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Hi Oliver and Anna
Richard myself and our daughter Sarah went to St Fagans Welsh Folk Museum in
Cardiff on Friday - there was a sign and building here from Ewenny Pottery -
Richard took a picture of the sign which also gave proprietors - he will
probably put this onto the web site soon under St Fagans....although out of
our area in Glamorganshire - it has buildings from all over Wales which have
been taken from their original habitat and rebuilt in St Fagans Cardiff - it
is a wonderful place to visit.
Sarah made a clay pottery jug, they were demonstrating to children and
giving them a chance to make their own wares - Sarah was asked where she was
from, and stating "Llanelli" the demonstrator also named Sarah asked
"Oh, Do you know the Quinnell Brothers" - on saying Yes, (Everyone who
follows rugby knows the Quinnell brothers) she stated that she had the most
wonderful job of claying and painting them for the pictures for the World
Cup in 1999 - that was her claim to fame......
Pauline
Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: oliver St John <oliver.stjohn(a)btinternet.com>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 29 April 2001 15:00
Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: Ewenny Pottery
>Dear Anna
>Your jug being 1902 is not a disadvantage at all: the pottery came into the
>limelight about 1900.
>I personally have no more information, but first, there are quite a few
>websites, if you ask for Ewenny, and you will have seen a message from
Peter
>Griffiths <taidg(a)netactive.co.za>, who offered more information and
>obviously is knowledgeable. I'm sure that there is lots more to be picked
up
>if you want. I got 30 hits when I asked for Ewenny Pottery. but 6 of them
>were<www.studiopottery.com>, with plenty of pictures, but there was one
>other, <www.cgi.rootsweb.com>.
>Hope this is of some help. Oliver. I am sending this via the List, with a
>copy to you direct, just in case.
>
>
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>
I got a note from Mr. Rowland in Connecticut, explaining why
the letter J "JAY" appears as the sign for the British pound in my E-mail. But
his explanation made no sense until I realized what he was
saying. Because he couldn't represent the pound sign in his message the
confusion was confounded. At last the light went on.
When someone in Britain indicates the price for something and
uses the pound sign, the "L" with the slash, it shows up in the U.S. as the
letter "JAY" since the space has to be represented by something.
I bet you folks who have the pound sign on your keyboards
couldn't figure what I was talking about, asking about the letter "J". One of
life's great mysteries has at last been solved.
BUT, mystery #2.7:
What do YOU folk get when we Yanks type a "dollar sign "
as in $41.99 (forty-one dollars and ninety-nine cents)?
Jos. Gregory
The Gregorys
Pen y Mynydd
Coed gyda Penn
(Mt. Top, Pa.)
Dear Anna
Your jug being 1902 is not a disadvantage at all: the pottery came into the
limelight about 1900.
I personally have no more information, but first, there are quite a few
websites, if you ask for Ewenny, and you will have seen a message from Peter
Griffiths <taidg(a)netactive.co.za>, who offered more information and
obviously is knowledgeable. I'm sure that there is lots more to be picked up
if you want. I got 30 hits when I asked for Ewenny Pottery. but 6 of them
were<www.studiopottery.com>, with plenty of pictures, but there was one
other, <www.cgi.rootsweb.com>.
Hope this is of some help. Oliver. I am sending this via the List, with a
copy to you direct, just in case.
To Kinney555, no use banging your head, I've tried that and it
doesn't advance your search. First of all I haven't come across a John Perkin
John. We have a John
family in our ancestry, but we are descended from
the only ancestors who left Wales for America. They were my gt.
grandparents, John Evans and his wife, Margaret Beynon
Evans. Margaret's brother, James (Where are you Jimmy Beynon?) came,
according to family legend, but we haven't yet found him yet. The search
goes on.
You say you have a death certificate. That should tell
you where he is buried and the cemetery should have more data. If
you know where he is buried, there should be an obituary in the local newspaper
which should tell you about him, his wife and his children and perhaps
grandchildren who may still be alive and the church which he attended. The
church may also have records marking the important religious events of his
life.
If he applied for citizenship, the application will say where
and when he arrived. Don't assume he arrived in New York but no matter
where he arrived unless you know the exact DAY, it is all but impossible to
find him on the passenger lists.
If he settled in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, I'd be glad to
see what I can find for you. I once thought that all immigrants from Wales came
here to work in the coal mines but it was only a third of them.
If you know where he lived, he should be on the 1900 and
perhaps 1920 censi which are available at local libraries. On the web there
are probably volunteers associated with local genealogy societies in the area
where he lived who will do free searches for you.
If I can help, let me know. Good
hunting.
Jos. Gregory
The Gregorys
Pen y Mynydd
Coed gyda Penn
(Mt. Top, Pa.)
Hi Pauline
That really is quick! - I am very impressed. Perhaps the researcher didn't
look at that one - I gave her several problems, and I think she just got fed
up. No, don't know the name of David Evans's wife, but William Evans's
children were called Mary (1854). John (1856), Jane (my gt-grandmother -
1858), Daniel (1860), Margaret (1862), Ann (1864), Gwen (1866), Gwilim (they
couldn't spell -1868) and Eliza (1871). I THINK that William's Wife
Elizabeth had a grandmother called Mary (see below), which would make
David/Jane the most likely of the marriages you list.
Elizabeth Hughes was born in Cefn-Coed-y-Cymmer, but her father Daniel came
from Llanelli; the researcher came up with a mass-baptism of HUGH boys on
17th March 1814 at St Elli's Church, and they include GEORGE (18.2.1814),
who keeps turning up in family censuses like a - to me very good and not at
all - bad identifying penny. The other boys were Rees (10.8.1794), William
(29.8.1796), David (2.3.1802), Daniel (the ancestor - 20.6.1803), Edward
(6.6.1807), John (7.8.1810), Thomas (7.8.1810) and Thomas (28.9.1812).
Parents were David Hugh and Mary.
So if I could have the marriage date and surname of the Jane married in 1814
I'd be most grateful - as also for the Anns as fall-backs. Meanwhile, many
thanks, indeed. Tony
Hi Tony
----------
>From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Evans family Llanon etc.
>Date: Sun, Apr 29, 2001, 10:50 am
>
>Hi Tony
>
>Why couldn't your researcher find a marriage in Llanon for David Evans - do
>you know the name of his wife??
>
>There are 5 marriages for a David Evans in LLanon for the following years..
>
>1814 to Jane, 1815 to Sarah, 1819 David Evans of Llandebie and Hannah,
1819
>to an Ann, 1825 David Evans of Swansea to an Ann
>
>all took place in Llanon parish church........I have the surnames of the
>spouces if you think any of the above may be yours?? There was only the
one
>of a David Evans of Llanon who married outside the parish of Llanon but
that
>was in 1835.
>
>You state that his second wife was from LLanelli, but born in Merthyr if
you
>could explain maybe I could look here in Llanelli for them....
>
>speak soon Pauline
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rees <rstrees(a)tesco.net>
>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: 28 April 2001 18:35
>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New member
>
>
>>Pauline - Below is what I've been trying to send. Seems as if I can only
>>reply, not send messages. Very odd.
>>
>>
>>S'mae - new to this list I am looking for three different ancestral
>families
>>in Carmarthenshire and, despite paying a researcher (which HURT - I have
>>Cardi blood as well) I have got nowhere with any of them, and I could do
> >with some helpful advice. Sooner than put them all in together in a g
Hi Oliver
I have microfiche for Pigots directory Wales 1822-23 but Laugharne is not
important enough to be mentioned - I also looked in Slaters South Wales
directory 1858-59, but again Laugharne was not mentioned - St Clears was but
no surname John as blacksmith.
hope this helps
Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: oliver St John <oliver.stjohn(a)btinternet.com>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 28 April 2001 19:25
Subject: [Cmn-L] Pigot's Directories- Laugharne blacksmiths
>Hi Pauline, and other Listers
>Thank you for trying, Pauline: I am glad to have a note of another smith in
>Laugharne in 1830, Richard Williams. That makes at least seven: four or
five
>Johns, a Shankland and a Williams
>I definitely have a note of a message from a lister a few months back
about
>two JOHN Smiths from Laugharne mentioned in Pigot's Directory of 1835, I
>think it was Richard and James John.
>I have searched back through the website over the months since I joined the
>list, without success. If any lister has access to the 1835 Pigot's
>Directory ( or any earlier one besides the 1830 editin), I would be very
>grateful for a lookup, particularly if there was an address or other
>details. Or information on any ther blacksmiths around that time. Thank
you.
>Oliver
>
>
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Hi Donna Brandt,
I saw your list message to Tony Rees. I too had family in Llangadock. My
connection is: John Davies (born Pencarreg) maried Elizabeth Rees (born
Llangadock) on 10 March 1858. Elizabeth's mother was Esther Rees and her
father John Rees both of Llangadock. John Davies's father was David Davies.
John Davies was my great grandfather. If this information appears to match
any of yours I will send any further information I have.
Anna Thomas
I am in Alaska, and received both the dollar sign and pound sign.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Powell" <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] AHA!
> Hi Joe
>
> I get a dollar sign. what do you get if I type a dollar sign?
> I am putting at the end og this 10 dollars followed by 20 ounds
> sterling.
> Tell me what you get.
>
> $10
> £20
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In message <412001402919128200(a)earthlink.net>, Joseph Gregory
> <nandjgregory(a)earthlink.net> writes
> >
> >I got a note from Mr. Rowland in Connecticut, explaining why
> >the letter J "JAY" appears as the sign for the British pound in my
E-mail. But
> >his explanation made no sense until I realized what he was
> >saying. Because he couldn't represent the pound sign in his message the
> >confusion was confounded. At last the light went on.
> >
> >When someone in Britain indicates the price for something and
> >uses the pound sign, the "L" with the slash, it shows up in the U.S. as
the
> >letter "JAY" since the space has to be represented by something.
> >
> >I bet you folks who have the pound sign on your keyboards
> >couldn't figure what I was talking about, asking about the letter "J".
One of
> >life's great mysteries has at last been solved.
> >
> >BUT, mystery #2.7:
> >
> >What do YOU folk get when we Yanks type a "dollar sign "
> >as in $41.99 (forty-one dollars and ninety-nine cents)?
> >
> >
> >Jos. Gregory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >The Gregorys
> >
> >Pen y Mynydd
> >
> >Coed gyda Penn
> >
> >(Mt. Top, Pa.)
> >
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Hi Tony
Why couldn't your researcher find a marriage in Llanon for David Evans - do
you know the name of his wife??
There are 5 marriages for a David Evans in LLanon for the following years..
1814 to Jane, 1815 to Sarah, 1819 David Evans of Llandebie and Hannah, 1819
to an Ann, 1825 David Evans of Swansea to an Ann
all took place in Llanon parish church........I have the surnames of the
spouces if you think any of the above may be yours?? There was only the one
of a David Evans of Llanon who married outside the parish of Llanon but that
was in 1835.
You state that his second wife was from LLanelli, but born in Merthyr if you
could explain maybe I could look here in Llanelli for them....
speak soon Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: Rees <rstrees(a)tesco.net>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 28 April 2001 18:35
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New member
>Pauline - Below is what I've been trying to send. Seems as if I can only
>reply, not send messages. Very odd.
>
>
>S'mae - new to this list I am looking for three different ancestral
families
>in Carmarthenshire and, despite paying a researcher (which HURT - I have
>Cardi blood as well) I have got nowhere with any of them, and I could do
>with some helpful advice. Sooner than put them all in together in a great
>heap, I'll stick to just one of them for now, since they all present much
>the same problems:
>
>He is William Evans, b. ca. 1824, Llannon. He married Elizabeth Hughes,
>whose family came from Llanelli (though she was born in Merthyr), at
>Pontmorlais (Wesleyan, I think) Chapel, Merthyr 12 Nov 1852. He was then
>already a widower, and in 1851, a miner, he was living at the house of John
>Davies, Grocer, of Cefn-Coed-y-Cymmer, Brecknockshire - I can't yet find
him
>in 1841 (the Cefn CRs are missing, for a start). He ended up as a grocer
>himself, but I think that was because he joined forces with my
>gt-grandfather, his son-in-law, James Henry Evans (isn't our shortage of
>surnames a PEST!) in the Rhondda.
>
>I do not know what to do now. There are so many William Evanses in the St
>C H Index that I don't think I'll be able to find his first marriage, I
>don't know what his first wife was called, so I can't get a death
>certificate for her, and he was almost certainly born a nonconformist, so I
>can't find a baptism. His father was David Evans, Labourer, but the
>researcher couldn't find a marriage in Llannon for him either. David
Evans
>- now there's a rare name to follow up! I recently found a really exotic
>ancestor in Merthyr - name of Mary Smith! No real problems there.
>
>Anyway, any (respectable) suggestions very gratefully received. Tony Rees
>
>----------
>>From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
>>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New member
>>Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2001, 5:20 pm
>>
>
>>Hi Tony
>>
>>This message came through to me loud and clear......
>>
>>I think there are some hic-cups somewhere,because I am seeing answers to
>>mail which I have not even read - the answer comes before I've seen the
>>question...so try again
>>
>>bye Pauline
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rees <rstrees(a)tesco.net>
>>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Date: 28 April 2001 15:56
>>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New member
>>
>>
>>>I am Tony Rees and I am trying to send a message for this list. Why
>can't
>>>I? Is it that I have an iMac? I can GET messages ok. T
>>>----------
>>>>From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
>>>>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New member
>>>>Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:32 am
>>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Jane
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your interests - could you please send them to the members
>>pages
>>>>too, as not all members are subscribers to the listers pages.......
>>>>
>>>>I suppose you have found the marriages for parents on your CDRom which
>>came
>>>>with membership, and other information.
>>>>
>>>>Have you viewed the Pembrey pages for census returns etc?? Joseph is at
>>>>home in 1841 - do you have this information.....the father is not there,
>>>but
>>>>he is home again by 1851 - let me know if you have this information.
>>>>
>>>>They were known as Hugh and not Hughes in the census returns as Hughes
>was
>>>>not so popular in the early 1800's...... I have the following baptism
>>which
>>>>may be your Thomas Hugh.
>>>>
>>>>15th February 1794 - Thomas Hugh son of William......
>>>>
>>>>For people with Pembrey interests there is now a CDRom of Pembrey
>>available
>>>>to purchase via Carmarthenshire FHS which has records from
>>>1701-1900........
>>>>
>>>>let me know if you have the census - if not I will give you the
>>information
>>>>from it..
>>>>
>>>>speak soon and please paste your interests to members pages too.
>>>>
>>>>Pauline
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: J Rehms <jrehms(a)iea.com>
>>>>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>Date: 17 April 2001 22:58
>>>>Subject: [Cmn-L] New member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>I've just joined the Camarthenshire FHS. Here is my list of interests:
>>>>>
>>>>>HUGHES/HUGH, Joseph
>>>>>born about 1828/1832 in Pembrey
>>>>>father: HUGHES, Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>Joseph HUGHES married Ann WILLIAMS (christened Dec 1831) at Llanelly 24
>>>>Aug,
>>>>>1855
>>>>>father: WILLIAMS, David
>>>>>mother: WILLIAM, Joyce [Choice]
>>>>>
>>>>>other WILLIAMS children of David & Joyce
>>>>>William christened Feb 1826
>>>>>Hugh christened Jan 1828
>>>>>Thomas christened Jan 1830
>>>>>Mary christened July 1834
>>>>>John christened April 1836
>>>>>Walter christened July 1838
>>>>>Elizabeth christened March 1841
>>>>>Richard christened June 1843
>>>>>Frances christened Dec 1845
>>>>>
>>>>>All WILLIAMS children christened in Pembrey; sometimes listed as
WILLIAM
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd really like to find more information on Joseph HUGHES and his
>>parents.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you,
>>>>>Jane Rehms
>>>>>
>>>>>Member #3590
>>>>>J. Rehms
>>>>>Green Bluff, WA USA
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Hi Pat and John
It's okay, I do have 1891 census of Merthyr Tydvil, just though if you had
it, two of us looking is better than one.
I'll have a more thorough look tomorrow, there are so many David Davies
there, and if he changed his age from census to census he could be
anywhere....
Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Powell <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 28 April 2001 19:45
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Davies in Merthyr Tydfil
>HI Pauline _ and John
>
>Sorry I don't have Merthyr Tydfil 1891 - I only have glam 1851 and 1841
>and the UK 1881.
>I have occasionally looked up Merthyr 1891 for others in my local
>reference library when I was searching it for my own links.
>I can keep a note for the next time I am "wandering through" merthyr in
>1891 - but have no idea when that is likely to be.
>
>
>Sorry
>
>Pat
>
>
>
>In message <008501c0d000$fb3e10a0$293a7ad5@366p>, Pauline James
><paulinejames(a)btinternet.com> writes
>>Hi John
>>
>>Thanks for joining the list, I'm now asking if Pat can assist
>>
>> - message for Pat
>>
>>Pat, do you have 1891 census for Merthyr Tydvil - I could not locate the
>>right ones, but as we know being named David Davies does not help......
>>
>>Although John states that David Davies was a puddler in 1881 the one I
have
>>from 237 Pendarren Road states that he was a labourer in a
>>coalmine........different occupations altogether...
>>
>>Let me know if you have this census, if not I'll see if I can locate the
>>correct ones this time, the nearest I had with named children was a widow
>>named Elizabeth - could not find a match with David Davies .....but then
>>perhaps I was having a bad day.
>>
>>thanks Pauline
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Davies <Jcadavies(a)btinternet.com>
>>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Date: 27 April 2001 23:08
>>Subject: [Cmn-L] Davies in Merthyr Tydfil
>>
>>
>>>Hi, I am trying to obtain information about my ggrandfather David Davies.
>>He was born in Kidwelly 23 June 1842 but he is listed as being 36 in 1881
>>and, as he could not read or write, i believe this may be a mistake. His
>>wife Elizabeth is also shown as aged 36 but she was born in Pater
(Pembroke
>>Dock) in 4th Quarter 1844. She also could not read or write. According to
>>the 1881 census he is the only one to fit the data i have. He (David and
>>family) resided at 237 Penydarren Road Merthyr Tydfil in the 1881 census.
He
>>married Elizabeth Isitt in March 1865 at the Zion church in Twwynyrodyn
M.T.
>>The children from the marriage were, in the 1881 census), Elizabeth Ann
aged
>>13; John aged 11 (my grandfather); David aged 9 and Catherine aged 7. I
am
>>positive that this is the family because we knew my grandfather John was
>>born in MT in 1870 between dec 1869 and june 1870; his birth cert shows
him
>>as being born 23 Feb 1870. David was alive in 1900 bacause he attended my
>>grandfathers w!
>>>edding in June at Vaynor church. David was a puddler in 1881 and in June
>>1900 my grandfathers wedding cert shows David to be a 'Roller'. Could
anyone
>>please try and locate this family, in MT in the 1891 census, i believe
that
>>237 Penydarren road did not exist in 1891.
>>>Many thanks for any help.
>>>John
>>>
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>
>
>
Hello Tony Rees,
I'll be waiting to see what you've found and have questions about on
your Rees line. Perhaps of the Glamorgan/Carmarthenshire areas as my Rees'
are (Merthyr Tydfil & Llangadock). I've got a few Davies and Evans attached
to the Rees, but none of the same you mentioned.
Good luck,
Donna Wendt donwen(a)aol.com in North Carolina.
> . " Sooner than put them all in together in a great
> heap, I'll stick to just one of them for now, since they all present much
> the same problems:" ......Tony Rees
>
>
Hi Joseph,
Thank you for the translation.
No, Robert Rowlands of Maryland is no relation so far as I know. My
family seemed to bounce back and forth using the S or not. If you look
in the GRO index, you will probably find 10 times or so as many Rowland
as Rowlands. My John ancestors added the s to become Johns once they
came to America.
In the US, Rowland is an uncommon, but certainly not rare name.
Sherwood Rowland, the atmospheric chemist at UCalif. Irvine, must be the
most distinguished, with a Nobel Prize to his claim. The governor of my
state is John Rowland , who could be a national political figure in a
few years (and in a small world- my mother-in-law's mother worked for
John's father for years). My father met John Rowland a few years ago-
at the time he indicated that his family came from England, not Wales
(so someone wandered over the border...). At least since he became
governor, more people can spell and pronounce the name- many Americans
(half?) leave out the W (Roland) or else sound Row like cow. Some even
try Rolland.
As for the J vs. £ problem- US computer keyboards don't have the £
sign. US Symbol font doesn't either, for reasons I can not fathom. So,
if you want £, you have to back out all the way to the character map and
copy it in. I'm sure at that point it is laziness for some, ignorance
for others. In any event, it isn't easy.
Bob Rowland
Hi Pauline, and other Listers
Thank you for trying, Pauline: I am glad to have a note of another smith in
Laugharne in 1830, Richard Williams. That makes at least seven: four or five
Johns, a Shankland and a Williams
I definitely have a note of a message from a lister a few months back about
two JOHN Smiths from Laugharne mentioned in Pigot's Directory of 1835, I
think it was Richard and James John.
I have searched back through the website over the months since I joined the
list, without success. If any lister has access to the 1835 Pigot's
Directory ( or any earlier one besides the 1830 editin), I would be very
grateful for a lookup, particularly if there was an address or other
details. Or information on any ther blacksmiths around that time. Thank you.
Oliver
Pauline - Below is what I've been trying to send. Seems as if I can only
reply, not send messages. Very odd.
S'mae - new to this list I am looking for three different ancestral families
in Carmarthenshire and, despite paying a researcher (which HURT - I have
Cardi blood as well) I have got nowhere with any of them, and I could do
with some helpful advice. Sooner than put them all in together in a great
heap, I'll stick to just one of them for now, since they all present much
the same problems:
He is William Evans, b. ca. 1824, Llannon. He married Elizabeth Hughes,
whose family came from Llanelli (though she was born in Merthyr), at
Pontmorlais (Wesleyan, I think) Chapel, Merthyr 12 Nov 1852. He was then
already a widower, and in 1851, a miner, he was living at the house of John
Davies, Grocer, of Cefn-Coed-y-Cymmer, Brecknockshire - I can't yet find him
in 1841 (the Cefn CRs are missing, for a start). He ended up as a grocer
himself, but I think that was because he joined forces with my
gt-grandfather, his son-in-law, James Henry Evans (isn't our shortage of
surnames a PEST!) in the Rhondda.
I do not know what to do now. There are so many William Evanses in the St
C H Index that I don't think I'll be able to find his first marriage, I
don't know what his first wife was called, so I can't get a death
certificate for her, and he was almost certainly born a nonconformist, so I
can't find a baptism. His father was David Evans, Labourer, but the
researcher couldn't find a marriage in Llannon for him either. David Evans
- now there's a rare name to follow up! I recently found a really exotic
ancestor in Merthyr - name of Mary Smith! No real problems there.
Anyway, any (respectable) suggestions very gratefully received. Tony Rees
----------
>From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New member
>Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2001, 5:20 pm
>
>Hi Tony
>
>This message came through to me loud and clear......
>
>I think there are some hic-cups somewhere,because I am seeing answers to
>mail which I have not even read - the answer comes before I've seen the
>question...so try again
>
>bye Pauline
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rees <rstrees(a)tesco.net>
>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: 28 April 2001 15:56
>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New member
>
>
>>I am Tony Rees and I am trying to send a message for this list. Why
can't
>>I? Is it that I have an iMac? I can GET messages ok. T
>>----------
>>>From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
>>>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] New member
>>>Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:32 am
>>>
>>
>>>Hi Jane
>>>
>>>Thanks for your interests - could you please send them to the members
>pages
>>>too, as not all members are subscribers to the listers pages.......
>>>
>>>I suppose you have found the marriages for parents on your CDRom which
>came
>>>with membership, and other information.
>>>
>>>Have you viewed the Pembrey pages for census returns etc?? Joseph is at
>>>home in 1841 - do you have this information.....the father is not there,
>>but
>>>he is home again by 1851 - let me know if you have this information.
>>>
>>>They were known as Hugh and not Hughes in the census returns as Hughes
was
>>>not so popular in the early 1800's...... I have the following baptism
>which
>>>may be your Thomas Hugh.
>>>
>>>15th February 1794 - Thomas Hugh son of William......
>>>
>>>For people with Pembrey interests there is now a CDRom of Pembrey
>available
>>>to purchase via Carmarthenshire FHS which has records from
>>1701-1900........
>>>
>>>let me know if you have the census - if not I will give you the
>information
>>>from it..
>>>
>>>speak soon and please paste your interests to members pages too.
>>>
>>>Pauline
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: J Rehms <jrehms(a)iea.com>
>>>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>Date: 17 April 2001 22:58
>>>Subject: [Cmn-L] New member
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>I've just joined the Camarthenshire FHS. Here is my list of interests:
>>>>
>>>>HUGHES/HUGH, Joseph
>>>>born about 1828/1832 in Pembrey
>>>>father: HUGHES, Thomas
>>>>
>>>>Joseph HUGHES married Ann WILLIAMS (christened Dec 1831) at Llanelly 24
>>>Aug,
>>>>1855
>>>>father: WILLIAMS, David
>>>>mother: WILLIAM, Joyce [Choice]
>>>>
>>>>other WILLIAMS children of David & Joyce
>>>>William christened Feb 1826
>>>>Hugh christened Jan 1828
>>>>Thomas christened Jan 1830
>>>>Mary christened July 1834
>>>>John christened April 1836
>>>>Walter christened July 1838
>>>>Elizabeth christened March 1841
>>>>Richard christened June 1843
>>>>Frances christened Dec 1845
>>>>
>>>>All WILLIAMS children christened in Pembrey; sometimes listed as WILLIAM
>>>>
>>>>I'd really like to find more information on Joseph HUGHES and his
>parents.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you,
>>>>Jane Rehms
>>>>
>>>>Member #3590
>>>>J. Rehms
>>>>Green Bluff, WA USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ====
>>>>Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot
>>>find - Contact - PeterWihl(a)compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the
>>>Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ====
>>>Carmarthenshire FHS Services:
>>>Tel: 01554-777785
>>>http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>Carmarthenshire FHS can be contacted by telephone: 01554-784875
>>Only general enquiries please, No research or lookups by carried out on
the
>telephone.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ====
>Pembrey, Llanelly & Kidwelly Historical Society's
>http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk
>
>
Hello listers
just wondered if anyone has any links on the following family;
ROBERT THOMAS and CATHERINE HUMPHREYS(nee
DAVIES) had 5 children
1. THOMAS (my grandfather) Born 6th July 1895 @ PANTYRHEDIN, RHANDIR, GANAL, LLANDOVERY
2. EDWARD( known as Teddy,wentto Australia)
3.ROBERT
4.GOMER
5.SARAN
Any info greatly accepted(please)
does anyone know when robert and catherine were married or born?
many thanks in advance
joanne newbery (in a soggy, but sunny manchester!)
Mr. Osterbeck, if you wanted to do a whole year's worth of
kindness, you could type up the whole passenger list and submit it to IMMIGRANT
SHIPS.
JOS. GREGORY
The Gregorys
Pen y Mynydd
Coed gyda Penn
(Mt. Top, Pa.)
Tony Rees, "Don't give up the ship" or is that an American
expression, on you Evans family connections. Things could be much worse, you
could be looking for someone named David Jones.
I started my search on a wild guess that my Evanses were in
Wales in 1881. A kind soul on the Durham exchange found the whole gang even
though I had given her the wrong name for my gt. grandmother.
Coordinating my feeble efforts with a cousin in Delaware, who
I found on the web looking for info on the same folk, and with data
supplied by Pauline, Richard, Pat Powell and others, I have learned more
about my ancestors than I ever hoped to know and as a bonus have found a
cousin in Kidwelly that we never knew existed.
My Evan/Evans/Beynon/John families belong to the group
that NEVER kept records, letters or family Bibles and religiously NEVER wrote
the names of the subjects in any photographs. Because my gt. grandfather
never applied for citizenship, we don't know when they sailed for America. All
we know is that they were in Aberdare when the census was taken on 3 April 1881
and were in America on 5 Aug. 1884 when their 5th child was
born.
So hang in there, and the nice folk on the Carms. FHS will
come through for you as well with more info than you can imagine (even if they
talk with a funny accent).
And remember, we can't even SEE Wales from
here!
Jos. Gregory
The Gregorys
Pen y Mynydd
Coed gyda Penn
(Mt. Top, Pa.)
Hi John
Thanks for joining the list, I'm now asking if Pat can assist
- message for Pat
Pat, do you have 1891 census for Merthyr Tydvil - I could not locate the
right ones, but as we know being named David Davies does not help......
Although John states that David Davies was a puddler in 1881 the one I have
from 237 Pendarren Road states that he was a labourer in a
coalmine........different occupations altogether...
Let me know if you have this census, if not I'll see if I can locate the
correct ones this time, the nearest I had with named children was a widow
named Elizabeth - could not find a match with David Davies .....but then
perhaps I was having a bad day.
thanks Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: John Davies <Jcadavies(a)btinternet.com>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 27 April 2001 23:08
Subject: [Cmn-L] Davies in Merthyr Tydfil
>Hi, I am trying to obtain information about my ggrandfather David Davies.
He was born in Kidwelly 23 June 1842 but he is listed as being 36 in 1881
and, as he could not read or write, i believe this may be a mistake. His
wife Elizabeth is also shown as aged 36 but she was born in Pater (Pembroke
Dock) in 4th Quarter 1844. She also could not read or write. According to
the 1881 census he is the only one to fit the data i have. He (David and
family) resided at 237 Penydarren Road Merthyr Tydfil in the 1881 census. He
married Elizabeth Isitt in March 1865 at the Zion church in Twwynyrodyn M.T.
The children from the marriage were, in the 1881 census), Elizabeth Ann aged
13; John aged 11 (my grandfather); David aged 9 and Catherine aged 7. I am
positive that this is the family because we knew my grandfather John was
born in MT in 1870 between dec 1869 and june 1870; his birth cert shows him
as being born 23 Feb 1870. David was alive in 1900 bacause he attended my
grandfathers w!
>edding in June at Vaynor church. David was a puddler in 1881 and in June
1900 my grandfathers wedding cert shows David to be a 'Roller'. Could anyone
please try and locate this family, in MT in the 1891 census, i believe that
237 Penydarren road did not exist in 1891.
>Many thanks for any help.
>John
>
>
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