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thanks pauline i will send for the birth certificate from llanelly they have always been very helpful, if you could can you send me the full details of thee other fulford ones you found i will be very grateful thanks.
Thanks Pauline for letting me know. Perhaps the Hugglestones left the area
by 1851. I may try the Glamorgan area, as they may have moved to Swansea.
I'm still trying to deal with the 61 emails from a couple of mailing lists
that awaited my return after a few days in Cornwall, so I may unsuscribe for
a while, with much appreciation and gratitude for all I've learned about
your corner of Wales from helpful listers. It will be worth suscribing
again just to have my day brightened by the much enjoyed banter and
fantasies - pity about the rugby! - best wishes from Rosemary in Sussex.
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From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@btinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:03 PM
To: rosemary(a)fincher.uk.com
Cc: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Llandingat 1851 census
Hi Rosemary
No, cannot find any Hugg......spellings in the 1851 census index out of
84,000 completed entries....
sorry....Pauline
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From: "Rosemary Fincher" <rosemary(a)fincher.uk.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Llandingat 1851 census
> Congratulations Pauline on another fine achievement I would be so pleased
> if you came across any of my Hugglestone ancestors?
> Best wishes - Rosemary
>
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> From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [Cmn-L] Llandingat 1851 census
>
>
> Hi
>
> I know that some have been waiting for this census to become available to
> locate family.....I have finished indexing this, so would you please
resend
> your past requests....
>
> Pauline James
> Carmarthenshire FHS
> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk
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In an article on Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) in the Washington Times on 11 April, two "Welsh" names appeared.
The opposition party to to Mobert Mugabe's rule is the "Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) party, led by MORGAN Tsvangirai.
His deputy, another native Zimbanwean, is Secretary-General, WELSHMAN (Yes that is his name) Ncube.
I wonder how many Welsh migrated to Rhodesia, obviously there were some..
Jos. Gregory
In rainy (again!) Mt. Top, Pa.
Hi Pauline
Is there any chance of your looking an ancester up for me?
His name is John Griffiths (sorry its not much to go on). I have various
dates of birth 1835, 37 and 42. Born in Lanelly. Father John Griffiths,
Tinman
That's it!
Thanks
Alan Murphy
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HELLO john morriss from DEAL KENT requesting help in finding my kin.Can anyone find the following
THOMAS RICHARDS born 1793 LLANEGWAD carmarthenshire occupation FILLER or FINER
married someone called ANNE born 2 june 1792 LLANLAWDOG carmarthenshire,Thankyou for your kindness ,and your time and effort
Hello again Phyllis
I've had a look back at our conversations.
As you quoted son David Isaac Williams birth as Dec. 22, 1840,
you can find his mother's maiden name by sending for a copy of his birth
certificate.
Then you can see which is the correct marriage.
Cheers
Pat
In message <000f01c30b4b$225e1630$e7c1bcd0@Phyllis>, pjpoynter
<pjpoynter(a)planetkc.com> writes
>I have searched the IGI for marriage of David Williams to Hannah Unknown
>about 1826 to 1830.
>
>David was b. Abt 1807 Llanfynydd, Carmarthen Co. (Per 1881 Census).
>
>I found a marriage of David William to Hannah Peregrine dated 28 Dec. 1826 in
>Llanfynydd, Carm. Wales, that does seem to fit with facts I have.
>
>I would be so appreciative of details contained in the Marriage Index for this
>couple -- of course, it is possible that this Hannah Peregrine is not the right
>Hannah.
>
>Thank you all for any help in this matter.
>
>P. J. Poynter
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Hi Phil,
Thanks very much for the help, I'll have to locate a list of pubs for Carmarthen, I already have for Llanelli as originally I thought they were from there. As to your Elizabeth Griffiths, I'll have to get back to you on that one.
Regards, Su
Hello,
Awhile back, my mom's cousin in Wales sent me all the information she had
found on the Hughes family. Unfortunately, I haven't yet been able to find
anyone online who connects to this family. I'm hoping that perhaps someone
on the mailing list might recognize some of these names/surnames. If so,
please let me know.
Here is my line;
Hugh Thomas b. 1634
/
Hugh Thomas b. 1673 m. Ann Samuel (29.6.1734)
/
Hugh Thomas b. 1735 m. Deborah
/
Thomas Hugh b. 9.4.1749 m. Mary Jenkin (5.12.1788)
/
Thomas Hughes b. 1791, Llanelly, m. Margaret Thomas b. 1795
/
Thomas Hughes b. 8.4.1832 m. Mary Jones (b. 28.6.1834,
Llangathen) (married in December 1854)
/
Thomas Evan Hughes marries Hannah Tucker
They have the following children; Thomas Evan, Thomas John, Evan Charles, &
Mary Elizabeth.
If anyone has any information regarding this family, please let me know.
Thank-you!
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Hello all im after some help im trying to find out more about the Fulford family. William Fulford is lving in cylwrfa cottage with his family in 1851 but i dont know where he or his wife mary ann were born or married. Thanks for any help with this family from sandra.
Congratulations Pauline on another fine achievement I would be so pleased
if you came across any of my Hugglestone ancestors?
Best wishes - Rosemary
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From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@btinternet.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:16 AM
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Cmn-L] Llandingat 1851 census
Hi
I know that some have been waiting for this census to become available to
locate family.....I have finished indexing this, so would you please resend
your past requests....
Pauline James
Carmarthenshire FHS
http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk
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Hi Jacky,
It's possible that details of your Thomas Davies are held by the Post Office
Archives in London, who have records going back to 1831 for Appointments and
1719 for Pensions and Gratuities! (Royal Mail was part of the Post Office
until several years ago). Unfortunately they may not provide a search service
- at least they didn't 3 years ago when I visited to check out my grandmother
who had been a temporary postwoman during World War One - but if you want to
contact them their email address is heritage(a)postoffice.co.uk. In case that's
out of date their address is :-
Post Office Heritage
Freeling House
Phoenix Place
London
WC1X 0DL.
I think I found the information on their holdings via Genuki.
Hope this helps,
Yvonne
Dear Listers,
Here is an article written by my father -in -law Ford Thoms on Spring in the tiny outport of Boyd's Cove in the thirties and forties. Ford celebrated his 79th birthday in January and is currently preparing for another busy season on the farm. Hope you all enjoy!
Maureen Thoms
Boyd's Cove
SPRING
It's Spring, the season of hope and new beginnings - the annual miracle of the year will soon awaken and come to pass. The scad snow that was with us this winter will soon disappear - the air will become warm and balmy, and again the mating songs of the birds will be heard. It is a source of amazement when we think of the icy tomb since December will stir and through an incredible process will emerge as beautiful butterflies. There will be a massive resurrection of countless billions of dormant seeds and roots. The lowly yellow dandelions will once again grace the edge of the highways - tiny petals of the bluebells will emerge in the damp shaded woodlands.
I remember when spring came to our little village back in the thirties and early forties. After the ice had moved out of the harbour the whole community could be liken to a disturbed beehive. From first daylight to dusk could be heard the tap-tap of the caulking irons as the boats were made ready for the water. With block and tackle schooners were hauled down on their beam ends, their bottoms, covered with the slushy sea weeds and encrusted with barnacles, were scraped clean and given a coat copper paint or coal tar. Day by day there was the sound of hammer and axe as new wharves were being built or old ones repaired. Flakes for drying cod were repaired and added too. To see so much to do it was necessary if possible to do a half dozen jobs all at the same time. There was the garden rails and pickets to rind- fences to be repaired. Stable manure to be taken by horse and cart and spread over the grassland. In a month or so the sun-blessed meadows would be lush with clover and!
timothy, and sprinkled with ox-eyed daisies as a result of this pungent mixture. Punt loads of kelp to be cut from the rock along the seashore for the potato ground. Sheep to be sheared, goats to be yoked and hens to be spanned.
All around the sound of new life - the bleating of lambs - cry of the nimble goats, the calves the foals frolicking and leaping just for the joy of being alive.
The huge cast-iron cauldrons known as the bark-pot was again sit -up on the beach. Fired by driftwood, the tea like brew of spruce buds bubbled and simmered and made ready to bark the cotton nets and cod traps. On seeing the bearded fisherman stirring the heady mixture in the huge pots one was reminded of hungry cannibals preparing a captive for dinner.
Ones sense of smell was attuned to the odours that wafted on the warm spring air - the smell of tar, paint, oakum, pitch, cutch- the smell of the sea and the beach and of barked linnet drying on the net poles.
Now that spring was here school was a dreadful bore and one felt that Saturday would never come. At four o'clock we bolted out of school like souls released from purgatory. Making a run over the copy-pans and getting your boots full of icy water was more interesting than that awful long division. Down at the brook for trout and whitefish - stumbling on the slippery rocks and falling face and eyes into the brook was more exciting than learning that silly hygiene that would have you wash your hands before eating.
The old saying that one would feel much better when we shed the winter slough and go out into the warm sunshine still holds true. It brings to mind the words of the prophet in holy writ, which goes something like this: " And the infirm shall leap for joy, and old people shall dream dreams." Surely that prophet, among other things, must have had the spring of the year in mind.
Ford Thoms
Boyd's Cove, Newfoundland
Hekko Anne,
I think that we may have some answers.
First of all was the person living in Clyn ystyn a John Thomas? Was the
person named Lewis called David or, do you know if the Lewis you refer to
could be related to David Lewis? Did the Henry living in Abercasin vach live
near to the Lewis family? Was there a John
Morgans in the Bolahoil family?
I am sure that we have found something useful and the good news is that
there is the chance of finding more information about these properties in
the CRO.
Looking forward to receiving your comments.
Regards
Peter Stringer
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To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Drefach
> Hello Peter,
> Thanks very much for contacting me. So far, I have identified the
following
> addresses and families all around the 1840 -50 period.
>
> The Henry family lived in Abercasin Vach (a cottage);
> The Lewis family in Gelly Glyd, and possibly a relative lived in Clyn
Ysting
> (both cottages I believe);
> The Morgans in a farm called Bolahoil (I believe this still exists today).
>
> I understand Gelly Glyd is situated on what is now Mary Street. Abercasin
> Vach may have been on the opposite side of the same road.
>
> Many thanks for your help.
> Best wishes,
> Anne.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Stringer" <yfran(a)globalnet.co.uk>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Drefach
>
>
> > Hello Anne,
> >
> > I think I might have some material of interest to you. Can you please
let
> > us know of the name of the property(original name) you are referring to
> and
> > what sort of property - e.g farm, cottage, house
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Peter Stringer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anne Powell" <anne_powell(a)ntlworld.com>
> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:40 PM
> > Subject: [Cmn-L] Drefach
> >
> >
> > > Hello again,
> > >
> > > I'm after any pointers to books which may contain information about
> > Drefach; or other record holdings.
> > >
> > > Over Easter I visited Llanarthne believing several of my families
lived
> > there between 1840 and 1850. I would like to say an enormous thank you
to
> > Tom and Delyth Jones (authors of Llanarthne Past and Present); their
> friend
> > who lives in Drefach; and the lady at the post office in Llanarthne.
> Thanks
> > to their help I now know that my relatives lived in Drefach. I even
> managed
> > to see one of my ancestors houses (now renamed). I feel deeply moved
that
> > all of these people were prepared to give up their time to help out a
> > complete stranger. Many, many thanks.
> > >
> > > If anyone is able to suggest sources of info about the village, I
would
> be
> > extremely grateful.
> > > Many thanks,
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I have searched the IGI for marriage of David Williams to Hannah Unknown
about 1826 to 1830.
David was b. Abt 1807 Llanfynydd, Carmarthen Co. (Per 1881 Census).
I found a marriage of David William to Hannah Peregrine dated 28 Dec. 1826 in
Llanfynydd, Carm. Wales, that does seem to fit with facts I have.
I would be so appreciative of details contained in the Marriage Index for this
couple -- of course, it is possible that this Hannah Peregrine is not the right
Hannah.
Thank you all for any help in this matter.
P. J. Poynter
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To: <MIDMARCH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday 04 2003 10:17 PM
Subject: [MM] An interesting book
I've just bought a book which might be of interest to anyone researching
agricultural
families in the border area of Monmouthshire, Herefordshire, and
Breconshire.
Unfortunately there's no ISBN on the book and I can't find it in either the
British
Library, Newport Library or Hereford Library catalogues so it might not be
easy to obtain
via interlibrary loan. Perhaps somebody in the area might know more about
the Society?
It's called "Craftsmen at Monnowside 1867-1980", by Sheila E M Parry and
it's the history
of the Pandy and Monnowside Ploughing and Agricultural Society. It was
published by the
Society in 1980.
Although many of the names mentioned in the text are probably the farmers
(landowners) and
committee, at the back are lists of those who won the various competitions
over the years.
Some of these were for servants of subscribers so the entries show some
detail, eg
from 1907- "John Jones, servant to Mr R Parry, Great Hunt House,
Walterstone".
There are other names included, such as the mention of a James Seaborn, who
lived at
Llwygee, Cwmyoy, aged about 65, who was killed by a train on the way home
from the hedging
competition in 1873, or the debate in 1879 about whether William Preece, who
ploughed a
short furrow at the end of his work, whould have been disqualified (the view
of Mr Thos.
Rogers, The Field Farm Hereford) or given a prize since his ridge was the
best in the
class (the view of Mr Robert Davies of Manachty).
There's also items which I think are of interest because they give a picture
of the life
of our ancestors - such as an account of the difficulties trying to cross
the ford at
Longtown for the 1876 match owing to the 'great flood', or the interference
with
competitors' ploughs the night before the 1874 competition (!), or this
account of the
"Rustic Sports" held at a neighbouring ploughing match (about 1870):-
"First a race was run by four women, the first prize being 12 yards of
calico, the gift of
Mr. Edward Price, draper. The second race was run by three women for a
dress, the gift of
the club. The third race was for half a pound of tea and two pounds of
sugar, the gift of
Mr.Martin, grocer, for which four women ran. Then came a race by six little
girls for a
pair of brass candlesticks, the gift of Mr. James, ironmonger. Afterwards
prizes of tea
and tobacco (the gift of Mr. Moore, grocer, Grosmont;) and toys were
competed for. Next
followed a highly amusing race by a shoemaker and several tailors for a
ready-made
waistcoat, the gift of Mr. Watkins, tailor. The prize (which was worth 8s.)
was won by the
shoemaker.
The concluding race was for a pig valued at £1, run for by 14 men, who had
paid an
entrance fee of 6d. each. The animal was let loose on the crack of a whip,
and made
capital running before he was captured. Passing through two meadows in
succession he
reached the road and kept ahead before an eager crowd of something like 200
men and boys,
in full view for at least a mile. He then crossed four farms, and made his
way through
field, wood and dingle, until he reached Danygraig house. Here the prey was
captured,
although not run down, being caught by the leg while making its way through
a fence. The
chase altogether excited great amusement." [Not for the pig, I'm sure!]
If I find anything else specifically of family history relevance (such as
the Seaborn
death) I'll post the details but obviously I can't post a lot since it's
still in
copyright.
Regards
Barbara Griffiths
Coventry UK
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Hi,
I am trying to find out when my Thomas Davies died. I know that it was in
the 1930s. My only clue is that he was working for the Royal Mail service
and that he died as a result of an accident on the Llanstephan Road. I was
wondering if the Royal Mail service kept records of such things or if it
would have be recorded in the newspapers of the time.
Any little hint about where to look would be greatly appreciated. I have yet
to look up the BMD as the search would have to be over 10 years and I am
looking for a Davies. Not practical.
TIA
Jacky
1087
Hello Peter,
Thanks very much for contacting me. So far, I have identified the following
addresses and families all around the 1840 -50 period.
The Henry family lived in Abercasin Vach (a cottage);
The Lewis family in Gelly Glyd, and possibly a relative lived in Clyn Ysting
(both cottages I believe);
The Morgans in a farm called Bolahoil (I believe this still exists today).
I understand Gelly Glyd is situated on what is now Mary Street. Abercasin
Vach may have been on the opposite side of the same road.
Many thanks for your help.
Best wishes,
Anne.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Stringer" <yfran(a)globalnet.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Drefach
> Hello Anne,
>
> I think I might have some material of interest to you. Can you please let
> us know of the name of the property(original name) you are referring to
and
> what sort of property - e.g farm, cottage, house
>
> Regards
>
> Peter Stringer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne Powell" <anne_powell(a)ntlworld.com>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:40 PM
> Subject: [Cmn-L] Drefach
>
>
> > Hello again,
> >
> > I'm after any pointers to books which may contain information about
> Drefach; or other record holdings.
> >
> > Over Easter I visited Llanarthne believing several of my families lived
> there between 1840 and 1850. I would like to say an enormous thank you to
> Tom and Delyth Jones (authors of Llanarthne Past and Present); their
friend
> who lives in Drefach; and the lady at the post office in Llanarthne.
Thanks
> to their help I now know that my relatives lived in Drefach. I even
managed
> to see one of my ancestors houses (now renamed). I feel deeply moved that
> all of these people were prepared to give up their time to help out a
> complete stranger. Many, many thanks.
> >
> > If anyone is able to suggest sources of info about the village, I would
be
> extremely grateful.
> > Many thanks,
> > Anne Powell.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Hello again,
I'm after any pointers to books which may contain information about Drefach; or other record holdings.
Over Easter I visited Llanarthne believing several of my families lived there between 1840 and 1850. I would like to say an enormous thank you to Tom and Delyth Jones (authors of Llanarthne Past and Present); their friend who lives in Drefach; and the lady at the post office in Llanarthne. Thanks to their help I now know that my relatives lived in Drefach. I even managed to see one of my ancestors houses (now renamed). I feel deeply moved that all of these people were prepared to give up their time to help out a complete stranger. Many, many thanks.
If anyone is able to suggest sources of info about the village, I would be extremely grateful.
Many thanks,
Anne Powell.