
> sorry, al the concrete evidence is that the son, David Grifith Jones was
> either born on May 15th, 1844 or that was the christing date, in I believe
> St Joseph,
> Llandingat, Carmarthen, Wales. And his father's name.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1851 census?
>
>
> > Hi Iowa
> >
> > I have looked in 1851 census, but cannot find the ones you are seeking
in
> > Llandingat.......what was William's occupation.......
> >
> > any extra information.....lots of people of that name...only two
> > Elinor/Eleanor's for Llandingat, but not one with a husband of that
> name....
> >
> > Pauline
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Iowa Ribbon / Duncan" <g.duncan(a)mchsi.com>
> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:01 PM
> > Subject: [Cmn-L] 1851 census?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > Does anyone have access to the 1851 census for
> > > >
> > > > Llandingat, Carmarthen, Wales?
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for the family of
> > > >
> > > > William Humphrey Jones and Elinor Williams
> > > >
> > > > children at time of census:
> > > >
> > > > Thomas Jones c.abt 1842
> > > >
> > > > William David Jones c abt 1844
> > > >
> > > > David Griffith Jones c May 15, 1844 Llandingat, Carmarthen, Wales
> > > >
> > > > and Elizabeth Jones about 1848
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks from Iowa, USA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Hi Thomas
I have started to index Laugharne parish church...here is the entry you
require.....
1816 10th October
George Morris, son George and Elizabeth, King Street, labourer
I found a few siblings in 1820 named Anna and 1823 Thomas......
hope this helps....do you have their marriage date?
regards Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Morris" <imamorris2(a)hotmail.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 7:59 PM
Subject: [Cmn-L] Parish Records for St. Martin Parish Church in Laugharne
> Greetings,
>
> I am hoping that someone might have the Parish Records for St Martin
Parish
> Church in Laugharne.
> I am specifically looking for the baptism of George Morris.
> My best guess is that he would have been baptised sometime around 1816-26.
>
> Any information would be GREATLY appreciated!!!
>
> Thomas
>
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Hello Listers,
I am wondering if anyone on the List has an interest in the Donne family. There is a record of Anthony Morgan Donne of Fforest, Gentleman, died 15th December 1829 at the age of 63 and buried at Llangendeirne. I will greatly appreciate any help in finding his antecedents. I know that there is a will and Bond but I'm hoping there may be some clues on the List.
Thank you
Peter Stringer
Hello ? (you haven't given your name)
Here is an extract from "Pages from the History of Llandovery"
by Alfred Theodore Arber-Clarke
It is in the section about Broad Street Llandovery (i.e Llandingat )
"No 18 was owned by William Humphrey Jones and was rated as "Bellvue
House and Garden". The earliest known tenant, James Evans, is named in
the Tithe Apportionment Roll of 1841 but by the time the rate book of
that year was complied the owner was occupying the house himself.
William Humphrey Jones makes only one appearance in the Burgess Roll, in
1843-1844, but the rate books show him as owner of the house until 1846
at least.
After that date no rate books are available for the next twenty years.
The owner must have left the house by the end of 1843 since Pigot's
directory of 1844 lists Bellvue among Public houses and gives the name
of the licensee as William Williams. "
I hope this is of interest.
Pat
In message <012a01c41037$b9003220$4f56d80c@HOUSE>, Iowa Ribbon / Duncan
<g.duncan(a)mchsi.com> writes
>
>> Does anyone have access to the 1851 census for
>>
>> Llandingat, Carmarthen, Wales?
>>
>> I am looking for the family of
>>
>> William Humphrey Jones and Elinor Williams
>>
>> children at time of census:
>>
>> Thomas Jones c.abt 1842
>>
>> William David Jones c abt 1844
>>
>> David Griffith Jones c May 15, 1844 Llandingat, Carmarthen, Wales
>>
>> and Elizabeth Jones about 1848
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks from Iowa, USA
>>
>>
>>
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Greetings,
I am hoping that someone might have the Parish Records for St Martin Parish
Church in Laugharne.
I am specifically looking for the baptism of George Morris.
My best guess is that he would have been baptised sometime around 1816-26.
Any information would be GREATLY appreciated!!!
Thomas
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It should have read indexes from St Illtyd Pembrey parish church.......
Pauline
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From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Search Please.
> Hi Huw
>
> Do not want to sound pushy, but there is a CD available on Pembrey parish
> anthology, which has all the
>
> marriages 1700-1900
> burials 1700-1900
> baptisms 1700-1833
>
> census returns 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891
>
> and so much more......if you have Pembrey ancestry this is such a
wonderful
> source of locating information, and you can just check and double check
> through the indexes.
>
> This can be purchased through Carmarthenshire FHS at
>
> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk
>
> Just thought it would be to your advantage.......just to 'have fun' at
your
> own leisure....
>
> regards Pauline
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "huwadil" <huwadil(a)ntlworld.com>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:13 AM
> Subject: [Cmn-L] Search Please.
>
>
> > Hello everyone. Can someone please carry out a look-up for :-
> > Mary Treharne, (married Rees): believed born at Gro Gwynion Farm,
> Trimsaran
> > about 1888.
> > Father Phillip Treharne, mother Margaret Erasmus. Eldest or second
eldest
> of
> > siblings. On the 1901 Census she is shown as 14 years old born
> > Carmarthenshire, Pembrey. Information on the parents would be most
> > welcome to enable further ancestral research. Happy Mother's Day for
> > yesterday - I forgot !! but being a Dacu has it's compensations. Cofion
> > cynnes i bawb. Huw Lewis.
> >
> >
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Huw
I do not have any Webb's in my Pembrey census for 1841.....this one from
1861 only...
Pembrey parish 1861 census district 2 schedule 41
Towyn Bach
Edward Webb lodger single 22 dock labourer born Wenhaston? Suffolk
by 1871 here he is:
Pembrey parish district 2 schedule 106
2 Silver Row
Edward Webb head marr 31 furnaceman leadworks born Wenhaston Suffolk
Sarah wife marr 28 born Llanelly
David son 8 scholar born Pembrey
William H son 6 scholar born Pembrey
Elizabeth dau 3 Pembrey
Edward son 1 born Pembrey
the easiest way to find her maiden name is to purchase the birth certificate
of the youngest who is Edward and born c1870.....
I can tell you that Edward Webb the younger married in
Pembrey parish church on 23rd December 1894
Edward Webb, occupation fireman, abode Silver Row, father Edward Webb
Mary King abode Derwydd, father David King
hope this helps.....Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "huwadil" <huwadil(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:37 AM
Subject: [Cmn-L] Possible Duplication or Error Entry.
> Hello Again. Can you help with this problem please.
> On the LDS Site I have found two records for the same person viz Edward
Webb (also had a son Edward Webb and a grandson John Edward Webb.)
> First record :- Edward Webb born 1841 of New Street, Pembrey, Carmarthen.
Father - Edward Webb; Spouse - Sarah Thomas; Married 04.04.1863. Children
None.
> Second Record :- Edward Webb born 1841 of New Street, Pembrey, Carmarthen.
Father - Edward Webb; Spouse - Mary Matthews; born 1833 of Barracks
Llanelly, Carmarthen; Father - John Matthews. Married - Carmel Independent
Chapel, Pembrey, Carmarthen 04.04.1863
> Which is the correct parentage? I favour the latter as the family to this
day has connections with Carmel Chapel, the former is rather vague to me.
Your expert experienced opinion would be greatly appreciated. Kindest
regards Huw Lewis.
>
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Hello Huw
As you may see from the source information on the LDS Site none of these
records have been obtained from church or chapel sources - they are all
"submitted by LDS members" and as such must always be suspect until
substantiated by other means.
However - the 1871 census for Pembrey shows a family with Edward Webb as
Head and his wife as Sarah .
Edward , aged 31 is from Suffolk and wife Sarah aged 26 is from Llanelly
Children are David 8, William 5, Elizabeth 3 and Edward 1 - all born
Pembrey
Is this your family? If so then possibly Sarah Thomas is the wife to
follow up.
Cheers
Pat
In message <001701c41002$2b309640$e0f90050@oemcomputer>, huwadil
<huwadil(a)ntlworld.com> writes
>Hello Again. Can you help with this problem please.
>On the LDS Site I have found two records for the same person viz Edward Webb
>(also had a son Edward Webb and a grandson John Edward Webb.)
>First record :- Edward Webb born 1841 of New Street, Pembrey, Carmarthen. Father
>- Edward Webb; Spouse - Sarah Thomas; Married 04.04.1863. Children None.
>Second Record :- Edward Webb born 1841 of New Street, Pembrey, Carmarthen.
>Father - Edward Webb; Spouse - Mary Matthews; born 1833 of Barracks Llanelly,
>Carmarthen; Father - John Matthews. Married - Carmel Independent Chapel,
>Pembrey, Carmarthen 04.04.1863
>Which is the correct parentage? I favour the latter as the family to this day
>has connections with Carmel Chapel, the former is rather vague to me. Your
>expert experienced opinion would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards Huw
>Lewis.
>
>
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>I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research
>http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk
>
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Pat Powell