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CarmarthenFHS(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> I hardly think that the Stringer name is Welsh certainly not South Wales
> anyway, only one marriage in the whole of Carmarthenshire 1754-1837 (below)
> Although there was a Joseph Stringer in the 1851 Census of Llanelly
> Carmarthenshire, but he was from Boxwich in Staffordshire, England.
>
> Carmarthenshire Marriages
> 1835 19/01 John STRINGER Elinor JONES Llanelly Carms
>
> 1851 Carmarthenshire Census
> 237 Marine Street Joseph STRINGER Head Marr 48 Managing Steward
> (lead)
> Boxwich, Staffs 61 2,1B Llanelly Borough Hamlet Llanelly Llanelly 2
> HO.107/2468
>
> Regards
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Many thanks, Richard;
Point duly noted,
Best wishes,
Eric Stringer
The Great Towy Flood
There is a considerable body of evidence to show that the Towy flood which
carried away Vicar Prichard’s schoolhouse also destroyed much of the town of
Llandovery — that part situated in the neighbourhood of the parish church.
The general conditions in which the flood took place are attested by several
documents. In the reign of Henry VIII, Leland wrote that the principal ford of
the Towy, of which river the main channel then flowed across the junction of
Broad Street and Church Bank, carried men and beasts to destruction during
the winter floods. The state of affairs prevailing between 1619 and 1642 is
set
out in the Exchequer Depositions of the latter year, already cited. According
to
the Depositions, one of those to whom the care of the Towy embankments had
been entrusted during this period was a joiner named Owen John who
guaranteed to hold the river to its course for a term of twenty—one years.
“An
unhappy flood carried away most of the water—works” and he was unable to
fulfil his contractual obligations. He disappeared and was no more heard of.
The first direct evidence for the flood which destroyed the school is that of
Anthony a Wood, writing after the event in 1682. The school had been
founded under Vicar Prichard’s will and, therefore, not before 1645 at the
earliest. How long it remained in being is uncertain. A period of “four
school-masters” is the only estimate made by Wood’s local correspondent.
There is some indirect evidence from the Book of Actions that the flood may
have occurred before 1659 since, as already noted, the two streets of the
chartered borough then housed only twenty-eight burgesses, fifty less than had
lived in the same area in 1317. However, not much can safely be built on this
foundation: there may have been gradual decay in the older streets owing to
the tendency of the developing town to move towards the East.
In 1684, the churchwardens of Llandingat presented that the churchyard could
not be enclosed because any fence would soon be destroyed by the river. They
said nothing of graves being carried away by the waters, as tradition avers,
and
they would surely have mentioned this had it occurred, since they were writing
to show cause why they should not carry out their statutory obligation to
enclose the burial-ground.
In 1693, Erasmus Saunders, in his letter on the Roman settlement at
Llandovery, asserted outright that “the excess of water hath destroyed a
considerable part of the town.” This is plain testimony to a serious flood,
apparently then fairly recent since the form of words which the writer employs
clearly suggests that the flooded areas were still ruinous.
It is likely, then, since the school founded C1645 had had four successive
masters, that the flood took place later than 1659, probably not long before
1680. It left behind it the tree-trunks still found in the churchyard and the
tradition, recorded by the Rev. G. Evans, that there were formerly many more
houses near St. Dingat’s church. It left, too, a fear of the Towy which
outlasted the power of the river to wreak havoc on the town. That power was
destroyed when the railway was built but few houses were erected at the
Western end of Llandovery until recent years.
From:
'Pages From the History of Llandovery'
Alfred Theodore Arber-Cooke
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I live in the most easterly province of Canada, namely Newfoundland.
For some years I've been thinking that our family name had been
introduced to Newfoundland circa 1800 from Devon or Dorset. However,
this evening an 83 year old widow of a Stringer in NF told me that she
was told many years ago that our Stringers came from Wales.
I have traced our lineage back in NF to a Joseph Stringer who married in
1834 and again in 1855. The wife in his second marriage married again in
1871; this, I assume to be after Joseph's death.
Any possibilities of a Joseph Stringer (b. 1800-1810) in this county?
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Sincerely,
Eric Stringer
Hodge's Cove
Newfoundland, CANADA
I hardly think that the Stringer name is Welsh certainly not South Wales
anyway, only one marriage in the whole of Carmarthenshire 1754-1837 (below)
Although there was a Joseph Stringer in the 1851 Census of Llanelly
Carmarthenshire, but he was from Boxwich in Staffordshire, England.
Carmarthenshire Marriages
1835 19/01 John STRINGER Elinor JONES Llanelly Carms
1851 Carmarthenshire Census
237 Marine Street Joseph STRINGER Head Marr 48 Managing Steward
(lead)
Boxwich, Staffs 61 2,1B Llanelly Borough Hamlet Llanelly Llanelly 2
HO.107/2468
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Hi Helen
Llanglydwen records are shared between the National Library of Wales,
Aberystwyth and the RO at Carmarthen as follows:
Baptismas and Burials 1765-84 and 1793-1810 are at the NLW
Marriages 1755-1811 and 1814-36 are at the NLW
Copies of the above at the Carms RO
Marriages 1837-1968 are at the Carms RO
Various Bishop's Transcripts from 1671 to 1877 (not complete) are at the
NLW including 1759 to 1790.
Gerry Lewis
Dear Elaine
Yes please any information on these Stedmans
would be most helpful i am also trying to find a
tie with a place called Cillcinnen i think that is
how it is spelt
kind regards Robert
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From: SGar178410(a)aol.com <SGar178410(a)aol.com>
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Saturday 07 2000 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: 2001 census
>Love it.
>
>But whenever i filled out papers for my husbands nationality i always gave
>the town he was born in and stated he was Welsh.
>
>Even his American Passport had Welsh on it because i fought them on it.
they
>said he was English i said he wasn't he was Welsh.
>
>Sylvia
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Dear Gerry, Thank you for your response to my question. Llanglydwen not
"Llangyden" as you say looks like the place for the birth of ELIZABETH. if
the IGI listing is correct.
To answer your question - ELIZABETH's Father was HENRY PEREGRINE (baptised
2 Jan 1791 Kidwelly), son of JOHN PEREGRINE. .
I do not know HENRY's occupation till the 1851 census when he and his family
are listed in Bryn Sion Street, Merthyr Tydfil upper. His occupation is
given then as Collier, born in Kidwelly.
ELIZABETH, the eldest child is 24 at this time and a Charwoman.
If Llanglyden is on the border, should I be looking in Pembrokeshire for
ELIZABETH's birth record?
I have found it difficult to trace the family from a marriage record of 1810
on St Ishmaels Parish Register of HENRY PEREGRINE to HANNAH OWENS (b 13
June 1790 Llangyndeyrn Parish) up till the records of baptisms of the
children at Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil. - A gap of 17 years from the marriage
to the first known child.
To confuse matters, also on the IGI ,is a marriage of HENRY PERGRINE and
MRS HANNAN PERGRINE abt 1827 at "Llangyden", CMN.
Any help would be much appreciated.
I unsubscribed till 23rd July. Hope you can pick up my drift from previous
mail. Thank you for your help.
Sincerely, Helen Harris membership no 2055 kenhell(a)tpg.com.au
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Hello listers,
With getting a new battering ram for my birthday thought it would be a good
idea to try it out on the horrible brick wall surrounding my Thomas family.
Mystery surrounds my Esther Thomas who md John Drummond (Drumm) in Feb 1844
in Newcastle Emlyn. She was dau of a David Thomas, farmer. A witness at the
wedding was Ann Thomas. Esther was never in Wales after her marriage to
live & never in UK on any census records to state her place of birth. Her
husband was a soldier in 76th Regt and they travelled with overseas to
different postings. Dying in 1872 in Dublin she was probably bn c1820/21 in
Carmarthen somewhere. Have looked at umpteen possible David Thomas
connections and yet cannot find a connection. Think Esther was with Hughes
household in Llandyfriog in 1841 as a female servant aged 20 in
Cardiganshire..... saying not born in county.
Meaning she was possibly born over the border in Carmarthen.
How do I find a likely David Thomas marrying to produce a possible dau
being bn in 1820/21.... too difficult?
Do I have to return battering ram to the shop?
Battering away,
Kate Hands,
Australia
Dear Dave,
My grandparents had friends called Perrott, who lived near them in Acchdu
Erw Terrace) The Perrots moved to Glynneath but their son Bernard now lives
near Chepstow. If you think it's the same Perrott I can give you Bernards
address
Best wishes
Val Speed
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From: dave hanson <davehanson(a)commspec.co.uk>
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Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 10:43 AM
Subject: Perrott
> Hi Pauline,
>
> I'm still trying to catch up on the mail after more than a week in the sun
> getting in our hay and silage - there was feverish activity everywhere in
> the CMN countryside once the weather opened out and it looks like
> everyone has cleared their fields by now.
>
> I haven't made any real progress with Aunt Christine's family. She is the
> daughter of Samuel Rees PERROTT who, as you remember, had the
> newsagents in Burry Port. They lived at Achddu by the way. I believe his
> father came to Burry Port from Llanelli but I don't have his first name
> yet. I know he is buried in Pembrey but my three attempts so far to find
> the grave have drawn a blank. As always, more time is needed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave H.
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Hello Pauline
Thank-you for the information. Griffith's father was also called
Griffith (doesnt help much eh?!!); Letitia's was Daniel Davies. If you
can find something else out, that would be brilliant.
Yes, thanks, I already had the 1881 census. Griffith died in 1880 in
Swansea - I've found his & Letitas grave in Danygraigh cemetry.
many thanks for your help
regards
Jonathan
---off to Bristol lib to look at st. caths index.....
In message <b2.8926dde.26b3ea83(a)aol.com>, CarmarthenFHS2(a)aol.com writes
>Hello Jonathan
>
>I am not sure if you have the following information from 1881 - you probably
>do but thought I'd give it anyway.
>
>I am at present indexing 1851 and the enumerator does write some 'Funny'
>things - yes I have seen a female named 'nephew' and a male named as 'Niece'
>on numerous occasions.
>
>Give me the fathers name from the marriage certificate - I should have them
>in the marriages of Carms, Cards and Pembs index - this could give you the
>extra information that you need......
>
>Pauline
>
>
> Dwelling: 18 Fynone St
> Census Place: Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales
> Source: FHL Film 1342293 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5363 Folio 43
>Page 32
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
>Letitia REES W 44 F Kilgeran, Pembroke, Wales
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Inspector Of Sch Widow
>Margarette L. REES U 16 F Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Dau
> Occ: Pupil Teacher
>Edwin L. REES U 13 M Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Scholar
>Agnes E. REES U 12 F Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Dau
> Occ: Scholar
>Adelina E. REES 5 F Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Dau
> Occ: Scholar
>Griffith H. REES 11 m M Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Son
>Daniel DAVIES U 41 M Kilgerran, Pembroke, Wales
> Rel: Bro
> Occ: Naval Pensioner
>Phoebe E. PUGH U 18 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Lodger
>John PUGH U 12 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Bro To Lodger
> Occ: Scholar
>
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Pauline,
I have Joshua Bowen from the 1851 and 1881 census. In 1851 he is a widower
with three children living at Durclawsfach. In 1881 it is just him,
Catherine and a servant. His daughter Anne is my great grandmother. I just
received her birth registration this week which gave me her mother's name,
Anne Perrott and residence is listed as Drucklawddfach, Llanon Parish. So I
haven't gotten further as yet.
I don't know what to think about Joshua Bowen and Anne Perrott marriage.
Their oldest son being eight years old in 1851 then they should have married
1842 give or take a few years. Yet you have looked at 1837 through 1844 and
they are not in St. Catherine's index.
As far as the Llanon Parish burial record it stated, "No. 468, Anne Bowen,
Dyrclawddfach, age 34 years, buried Jan. 1851, James Whitworth, Curate".
I will be sending for Joshua and Catherine's certificate as soon as my check
comes from International Currency.
I would appreciate the info on the Anne Perrott baptised in Llanelli Parish.
The year is about right.
I think that is everything at the moment.
Mary Beth
Hi Pauline,
I'm still trying to catch up on the mail after more than a week in the sun
getting in our hay and silage - there was feverish activity everywhere in
the CMN countryside once the weather opened out and it looks like
everyone has cleared their fields by now.
I haven't made any real progress with Aunt Christine's family. She is the
daughter of Samuel Rees PERROTT who, as you remember, had the
newsagents in Burry Port. They lived at Achddu by the way. I believe his
father came to Burry Port from Llanelli but I don't have his first name
yet. I know he is buried in Pembrey but my three attempts so far to find
the grave have drawn a blank. As always, more time is needed.
Regards,
Dave H.
hello jean
[typing with one finger as baby emily in the other hand!!]
In 1851 census for cilgerran, there is an evan rees living at 'cwinle'
or 'cwinke' as follows:
evan rees 67 labourer llandygwydd
rachel rees 56 wife eglwsio?? (too hard to read)
david rees 11 son castellau
No record of them there in 1841.
I know his age is a bit out, but maybe this is he? Given that you Evan
married in 1855, is it possible that Jane Johns was his second wife?
I've checked what B/M/D notes I have for the death/burial of Rachel, but
can't find any. I've also been thru all the photos of Rees gravestones
in Cilgerran & St Dogmaels and cant find her there...
Most information gathered either in Cilgerran or at the RO in
Haverfordwest - which is staffed by really helpful people, and is a mine
of information. They also have indexes for 1841 census, which might help
you....
Do let me know if this is useful.
cheers
jonathan
In message <00bb01bff8d7$35ac3ac0$39ee1a3f@oemcomputer>, Mark Whitt
<MarkWhitt(a)peoplepc.com> writes
>Jon,
> I am interested in Rees' but don't know what town or parish. All I know
>is Evan Rees my ggrandfather was born in 1818 in Carmarthenshire and married
>Jane Johns of Glam in 1855. Can you give me any help?
>Jean
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>From: "Jonathan Rees" <jon(a)jdrees.demon.co.uk>
>To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 3:37 PM
>Subject: Researching REES & DAVIES in Cilgerran & Llangendeirne
>
>
>> Hello! Im a bit ofa newbie, but wonder if anyone can possibly help me.
>>
>> I'm researching my REES ancestors. "Family tales" are that Cilgerran is
>> the home of my GGGGrandfather - GRIFFITH REES (b 1838) and
>> GGGGrandmother - LETITIA (ne DAVIES) b 7 June 1836.
>>
>> We've checked the census for 1841, and can find Letitia, but not
>> Griffith. She's still in Cilgerran in 1851 census, but he appears (if
>> it's him) living with James & Sophia Evans. The problem is, we cannot be
>> sure it's him, because the census has 'Niece' as relationship. Is this a
>> 'regular' census error?
>>
>> From their marriage certificate (hours spent in the excellent RO at
>> Haverfordwest - v helpful staff there) we found that his fathers name is
>> also Griffith (a labourer). We also know that at that time (Aug 6 1859)
>> he (Griffith jnr) was living in Llangendeirne as a National School
>> Master.
>>
>> Has anyone any ideas on how I can continue? Or access to an 1841 census
>> index that would include Llangendeirne (just a hunch)...
>>
>> If anyone else is researching REES or DAVIES, I'd like to hear from
>> them. I've loads of info on other REES's in Cilgerran (like photos of
>> all the REES & DAVIES gravestones there) that might be useful to you!!
>>
>> many thanks
>>
>> Jonathan Rees jon(a)jdrees.demon.co.uk
>>
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Hello Jonathan
I am not sure if you have the following information from 1881 - you probably
do but thought I'd give it anyway.
I am at present indexing 1851 and the enumerator does write some 'Funny'
things - yes I have seen a female named 'nephew' and a male named as 'Niece'
on numerous occasions.
Give me the fathers name from the marriage certificate - I should have them
in the marriages of Carms, Cards and Pembs index - this could give you the
extra information that you need......
Pauline
Dwelling: 18 Fynone St
Census Place: Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342293 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5363 Folio 43
Page 32
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Letitia REES W 44 F Kilgeran, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Inspector Of Sch Widow
Margarette L. REES U 16 F Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Dau
Occ: Pupil Teacher
Edwin L. REES U 13 M Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Agnes E. REES U 12 F Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Adelina E. REES 5 F Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Griffith H. REES 11 m M Swansea Clydach, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Son
Daniel DAVIES U 41 M Kilgerran, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Bro
Occ: Naval Pensioner
Phoebe E. PUGH U 18 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Lodger
John PUGH U 12 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Rel: Bro To Lodger
Occ: Scholar
Hi Jean
If you know when Evan Rees got married, purchase the marriage certificate and
this will give you his father's name and his fathers occupation, which would
then assist you to maybe find the father on some of our
indexes...............just a thought....
Pauline
Dear Robert,
In Major Francis Jones "Historic Carmarthenshire Homes and Their
Families" are the following Stedmans...Anne, Blanche (previously
Phllips) of Lletty Gariad, Edward of Drevor, Mont., John d. 1613, John
of Dolygaer, Brecs, and Mary (later Lloyd) of Penylan. In the Major's
yellow book for Pembrokeshire are Stedmans of Glandovan. If you would
like further information on any/all of the above, let me know. Regards,
Elaine.
Jon,
I am interested in Rees' but don't know what town or parish. All I know
is Evan Rees my ggrandfather was born in 1818 in Carmarthenshire and married
Jane Johns of Glam in 1855. Can you give me any help?
Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Rees" <jon(a)jdrees.demon.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 3:37 PM
Subject: Researching REES & DAVIES in Cilgerran & Llangendeirne
> Hello! Im a bit ofa newbie, but wonder if anyone can possibly help me.
>
> I'm researching my REES ancestors. "Family tales" are that Cilgerran is
> the home of my GGGGrandfather - GRIFFITH REES (b 1838) and
> GGGGrandmother - LETITIA (ne DAVIES) b 7 June 1836.
>
> We've checked the census for 1841, and can find Letitia, but not
> Griffith. She's still in Cilgerran in 1851 census, but he appears (if
> it's him) living with James & Sophia Evans. The problem is, we cannot be
> sure it's him, because the census has 'Niece' as relationship. Is this a
> 'regular' census error?
>
> From their marriage certificate (hours spent in the excellent RO at
> Haverfordwest - v helpful staff there) we found that his fathers name is
> also Griffith (a labourer). We also know that at that time (Aug 6 1859)
> he (Griffith jnr) was living in Llangendeirne as a National School
> Master.
>
> Has anyone any ideas on how I can continue? Or access to an 1841 census
> index that would include Llangendeirne (just a hunch)...
>
> If anyone else is researching REES or DAVIES, I'd like to hear from
> them. I've loads of info on other REES's in Cilgerran (like photos of
> all the REES & DAVIES gravestones there) that might be useful to you!!
>
> many thanks
>
> Jonathan Rees jon(a)jdrees.demon.co.uk
>
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Hello! Im a bit ofa newbie, but wonder if anyone can possibly help me.
I'm researching my REES ancestors. "Family tales" are that Cilgerran is
the home of my GGGGrandfather - GRIFFITH REES (b 1838) and
GGGGrandmother - LETITIA (ne DAVIES) b 7 June 1836.
We've checked the census for 1841, and can find Letitia, but not
Griffith. She's still in Cilgerran in 1851 census, but he appears (if
it's him) living with James & Sophia Evans. The problem is, we cannot be
sure it's him, because the census has 'Niece' as relationship. Is this a
'regular' census error?
>From their marriage certificate (hours spent in the excellent RO at
Haverfordwest - v helpful staff there) we found that his fathers name is
also Griffith (a labourer). We also know that at that time (Aug 6 1859)
he (Griffith jnr) was living in Llangendeirne as a National School
Master.
Has anyone any ideas on how I can continue? Or access to an 1841 census
index that would include Llangendeirne (just a hunch)...
If anyone else is researching REES or DAVIES, I'd like to hear from
them. I've loads of info on other REES's in Cilgerran (like photos of
all the REES & DAVIES gravestones there) that might be useful to you!!
many thanks
Jonathan Rees jon(a)jdrees.demon.co.uk
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Joe
I hardly think Evan Evans' children would have been born in Burry Port, at
the Achduu Mill, the family were living in Llanelly in the 1851 Census.
The Address "Pentre( f ) Yr Felin" is not in Pembrey Parish but in Llanelly
Parish and a good 4 to 5 miles away from Achddu Mill, now I am assuming that
there would have been a decent road from Stradey to Burry Port via Pwll, if
the road went through Stradey Woods it would have added another mile or so to
the Journey.
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