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Hi Brenda
When you find out more information we'll be glad to assist if we can....
I know of a person researching the name Parsons from Swansea, also myself
seeking Parsons from Warwick England. (my grandmother was an Amy Harriet
Parsons)
regards Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: Brenda Koster <bkoster(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 29 October 2001 23:23
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Quiet list
>Hello Pauline,
>
>As the list is quiet, I thought I'd post my interest in Carmarthenshire.
On
>the 1881 census for Chatham, Kent, my ggrandmother is stated as having been
>born in Carmarthen. Her name was Mary (maiden name unknown at present),
>aged 54, married to James Clark, aged 60, from Essex. They had one
daughter,
>that I know of, also named Mary, born c1860 in Chatham. She married my
>grandfather, George Parsons. I'm about to set proceedings in motion for a
>search for their death certificates, in order to obtain more detailed
>information regarding names and places of birth (and hopefully marriage).
>So, you see, I have an interest in Carmarthen, but, alas, not enough
>information to even ask a simple question!
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Brenda
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
>To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:38 AM
>Subject: [Cmn-L] Quiet list
>
>
>> Is my server not working??......I cannot believe that we had one whole
day
>> without an e-mail.....don't think that has happened before......
>>
>> Does anyone have any questions, want a reply - just ask and I'll see if I
>> can locate them in my databases.......
>>
>> Although I am busy indexing I still have time to look in the indexes - it
>> breaks the monotony - and gives me an excuse to stop for a while......
>>
>> regards Pauline
>>
>>
>>
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>Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot
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Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database
>
>
Hi Kathryn
Carmarthenshire fhs web page has a list of bride and groom marriages - is
this the web page you need:
http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk
Unsure of the actual size of Llanfair ar y bryn parish - there are 1053 male
marriages between the years of 1754-1837.....
According to the records available on Llanfair ar y bryn the chirstenings
between the years of 1735-1862 are on the IGI - you should be able to view
these on the IGI on line - for this web page you will find a direct link
from Carmarthenshire fhs web pages......
Let me know how you get on, or if you need further assistance, be glad to
assist
Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: KathrynBronte(a)aol.com <KathrynBronte(a)aol.com>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 30 October 2001 01:38
Subject: [Cmn-L] Daniel Jones b Llanfair ar y Bryn circa 1798?
>Dear Pauline ,
>Having got stusk with John Thomas b 1797, I have traced back another branch
>of my family from Llangammarch and find that my great great garndfather was
a
>Daniel Jones b in LLanfair ar y Bryn circa 1798.
>On the 1850 census for Llangammarch he is living at Caemawr, gives his age
>as 52 and Llanfair ar y bryn as his birthplace. My husband says LLanfair is
a
>small place...is there any possibility of tracing his birth? His wife was
>born at Caemawr so Ishould be able to work back there too!! She was much
>younger...32 to his 52 !
>
>I found a wonderful site for the Welsh Bishops transcripts and the grooms
and
>brides lists were on it.... but I have lost track of how I got to it.
>
>I would be so grateful for any help re Daniel....thank you for the weddings
>in which you found a John and a Sarah. I am still working on that!!
>
>Diolch o galon!!
>Kathryn
>
>
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>
>
Hello Wil
What year were the children born - it would give some idea as to when the
marriage took place, if it was pre 1837 I could look in my indexes......if
after this but prior 1849 I would need bride's full name ....
Between the years of 1813-75 in Llanddarog parish church there is not one
Morris baptism.....were this family always non-conformists??
Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: W.H.Thomas <wthomas(a)clear.net.nz>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 31 October 2001 07:35
Subject: [Cmn-L] Researching ancestors
>Since there appears to be a lull in the Cml I would appreciate any help in
>tracing the birth certificate and wedding records of my GGrandfafher. David
>Morris was born in 1811 at Llanddarog. Originally a Farmer and laterly a
>weaver at Carmarthen.
>He had five children namely- Marie,Margaret, Jane (my Grandmother),Dafydd
>and finally Sam. He was active in the Waterst Methodist Church where he was
>buried in1877.His wife Margaret(my GGrandmother) is also buried in the same
>burual ground. I am seeking their Marriage Cert. and his Birth cert.
>I'd be grateful for any help.
>
> Wil Thomas (wthomas(a)clear.net.nz)
>
>
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>
HI Marianne
We'll try to go and look at this the next fine day........
Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Mitchell <manneileen(a)yahoo.com.au>
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 30 October 2001 23:05
Subject: [Cmn-L] Quiet list
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
> Whilst the list is this quiet I was wondering if I
>could make a strange request, my father tells me that
>his grandparents are buried at Hermon Baptist church
>Llannon, apparently they are in a vault outside the
>door of the church. If I have the right family from
>the 1881 census Penlan, Llanedy, their names are
>William Thomas and Hannah? my grandfathers name was
>Griffith John Thomas (buried Llwynteg,Llannon 1965)
>Does anyone have any details? or could someone check
>for me. Dads memory isn't the best and he has no idea
>of his grandparents names, but he does remember
>playing around the graves as a child and being told
>which grave belonged to the family.
> Any help would be greatfully received as the Thomas
>side is impossible to follow without a lead.
> TIA
> Marianne Mitchell #3530
>
>
>
>> Does anyone have any questions, want a reply - just
>> ask and I'll see if I
>> can locate them in my databases.......
>>
>> Although I am busy indexing I still have time to
>> look in the indexes - it
>> breaks the monotony - and gives me an excuse to stop
>> for a while......
>>
>> regards Pauline
>
>
>
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>
>
Hi Pauline.
I agree, took me 10 years to find Reverand Rees in Monmouthshire, and even
though the Evans family have been difficult, you made a drastic in road when
you found William and Ann in Lanybri in the 1851 cencus, and a lister may
have found him in 1841 age 15 which is proberbly 19 on a farm Llaquefawr???,
something like that.
I have 2 B/C for their adopted son but untill i can find the relation ship
between them i can't be sure of the mother both unmarried, family confirms he
was illigitamate.
Thats why i was hoping to find snr Williams family, oh! well, i have gotten
some where a lot more than a lot of listers with this common name.
Bye for now Sylvia
----- Original Message -----
From: KATE ROGERS
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:51 PM
Subject: Sardis church Betlehem
Am looking for for information or records of the Sardis church in Bethlehem in the years 1820 to 1865. Family of William Thomas married to Elizabeth Jones. Children born Elizabeth in 1822, Rachael 1823? David 1829, John 1826, Mary 1827, Margaret 1829, Ann 1831, Hannah 1833, Elimor 1834, Dinah 1836, Ester 1839, Gwenny ??,All children baptised there. Father William died 1863 and was burried there possibly. He had a large tombsone that was duplicated in Emporia Kansas USA where his wife died. Family lived at LLwyndu farm.
I will be very grateful for any help.
Thank you in advance
Kate
Hi Kathryn,
My name is Arapata Tregerthen, I live in New Zealand, and I have been trying to find information about my GG Grand father, Anthony Tregerthen, he was the Harbour Master in Llanelly in 1826 to 1844, he married Mary David Thomas, and they had 11 children.
Kindest regards
Arapata
----- Original Message -----
From: KathrynBronte(a)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 14:38
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Cmn-L] Daniel Jones b Llanfair ar y Bryn circa 1798?
Dear Pauline ,
Having got stusk with John Thomas b 1797, I have traced back another branch
of my family from Llangammarch and find that my great great garndfather was a
Daniel Jones b in LLanfair ar y Bryn circa 1798.
On the 1850 census for Llangammarch he is living at Caemawr, gives his age
as 52 and Llanfair ar y bryn as his birthplace. My husband says LLanfair is a
small place...is there any possibility of tracing his birth? His wife was
born at Caemawr so Ishould be able to work back there too!! She was much
younger...32 to his 52 !
I found a wonderful site for the Welsh Bishops transcripts and the grooms and
brides lists were on it.... but I have lost track of how I got to it.
I would be so grateful for any help re Daniel....thank you for the weddings
in which you found a John and a Sarah. I am still working on that!!
Diolch o galon!!
Kathryn
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Hi Oliver,
Can't remember if I thanked you for your mailing.
Old age again !!!
Anyway, thanks for your time, it is appreciated.
Bernard
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From: oliver St John [mailto:oliver.stjohn@btinternet.com]
Sent: 27 October 2001 08:14
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Why a Workhouse ?
Hi Pauline and Bernard
I looked to see what the OUD said:' A house established for the provision of
work for the unemployed poor of the Parish. later, an institution
administered by the Guardians of the Poor, in which paupers were lodged, and
able-bodied set to work."
Before the days of the Welfare State, and I am talking from personal
experience of the early 1930's, the Workhouse was the final safety-net for
those who could not fend for themselves. It was a place with the most basic
facilities, almost reminiscent of the refugee camps. of which we see too
many these days, No, I was not an inmate, but as a very small boy, I
accompanied my mother, particularlyat times like Christmas, trying to bring
some small degree of comfort or cheer. I remember singing carols, with my
brothers and sisters, and giving modest gifts of food to the inmates. It
still makes a deep impression on me, after well over 70 years.The majority
were unable to work, but those who could were made to do so: to many, it was
the ultimate degradation. Tramps ( ie vagrants),of whom many visited our
house, as it must have seemed a 'soft touch', considered themselves in a
higher social class, and were fearful of the prospect of having to leave the
road and go into the Workhouse.
It was a totally different life; by todays standards, we ourselves had very
little indeed.
With good wishes, and thankfulness for our mercies, such as they are,
Oliver.
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Hi Listers,
I thought I'd try another route to information. Does the name Anna Walters
mean anything to anyone? Could there be a David Walters, 4, born Llangadock
in 1881, in your family. I believe his grandmother was Esther Rees, 69, born
Cilycwm and she had an unmarried sister/?sister in law Margaret Davies, 64,
again born Cilycwm. These ages as in 1881 Census. Esther Rees's daughter
Elizabeth married a John Davies and their son Morgan Elias was my grandfather.
Here's hoping this produced some links!
Anna Thomas (nee Davies)
Hello Pauline,
As the list is quiet, I thought I'd post my interest in Carmarthenshire. On
the 1881 census for Chatham, Kent, my ggrandmother is stated as having been
born in Carmarthen. Her name was Mary (maiden name unknown at present),
aged 54, married to James Clark, aged 60, from Essex. They had one daughter,
that I know of, also named Mary, born c1860 in Chatham. She married my
grandfather, George Parsons. I'm about to set proceedings in motion for a
search for their death certificates, in order to obtain more detailed
information regarding names and places of birth (and hopefully marriage).
So, you see, I have an interest in Carmarthen, but, alas, not enough
information to even ask a simple question!
Kind regards,
Brenda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)btinternet.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:38 AM
Subject: [Cmn-L] Quiet list
> Is my server not working??......I cannot believe that we had one whole day
> without an e-mail.....don't think that has happened before......
>
> Does anyone have any questions, want a reply - just ask and I'll see if I
> can locate them in my databases.......
>
> Although I am busy indexing I still have time to look in the indexes - it
> breaks the monotony - and gives me an excuse to stop for a while......
>
> regards Pauline
>
>
>
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>
Greetings
Rev John THOMAS of Laugharne
I have just joined this list and, as it seems to be having a quiet time at the
moment, let me mention my interests in Carmarthenshire.
Does anyone know anything of a Rev JOHN THOMAS of Laugharne? He was an older
brother of my great-grandmother.
I believe he was of hill farming stock, born around 1845 in LLanfihangel Geneu'r
Glyn (north Ceredigion). He was married to a Frances Fleetwood (a descendant of
Oliver Cromwell!) and they had two sons, one of whom -- Lieutenant David Owen
Thomas -- served in the armed forces (possibly in WW1). The other son was 'John
Fleetwood Thomas'. Someone kindly sent me the following excerpt from a
Crockford's:
'THOMAS, John: Late Exhibitioner of Jesus College, Oxford; BA 1869, MA 1872;
ordained deacon 1873 and priest 1874 by Bishop of Winchester. Curate of All
Saints, Ryde, Isle of Wight, 1873-1881; Chaplain to the Isle of Wight
Infirmary 1876-1881; Vicar of Shalfield, Isle of Wight, 1881-1892; Vicar of
Laugharne with Llansadwrnen, Carmarthenshire (in diocese of St. Davids, the
parishes being under the patronage of Dean & Chapter of Winchester) from 1892
onwards. Also Rural Dean of St. Clears from 1900 onwards.'
I would also be interested to know of any descendants or what became of the
family. I suspect the Rev. John Thomas may have died around 1926. I have a
suspicion that some descendants may have emigrated to Canada.
David Rowlands
Canberra
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Yo,
As a new subscriber to this list, I am hoping that someone can help me.
I have an interest in tracing my wife`s family, who lived in the parish of Llandeilo Fawr.
John Harries, Gent., (1758 - 1850 ) and his wife Olaidia ( 1772 - 1855 ) are buried at Hen Bethel, which overlooks Garnant. He is said, on the grave, to be of Hen Dre Fawr.
Their two sons, Thomas ( 1790 - 1851 ) and Owen ( 1796 - 1886 ) farmed at Llandeilo Fan, Powys, and Llywel, Powys.
Their two daughters, Jennet, ( my wife`s name ) 1785 - 1841, Margaret 1803 - 1857, and the third son Henry 1798 - 1872 seem to have stayed in the parish.
Could SKS tell me where Hen Dre Fawr is, what does " Gent. " signify, do the parish records exist, and if so , where ?
Hopefully, in expectation,
Ceri.
Dear Pauline ,
Having got stusk with John Thomas b 1797, I have traced back another branch
of my family from Llangammarch and find that my great great garndfather was a
Daniel Jones b in LLanfair ar y Bryn circa 1798.
On the 1850 census for Llangammarch he is living at Caemawr, gives his age
as 52 and Llanfair ar y bryn as his birthplace. My husband says LLanfair is a
small place...is there any possibility of tracing his birth? His wife was
born at Caemawr so Ishould be able to work back there too!! She was much
younger...32 to his 52 !
I found a wonderful site for the Welsh Bishops transcripts and the grooms and
brides lists were on it.... but I have lost track of how I got to it.
I would be so grateful for any help re Daniel....thank you for the weddings
in which you found a John and a Sarah. I am still working on that!!
Diolch o galon!!
Kathryn
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Found this interesting entry....
South Wales Press 6th January 1909. In Pencader 23 old age pensioners
dressed up in their bowler hats and their Sunday best to collect their
pensions for the first time. In Llanelli over 400 elderly persons crammed
into the General Post Office and up to a 100 turned up at sub post offices
to receive the application forms. There was a scramble at the Registrars
office to obtain copies of the parish registers to prove longevity.
(Carmarthen Journal March 1910) After a forty year courtship one couple now
decided that the Old Age Pensiohn provided them with sufficient means to
marry.....
*****
No wonder we cannot find some of our family - thinking about the post office
queue - its still the same in Llanelli and districts on a Thursday.........
Pauline
This is an interesting book - I am trying to find some amusing or
interesting snippets to extract .....
Begging was very common in the streets of Carmarthen - this is one
account.....
A man was looking about him and taking stock of the passers by whilst he
bore on his manly chest a board which stated that he had lost his sight in a
colliery explosion!! Feeling convinced there must be a mistake I asked the
man how he was able to see so well after a total loss of sight in a colliery
explosion. He could not read evidently and he asked in an agitated state
what the board said. On being read to him, he said 'Here's a pretty mess,
I've taken out some other chap's board. I'm really deaf and dumb'....!!
********
Pauline
Is my server not working??......I cannot believe that we had one whole day
without an e-mail.....don't think that has happened before......
Does anyone have any questions, want a reply - just ask and I'll see if I
can locate them in my databases.......
Although I am busy indexing I still have time to look in the indexes - it
breaks the monotony - and gives me an excuse to stop for a while......
regards Pauline
Born 1790-1791, Wales, Married 11th July 1805, Margan, Glamorgan. to ANTHONY TREGERTHEN, from St Ives, 11 Children ?Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com