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----- Original Message -----
From: Gwyn Hughes <gwyn(a)roumania2.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 9:01 AM
Subject: Information on Theo Harris
> Hello again Pauline,
> Thanks for returning my mail. I was very interested at the Prendergast
connection with Theo Harris and Catherine. Have you any more information on
this marriage?
> Thanks,
> Gwyn
> I am re-mailing this to you after reading that your computer was out of
action for a week!
>
>
Hi Carm LIST,
My Pennsylvania search engine came up with a business Home Page in
Merion Township in the outskirts of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania that had
a little history of the beginnings of this Township by the "Welsh
Quakers" in 1682 from "Merionshire," Wales. Is this the old
Merionetshire. If so, this is quite a distance (75 miles north or so)
from Carmarthenshire/Pembrokeshire where the Welsh Baptist came from on
the ship "Vine" in 1685/86. I may be missing the name of other
Merionshires in Wales and some of the history of the Old Welsh Tract in
Merion Township, Pennsylvania. Would some of you more knowledgeable on
this subject, help me a bit with this.
Thanks and best regards, Bob Hemphill, Orangeburg, SC, USA
Hello Heather
Well done to your school - yes the atmosphere was wonderful, the field was
nice and dry and yes, no mud in sight - the children loved collecting all the
'freebies' from all the stalls, even sent her father an e-mail from the BT
stall, we did not stop too long because of the journey back - but I must say
our driver excelled himself - he got us home in just over four hours (we were
all holding on tight though), it took six hours to get there.
Again well done - I wonder how Angela's daugher got on?? she'll tell us when
she gets back I suppose, they have gone for the week.......
bye Pauline
Hi David
The main rcords relating to the British army prior to 1913 are located
at the PRO at Kew. According to "Welsh Family History: a Guide to
Research" 2nd edition (edited by John & Sheila Rowlands), much of the
WO97 Series of documents have been indexed and are now possibly
available on microfiche. The results can be searched by computer at Kew.
There is a bibliographic list re the Military on page 312 of the book if
you can get hold of one from your public library. Or just £9.95 from
good bookshops - ISBN 186006065X.
Gerry Lewis
Richard, I really enjoyed your story about Pencarreg. I enjoy Pauline's extracts as well.. More, please.
I'd like to become a member of CFHSoc'y. I have the address to send to, but want to know how much money to send. Thanks, Dilys
Hi Jacky,
Just to add to Pauline's info - the family she found was almost
certainly the family for the birth certificate you had as with then was
catherines'm mother Elen Morris and you did say the certificate said the
maiden name was morris didn't you?
I haven't found daughter Catherine though.
Do you think she may have died? I have read that if a family have
another child which they named after a child that had died then
sometimes they don't bother to register the "next" one.
Have another lok in St catherine's index and see if there is a death
with maybe another birth later on??
or could she even be with relatives in Ireland???
Good luck
Pat
This is the entry:-
Dwelling: No 2 Vauxhall
Census Place: Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342295 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5374 Folio
32 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward HURLEY M 25 M London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Letter Carrier (Serv Mess)
Catherine HURLEY M 22 F Llanelly, Carmarthen,
Wales
Rel: Wife
Edward HURLEY U 3 M Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
Elen MORRIS W 65 F Ireland
Rel: Mother
In message <393464AB.22E80BF7(a)webau.com>, Jacky Davies
<jdavies(a)webau.com> writes
>Hi Pauline
>
>Thanks for the information but I think it back to square one with this person, I
>am begin to think she must have been a changling. I can not find record of her
>birth, no census records for 1881 or 1891. The family stories I have been told
>don't hold any water. All I do know is she had a big family, lived all her life
>(supposedly) in Carmarthen, was a devout catholic with the the St Mary's Parish
>and died in 1963 at the age of 84. I will put that one on hold for the time
>begin. But thats again for the information.
>
>bye Jacky
>from Oz
>1085
>
>CarmarthenFHS2(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacky
>>
>> I've just looked in the microfiche of 1881 for Carmarthenshire (can't get my
>> CD to run on this computer until it's reformatted ) and I found an Edward and
>> Catherine but not with child Catherine aged 2....
>>
>> RG11 5374-32-3
>> 1881 census
>> No 2 Vauxhall, Llanelly
>> Edward Hurley head marr 25 letter carrier born London Middx
>> Catherine Hurley wife marr 22 born LLanelly
>> Edward Hurley son 3 born Llanelly
>>
>> What was Edward's occupation on the birth certificate. Maybe Catherine was
>> with relatives ?? - I'll check on my laptop after with the CD census.
>>
>> There was another Catherine aged 45 born Cork Ireland with husband Jeremiah
>> aged 50 born Cork Ireland.no others in the household - they lived in No 6
>> Tinworks and his occupation was a labourer in the tinworks.
>>
>> Does this make 'things' a little easier - come back to me and we'll try to
>> think of something that may help.
>>
>> bye Pauline
>
--
Pat Powell
Welcome back, Pauline
Ditto for Ysgol Llanishen Fach, Cardiff. We were very proud of our pupils but
sadly didn't make it to stage either. We went up on Sunday and stayed until
Monday. Wasn't it a wonderful atmosphere .... and what about that sunshine.
Not a trace of mud on the maes. I think that's a first! And prelims right
next to the maes, all so convenient. Well done Bro Conwy.
Heather
Hello Everyone
Just to let you know that whilst I was away and my computer has been 'acting'
up Richard has re-formatted my hard drive - thus all my e-mails were taken
off - so if anyone has sent me an e-mail in the past few days or even the
past week and have not had a reply from myself, let me know and I'll get back
to you.
Thanks Pauline
Hello Everyone
We had a wonderful time in North Wales the venue for the 'Urdd Eisteddfod'
which is held for the whole week. The weather was wonderful (lucky us) and
there were 13 schools competing for just 3 places for the last round - sadly
we did not make the last 3 but the school done themselves proud (Ysgol
Ffwrnes - Furnace School Stradey Llanelli), and just to be one of the last 13
from the whole of Wales was an achievement.
Must say we were rather exhausted by the end of all the travelling - we
travelled up on the Monday stayed overnight (nice hotel) and travelled back
on Tuesday.
Back to normal, but still rather tired today (must be old age catching up on
me).
Pauline
Hello Dilys
Thanks for the e-mail if you go to our web pages on:
http://members.aol.com/cmnfhs1/
You can download a membership form and it will also tell you what you receive.
Looking forward to hearing from you
regards Pauline
Historical Landmarks in Llandybie
1696
The two oldest buildings in the village other than the Church, are the Old
Mill and the Red Lion
1870
Smallpox in the Village
1884
Rev. David Davies, Vicar of Llandybie and Ammanford, collects sufficient
money to build a Welsh Church in Ammanford ( St. Michaels), Foundation stone
was laid 29th Sept 1884
1907
The First owner of a motor cycle at Llandybie was Mr Ernest Davies, Iscoed, A
single speed Triumph, belt driven.
1909
Blaenau School was built, opened around 1910
1910
The first bus to pass through Llandybie, was the Great Western Railway
Omnibus (Y Motor Mawr). It had solid tyres and could do the run from
Carmarthen Station to Ammanford twice daily. Quite often passengers had to
get off and walk up any steep hills, before getting back on at the top.
***************************
Richard James
CarmarthenshireFHS
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http://members.aol.com/cmnfhs1/
When writing to Pauline or Myself about anything to do with Carmarthenshire
FHS or Carmarthenshire mailing lists please use the mailing lists rather than
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PENCARREG VILLAGE
PENCARREG village is situated on theA485 road from Carmarthen to Lampeter, in
the
hamlet of Dolgwm, in the south corner of the parish approximately one mile
from
Llanybyther and four miles from Lampeter. The name Pencarreg is a compound of
Pen, a
head or point, and carreg—a stone It was probably so named due to the
position of the
Parish Church which is built on an eminence composed of rocky soil. It was
written as
Pencarrok in the taxation of Pope Nicholas IV in 1291, but was slightly
modified to
Pencarreg afterwards.
It is interesting to note that the village is split into two, being about 400
yards apart. In
between there used to be a nursery plantation in Lake-View fields and
Red-Lion fields.
Hundreds of saplings were planted every year and sold locally and in
surrounding markets.
No history of Pencarreg would be complete without some mention of the lake.
It covers an
area of 21 acres, i rod, no perches, and today the ownership of the lake is a
point of local
dispute.
It is said in the neighbourhood that the ground now occupied by the lake was
at one time
the site of a flourishing village. This tradition however is common with
reference to other
Welsh lakes, e.g., Talley lake. Some years ago an Eisteddfod was held in a
marquee near
the lake and was called “Eisteddfod y Llyn”. The lake is a great source of
perch and no
licence is required to fish for them.
A neighbouring farm is called Cil-blaidd and, according to heresay of the
oldest
inhabitants the last wolf in Wales was killed here. Curiously enough there is
another farm
across the river Teify known as Dolwlff, but the Gil undoubtedly has nothing
to do with
kill (lladd ), but is the same Gil as Cilcennin and Ciliau in Cardiganshire
or Kilmarnock
and Killarney. Three farms in the parish bear the name Gilgell, so there may
have been
cells or celloedd for some kind of pre Christian worship. Some people believe
that a
monastery could have been here, due to the fact that a field is called “Cae
Mynachlog”.
(The field of the monastery).
On Brynmeddyg farm in the hamlet of Coedmor is another field called “Gae
Capel”, i.e.
Chapel field, in which it is supposed the monks of old went to worship.
Another field in
close proximity to it is pointed out as having been the Churchyard. It is
said that Human
bones have been dug up here in very recent times. If there was a chapel on
Brynmeddyg
farm as asserted, it appears that chapels in those days must have been more
numerous than
in modern times, for not far from the site of the supposed monastery are two
cottages
called Capel Stwr and Capel-Bach.
On Gelliddewi—Isaf farm also, there is said to have been a Church or Chapel
before the
erection of the present parish church. The site of the chapel at
Gelliddewi—Isaf was in a
field known to this day as Cae Fynwent. (the churchyard field). In the
present tenant’s
recollection a yew tree has been taken up by its roots.
For all this information there is no undoubted evidence of the existence of
either a
monastery, church or chapel other than the above tradition. Rees in his
history of the
Welsh Saints makes no mention of a church or chapel and the only reference to
Pencarreg
in “Dugdalls Monastiction” is that Pencarreg contributes yearly “from the
Rector’s farm
to Strata Florida”.
By the Education Act of 1870 the government took positive action to set up
Elementary
schools in the country. The dwellers of Dolgwm hamlet wanted the school to be
built in
the village, but the late Evan Evans of Maesisaf gave a plot of land free for
the purpose of
building a school. It was built in an easterly direction and not northernly
as hoped. It was
called Dolgwm Elementary School and was erected in the 19th century. However
it was
closed in 1969 due to lack of pupils and it has recently been bought, to make
it an
adventure centre.
Two rivers running one on either side of the village of Pencarreg are: Dolgwm
and
Aberdwr (which forms the boundary between the parishes of Pencarreg and
Llanybyther).
brooks, both rising in the Pencarreg mountain and after a short but rapid
course empty
themselves into the Teify, well known for its salmon, trout and sewin.
There used to be two wells in the village, Neuadd Well and Claret Well. It
was the custom
to take water from the Claret Well to the parish church when the children of
the village
were baptized.
The Red Lion in Pencarreg was built at the end of the 19th century and was to
be the
Vicarage of the parish, as the Vicar then lived in a small farmhouse called
Neuadd.
However it was felt that the Vicarage should be built more in the centre of
the parish. It
was later built near St. James’ Church. Today the Red Lion is a grocery shop
and Inn.
Between 1849-1869 the majority of Welsh Railway lines were built. Most
railways were
built for a special purpose—to connect Welsh ports with large English towns.
The plan
was to build a line from Milford to Manchester. This line finally reached
Tregaron in
1867 and was then turned towards Aber-. ystwyth. The line ran parallel with
the river
Teify between Llanybyther and Lampeter. There was a halt at Pencarreg for the
convenience of passengers whose only means of long distance transport was the
train. In
1967 the line was closed between Felinfach and Aberystwyth, and as from
December
1972 there will be no freight transport from Carmarthen at all.
During our research we came across two historical points on a group of people
known as
“Cochiaid Pencarreg”.
Extract from Bonwicks “Who are the Welsh”.
A Gwyddel colony was seen near Lampeter of Cardigan. This farming band
occupied a
district 4 miles long beside the Teify. The people are described as having
brilliant teeth,
bright teeth, high features, with a clear red and white complexion,— “large
and powerful
men, with a look of restless energy about them,” and much feared by their
Welsh
neighbours on account of their wild blood. A writer in 1859 adds, “They are
an impetuous
but warm hearted race ; they are much intermarried among themselves, and seem
to
acquiesce in their comparative isolation as a distinct people.” Borrow in
Wild Wales
describe a similar folk. Mr. Jelinger C. Symons notes the cochion or red men
of Pencarreg
in Carmarthenshire and others in Cemaes of Montgomery known as red fairies.
A Welshman afforded this account of them, “savage, brutish people, in general
without
shoes and stockings with coarse features and heads of (red) hair like mops”.
Story regarding Cochiaid Pencarreg as seen in George Eyre Evans, book on
Lampeter :—
Lampeter in 1905 is a different town to what it was in 1810, when the
following singular
contest is recorded in print as having occured within its borders
Two female paupers the one 86, the other 88 of age who had lived in habits of
intimacy,
differed about the loss of some yarn, which the younger charged the elder
with stealing
from her.
From words the two matrons proceeded to blows, but the pugilistic encounter
terminated
without either being vanquished. They then agreed to try their skill and
strength with
cudgels, on Monday the 12 March, and the bellman proclaimed the combat
through the
town. After nearly an hour’s hard fighting the younger heroine seemed to have
the
advantage ; and if the civil powers had not opportunely interfered, would
most certainly
have killed her antagonist who nevertheless exultingly declared herself one
of the
“Cochied Pencarreg” a name given to a peculiarly obstinate race of fighters,
who never
call for quarter.
From The History of Pencarreg
***************************
Richard James
CarmarthenshireFHS
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***************************
Hi Pauline
Thanks for the information but I think it back to square one with this person, I
am begin to think she must have been a changling. I can not find record of her
birth, no census records for 1881 or 1891. The family stories I have been told
don't hold any water. All I do know is she had a big family, lived all her life
(supposedly) in Carmarthen, was a devout catholic with the the St Mary's Parish
and died in 1963 at the age of 84. I will put that one on hold for the time
begin. But thats again for the information.
bye Jacky
from Oz
1085
CarmarthenFHS2(a)aol.com wrote:
> Hi Jacky
>
> I've just looked in the microfiche of 1881 for Carmarthenshire (can't get my
> CD to run on this computer until it's reformatted ) and I found an Edward and
> Catherine but not with child Catherine aged 2....
>
> RG11 5374-32-3
> 1881 census
> No 2 Vauxhall, Llanelly
> Edward Hurley head marr 25 letter carrier born London Middx
> Catherine Hurley wife marr 22 born LLanelly
> Edward Hurley son 3 born Llanelly
>
> What was Edward's occupation on the birth certificate. Maybe Catherine was
> with relatives ?? - I'll check on my laptop after with the CD census.
>
> There was another Catherine aged 45 born Cork Ireland with husband Jeremiah
> aged 50 born Cork Ireland.no others in the household - they lived in No 6
> Tinworks and his occupation was a labourer in the tinworks.
>
> Does this make 'things' a little easier - come back to me and we'll try to
> think of something that may help.
>
> bye Pauline
Sorry Pat I have no more clues. All I have found is her name on my
GGGrandads gravestone in Laugharne, I don't think she was married in 1881
but might be worth a shot. Her married name was HILLEN. I guess (only a
guess) is that she would be approx 25 in 1881.
Thanks
Duncan (2042)
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Powell <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: 1881 Lookup
> Hi Duncan
> No Maria - when you do a search on the 1881 CD it shows Mary as well as
> Maria.
> Have you no idea how old she would be in 1881? - was brown her maiden
> name or married name?
> Cheers
> Pat
>
>
> In message <003201bfc99d$ed277de0$7e9543d4@oemcomputer>, Duncan
> Richardson <duncan(a)f1racing.co.uk> writes
> >Sorry Pat, not sure, was there a MARIA?
> >Duncan
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Pat Powell <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
> >To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 7:16 PM
> >Subject: Re: 1881 Lookup
> >
> >
> >> Hi Duncan,
> >>
> >> There are three Mary Brown in Laugharne in 1881.
> >> Is one of these yours?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Pat
> >>
> >>
> >> Dwelling: New Bridge
> >> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395
Folio
> >> 36 Page 11
> >> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> >> Mary BROWN W 80 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Head
> >> Occ: Hawker
> >>
> >>
> >> Dwelling: King St
> >> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395
Folio
> >> 47 Page 9
> >> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> >> Thomas RICHARDS U 35 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Head
> >> Occ: Grocer & Wine Merchant
> >> Margaret BROWN W 28 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Sister
> >> Occ: Housekeeper
> >> Arthur E. BROWN 4 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Neph
> >> Occ: Scholar
> >> Mabel Rose BROWN 9 m F Laugharne, Carmarthen,
> >> Wales
> >> Rel: Niece
> >> Mary A. BROWN U 17 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Serv
> >> Occ: Gen Ser Domestic
> >>
> >>
> >> Dwelling: Gosport Street
> >> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395
Folio
> >> 58 Page 12
> >> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> >> Wm. BROWN M 33 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Head
> >> Occ: Sailor
> >> Mary BROWN M 34 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Wife
> >> George BROWN 14 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Son
> >> Occ: Scholar
> >> Sarah J. BROWN 12 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Daur
> >> Occ: Scholar
> >> John BROWN 10 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Son
> >> Occ: Scholar
> >> Thos. BROWN 9 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Son
> >> Occ: Scholar
> >> Frank BROWN 5 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Son
> >> Occ: Scholar
> >> David BROWN 2 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Son
> >> Henry BROWN 1 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> >> Rel: Son
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In message <000301bfc96b$582b9c80$a89743d4@oemcomputer>, Duncan
> >> Richardson <duncan(a)f1racing.co.uk> writes
> >> >Could sks look up MARIA BROWN in the 1881 census. SHould be in
Laugharne
> >> >somewhere.
> >> >Thanks very much
> >> >Duncan (2042)
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Pat Powell
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Pat Powell
>
>
Art Smith (Member # 1095) is looking for the following:
THOMAS of St. Clears and Carms Town bef & aft 1825
THOMAS of Llanboidy, Carms bef & aft 1825
WILLIAMS of Carms Twn bef & aft 1881
EDWARDS of Llanpumpsaint bef & aft 1820
ROBERTS of Garnant nr Ammanford
HUGHES of Pontarddulais
POWELL of Cwmgiedd, Ystradgynlais, Breconshire
WATKINS of Crai, Deffynog & Llewel, Breconshire
PRICE of Llanbedr-Painscastle, Radnorshire
HAINES (HAYNES) of Llanbedr-Painscastle, Radnorshire
TODD of Godre 'r Craig, Ystylafera, W. Glam
JENKINS of Godre 'r Craig, Ystylafera, W. Glam
MORGAN of Treorchy, Glam
DAVIES of Treherbert, Glam
TERRY of Pontypridd, Glam
JONES of Abercraf, Breconshire
WILLIAMS of Porthmadog, Gwynedd
WILLIAMS of Ysbytty Ystwyth &Creuddyn, Cardigan
BIDDLE of Redditch, Wors.
GARDNER of Redditch
JACKET of Redditch & Cornwall
NUNN-JEPSON of Brighton
***************************
Richard James
CarmarthenshireFHS
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direct mail.
***************************
Hi Duncan
No Maria - when you do a search on the 1881 CD it shows Mary as well as
Maria.
Have you no idea how old she would be in 1881? - was brown her maiden
name or married name?
Cheers
Pat
In message <003201bfc99d$ed277de0$7e9543d4@oemcomputer>, Duncan
Richardson <duncan(a)f1racing.co.uk> writes
>Sorry Pat, not sure, was there a MARIA?
>Duncan
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Pat Powell <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
>To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 7:16 PM
>Subject: Re: 1881 Lookup
>
>
>> Hi Duncan,
>>
>> There are three Mary Brown in Laugharne in 1881.
>> Is one of these yours?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> Dwelling: New Bridge
>> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
>> 36 Page 11
>> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
>> Mary BROWN W 80 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Head
>> Occ: Hawker
>>
>>
>> Dwelling: King St
>> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
>> 47 Page 9
>> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
>> Thomas RICHARDS U 35 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Head
>> Occ: Grocer & Wine Merchant
>> Margaret BROWN W 28 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Sister
>> Occ: Housekeeper
>> Arthur E. BROWN 4 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Neph
>> Occ: Scholar
>> Mabel Rose BROWN 9 m F Laugharne, Carmarthen,
>> Wales
>> Rel: Niece
>> Mary A. BROWN U 17 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Serv
>> Occ: Gen Ser Domestic
>>
>>
>> Dwelling: Gosport Street
>> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
>> 58 Page 12
>> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
>> Wm. BROWN M 33 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Head
>> Occ: Sailor
>> Mary BROWN M 34 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Wife
>> George BROWN 14 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Son
>> Occ: Scholar
>> Sarah J. BROWN 12 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Daur
>> Occ: Scholar
>> John BROWN 10 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Son
>> Occ: Scholar
>> Thos. BROWN 9 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Son
>> Occ: Scholar
>> Frank BROWN 5 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Son
>> Occ: Scholar
>> David BROWN 2 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Son
>> Henry BROWN 1 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
>> Rel: Son
>>
>>
>>
>> In message <000301bfc96b$582b9c80$a89743d4@oemcomputer>, Duncan
>> Richardson <duncan(a)f1racing.co.uk> writes
>> >Could sks look up MARIA BROWN in the 1881 census. SHould be in Laugharne
>> >somewhere.
>> >Thanks very much
>> >Duncan (2042)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Pat Powell
>>
>>
>
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Pat Powell
Sorry Pat, not sure, was there a MARIA?
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Powell <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: 1881 Lookup
> Hi Duncan,
>
> There are three Mary Brown in Laugharne in 1881.
> Is one of these yours?
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> Dwelling: New Bridge
> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
> 36 Page 11
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> Mary BROWN W 80 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Hawker
>
>
> Dwelling: King St
> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
> 47 Page 9
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> Thomas RICHARDS U 35 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Grocer & Wine Merchant
> Margaret BROWN W 28 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Sister
> Occ: Housekeeper
> Arthur E. BROWN 4 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Neph
> Occ: Scholar
> Mabel Rose BROWN 9 m F Laugharne, Carmarthen,
> Wales
> Rel: Niece
> Mary A. BROWN U 17 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Serv
> Occ: Gen Ser Domestic
>
>
> Dwelling: Gosport Street
> Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
> 58 Page 12
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> Wm. BROWN M 33 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Sailor
> Mary BROWN M 34 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Wife
> George BROWN 14 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Scholar
> Sarah J. BROWN 12 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
> John BROWN 10 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Scholar
> Thos. BROWN 9 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Scholar
> Frank BROWN 5 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Scholar
> David BROWN 2 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Henry BROWN 1 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Son
>
>
>
> In message <000301bfc96b$582b9c80$a89743d4@oemcomputer>, Duncan
> Richardson <duncan(a)f1racing.co.uk> writes
> >Could sks look up MARIA BROWN in the 1881 census. SHould be in Laugharne
> >somewhere.
> >Thanks very much
> >Duncan (2042)
> >
> >
>
> --
> Pat Powell
>
>
Hi Duncan,
There are three Mary Brown in Laugharne in 1881.
Is one of these yours?
Cheers
Pat
Dwelling: New Bridge
Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
36 Page 11
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Mary BROWN W 80 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Hawker
Dwelling: King St
Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
47 Page 9
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas RICHARDS U 35 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Grocer & Wine Merchant
Margaret BROWN W 28 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Sister
Occ: Housekeeper
Arthur E. BROWN 4 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Neph
Occ: Scholar
Mabel Rose BROWN 9 m F Laugharne, Carmarthen,
Wales
Rel: Niece
Mary A. BROWN U 17 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Serv
Occ: Gen Ser Domestic
Dwelling: Gosport Street
Census Place: Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5395 Folio
58 Page 12
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Wm. BROWN M 33 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Sailor
Mary BROWN M 34 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Wife
George BROWN 14 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Sarah J. BROWN 12 F Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
John BROWN 10 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Thos. BROWN 9 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Frank BROWN 5 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
David BROWN 2 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
Henry BROWN 1 M Laugharne, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
In message <000301bfc96b$582b9c80$a89743d4@oemcomputer>, Duncan
Richardson <duncan(a)f1racing.co.uk> writes
>Could sks look up MARIA BROWN in the 1881 census. SHould be in Laugharne
>somewhere.
>Thanks very much
>Duncan (2042)
>
>
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Pat Powell
Good morning Pauline,
here is an update on my interests:
1. John MORRIS m. Ann BEVAN in Kidwelly in 1765
2.David JENKIN & Catherine had Jonnet JENKIN in 1769 in Llangunnor
3. Thomas EDWARD m. Elinor RICHARD in 1724 in Llandefaelog
4. Walter JENKIN m. Catherine FISHER in 1695 in St. Ishmaels
5. John THOMAS m Magdalen MORTON in 1747 in Pembrey
6. David THOMAS & Dina MORRIS had Jenkin DAVID in 1707 in St Ishmaels
7.Morgan THOMAS 1697-1788 m Mary in St. Elli
8.Robert JENKIN m. Ann DAVID in Pembrey in 1725
9.John MORGAN m. Elizabeth FRANCIS in St. Elli in 1707
Have a great day...........Patty 1069
Now that I have added information thanks to the wonderful efforts of Pauline,
I wanted to list my family info once again.
Great Grandparents: William Roberts and Ann Bowen, married Oct. 13th, 1876,
Llanon Parish, Carmarthen
Three sons: William John, b: July 24, 1878, Llanon, Carmarthen
Joseph Thomas, b: December 26, 1881, Llanon, Carmarthen
David Daniel, b: December 24, 1883, Swansea, Glamorgan
The two families from the 1851 census:
John Robert, aged 46, living Alltfawr, Llanon
Jane Robert, wife, aged 44
John Robert, son, 18
David Robert, son, 14
Joseph Robert, son, 12
Rachel Robert, dau, 10
Ann Robert, dau, 8
William Robert, son, 3
John Robert, father, aged 76
Joshua Bowen, widower, aged 36, living Durclawfach, Llanon
William Bowen, son, 8
Anne Bowen, dau, 6
Thomas Bowen, son, 2
Hannah Lewis, servant, 14
In 1881 census only the one family:
Joshua Bowen, aged 68, dwelling Garnfach
Catherine Bowen, wife, 74, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen
Margaret Davies, 16, domestic servant
Catherine Bowen (nee Williams) married Joshua May 3, 1851.
Anyone comes across anything or finds a connection, please be sure and let me
know.
Thank you,
Mary Beth
Member 2052