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>From the Victorian Pioneer Index 1836-1888
People on left are from Llanelly
Marriages
Henry Evans married Martha Donovan 1873.
John Samuel " Ann Alice Griffiths 1873.
Catherine Pugh " Benjamin Richard Llewelyn 1886.
Elleanor Rebecca Williams married Albert Akers 1888.
Barrie
#2032
>From the Victorian Pioneer Index 1836-1888.
People listed on the left of the list are shown as being born in
Carmarthenshire.
Marriages
Margaret Hughes married David Bowen 1866.
Thomas Phillips " Frederick Adolf Wittschiebe 1867.
Elizabeth Jane Davies married Francis William Binney 1868.
Thomas Williams married Elizabeth Jenkins 1870.
William Anthony married Anne Thomas 1870.
David Jones " Mary Ballantine 1871.
Joseph Williams " Elizabeth Evans 1873.
Evan Bona " Mary Jane Tranter 1874.
Louisa Humphreys " Francis Tandy 1874.
William Williams " Joanna Smith 1877.
Elizabeth James " Lewis Morris 1877.
Catherine Jones " George Davis 1878.
Samuel David Thomas married Jessie King 1880.
Mary Jane Jones married James Shearer Brown 1880.
John Williams " Annie Whitehead 1882.
Frederick Charles Francis married Eliza Cross 1885.
Barrie
#2032
Pauline, thanks for the response re the Siloah Chapel and the "Publican".
Thinking that a "publican" was a tax collector and not an inn keeper shows that I 've spent my youth in Sunday School and not in pubs.
By a membership book for the one near the Union Bridge, do you mean that one can ask the chapel to check the book for events concerning members of the chapel, like baptisms, marriages and funerals? If I am correct can that be done on-line or must it be done through the post. If through the post, do you know the postal address?
Jos. Gregory
1. One of the CFHS listers is researching Mainwaring lines, perhaps we can
connect this line with theirs. We also have research on the Davies family
(below) The Davies and the Mainwarings are related through marriage. Cousin
Kay was able to uncover the following about these two families, they are
related and both immigrated to the US in the 1880s. If anyone has links to
either or both families, we have extensive data on both families here in
America.
2. The Rev. Mr. Davies served as pastor at the Siloah Chapel in Llanelly
before emmigrating. Does anyone have any info on this chapel and does it
still exist?
3. The Mainwarings may have been know as Mandry in Wales.
4. The last person on the list (below) is NOT related to either the Davies
or the Mainwarings. What caught my eye is occupation, "Hair Dresser (an
unusual occupation for 1881?) and Publican". I assume that a "Publican" is a
commissioned tax collector.
Is that correct?
>From the 1881 census.
> Dwelling: 14 Lakefield Rd
> Census Place: Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
> Source: FHL Film 1342295 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5372 Folio 29
> Page 7
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> Theophilus DAVIES M 35 M Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Labourer And Local Preacher (SILOAH CHAPEL)
> Margaret DAVIES M 35 F Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Wife
> Dan DAVIES 13 M Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Greaser At Tin Works (T P W)
> Elizabeth DAVIES 11 F Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
> Sarah Ann DAVIES 10 F Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
> David James DAVIES 5 M Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Scholar
> Maria DAVIES 4 F Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
> Henry John DAVIES 1 M Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
> Rel: Son
>
> Dwelling: 22 Incline Row
> Census Place: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
> Source: FHL Film 1342282 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5324 Folio 92
> Page 16
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> William MAINWARING M 50 M Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Coal Miner
> Margaret MAINWARING M 49 F Ystradgynlais, Brecknock, Wales
> Rel: Wife
> John MAINWARING U 21 M Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Coal Miner
> Morgan MAINWARING U 18 (born 1863) M Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Coal Miner
> David MAINWARING U 15 M Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Coal Miner
> Jennet MAINWARING 12 F Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Domestic Serv
> Ann MAINWARING 9 F Aberaman, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
> Mary MAINWARING 5 F Aberaman, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
>
> Dwelling: 105 High Street
> Census Place: Vaynor, Brecon, Wales
> Source: FHL Film 1342280 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5318 Folio 101
> Page 21
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> John MANWARING M 39 M Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Hair Dresser & Publican
Jos. Gregory
Mt. Top, Pa.
Dear List, My husband is following the Simon Matthews line. Simon emigrated
from South Wales about 1710 to
Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Montegomery Baptist Church, Montgomery, Pa.
records tell Simon " was born between 1680 - 1687 in Wales". Death about
January-June 1755 per will records. "History of Bucks County" Volume I by
WWWH Davis writes Simon (came with a Simon Butler) "and was the son of Thomas
Matthew, Wales, and a Baptist",
first settling in Welsh Tract, New Castle County (now Delaware state) then
resettling in New Britain, Pa.
Volume III states he was a "native of Langenych, SouthWales" traveling with
an Anthony Matthew either his father or brother". Simon was a millwright by
trade.
"Mathews' History of Seven Central Bucks County Townships" by Edward Mathews,
Volume I states Simon became
a member of the Baptist Church at Welsh Tract after a letter of
recommendation from their Wales Pastor,
Reverend Morgan Jones.
Wondering if anyone is or has researched this line in South Wales or could
point us in a direction for further research. Thank you.
This is such a fine and valuable List to subscribe to. Jim (and
Shirley) Matthews, Leicester, New York State
Hi Listers
Still looking for any info on the Barry family who came to Carmarthen from County Cork between 1852 and 1855. There was a marriage between David Barry and Ann Hurley of Dannybank, Carmarth on 7th August 1855. They had a number of children (although the mother of some is shown as McCarthy (error or new wife) Tried to obtain info on the family from the priest in Carmarthen. Sent a small donation and a gentleman rang me (a member of the parish)? and promised further details about six weeks ago and I am still waiting. Children to David and Ann - Margaret Barry, Patrick, William, Edward and Mary Ann. I know the dates of birth but have not put them down.
Edward Barry b. 1800(father of David) shown on 1861 census with wife Ann and children Joannah b. Ireland 1848, Willian son b. Carmarthen 1859 and and Catherine aged 2 months born in St Peter's Carmarthen.
Most of the family remained until after the 1881 census. I believe members of David's family left for the Rhondda Valley Patrick Edward and Mary Ann, but Margaret may have stayed.
Any help would be greatedl appreciated especially if Margaret married in Carmarthen and Edward's family
Patsy in Yorkshire
Hi Joe
I am answering question 2 - Siloah Chapel is in the Seaside area of Llanelli
(just over Union Bridge from Lakefield Road ) which was an Independent Chapel
and this is still in use today - there is a membership book available for
this Chapel .....there was also a Siloh Calvanistic Methodist Chapel in
Llanelli which was built in Lakefield Road, now a Youth and Community Centre,
there are no records available for this Chapel.
Onto question 4 - a hairdresser was not an unusual occupation. A Publican is
NOT a tax person - but a person who ran a Public House - a Tavern or
Inn........a place licensed to see intoxicating liquor.......
hope this helps
Pauline
Hello,
John BEYNON was recorded in the 1851 census as being 70 years old, with a
birth place of Llanyndern [Llangendeirne]. We know that by 1809 he had moved
west into Glamorganshire, where he was married. However, we are trying to
trace him and his family back to Carmarthenshire and would be grateful of any
help that you can give to us.
Many thanks,
Liz
Hello
If anyone is still listening during this period, if you have any questions,
just send them to the list, perhaps everyone has had enough turkey and
partying now, and welcomes the chance to get away from it all, and get back
to the computer.........
I will be here to answer questions to anyone who wants an answer - the only
day I will be taking off is New Years Day.
I had a few days off for Christmas - and been ill with the flu since
Christmas Eve, can you believe it.........hope everyone else had a wonderful
christmas.........
Looking forward to hearing from you
Pauline
Hello Everyone
Just taking this opportunity in wishing all listers and members a very HAPPY
NEW YEAR for 2001........
Please keep the queries coming in, and hope that everyone can be as helpful
as this year - thanks to everyone for contributing so much to these pages.
Pauline and Richard James
>From the Victorian Pioneer Index 1836-1888
Born in Carmarthen.
Death; William Davies age 54yrs. Father David,Mother Elizabeth Lewis 1879.
Marriage; George Richards b.Carmarthen to Mary kelly 1869.
Marriage; Rachel Williams b. Carmarthen to David Davidson 1870.
Marriage; Evan Morris b.Carmarthen to Elizabeth Green 1870.
Marriage; Rhys Edmund Rees b.Carmarthen to Hannah Silbery 1871.
Marriage; George Ackland G. Rush b. Carmarthen to Juliet Lloyd Jones 1880.
Marriage; Thomas Henry Thomas b.Carmarthen to Elizabeth Hawkes 1882.
Marriage; Sarah Ann Davies b.Carmarthen to Richard Thomas Peardon Olver
1883.
Marriage; Joseph Morris b.Carmarthen to Mary Williamson 1885.
Barrie
#2032
The following extraction is from the GENUKI page on Carmarthenshire: -
"Davies, Ronald. Epynt without people.1984, 208 p. Many families and holdings are named and the hamlets of Pentretygwyn, Babel and Halfway are covered in detail."
Does the book include any details of residents of Pentre-ty-gwyn between say 1820 and 1880, please?
Adrian
Yorkshire
Researching: -
Devon - LUSCOMBE, SHOBBROOK, PERRIAM, PITTS, QUICK, STONEMAN, COX & CORNISH.
Dorset - WILMOT(T)
Gloucestershire - HESKINS, BAKER, FOWLER & PITT
Middlesex - MONTGOMERY & SAWARD
Somerset - HOLBROOK, POTHECARY & WILMOT(T)
Wiltshire - HAWKINS, HEATH, COOK, BECKINGHAM, DASH, RUDMAN, WATKINS, FELL, DREW, WILTSHIRE, WAIT(E) & WHIT(E)BREAD
Carmarthenshire - PARRY & MORGANS
Glamorgan - PARRY & POTHECARY
Monmouthshire - POTHECARY
Anywhere - MUDON
Many thanks for the update Richard!
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard James <Carmarthenshirefhs(a)btinternet.com>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 4:30 PM
Subject: [Cmn-L] Box Cemetery
> To Ray & All with interests in Box Cemetery
> Although it is now called the 'Llanelli & District Cemetery' many of us
will
> always remember & know it as plain 'Box'.
> I have photographed 95% of the old cemetery just about 8 Rows left, but
the
> Sun and weather have been against me for several months, there is only a
> window of about 90 minutes at this time of year this is between 8.15 am
and
> 9.15am when the sun rises enough to reach the headstones and when it
passes
> the headstone (shines from behind).
> hopefully in the New Year we may get some clear crisp mornings when I can
> finish them off, two or three clear mornings would be great.
> I have indexed about 25% to date, but have not been doing very much on the
> project, so with a little more time in the New Year available for this
> project, I hope to get it completed in a few months.
> Hopefully it will be available on CDRom but not for a while, we will carry
> out lookups from the index first.
> This is a very important cemetery, as far as Llanelli is concerned,
> Initially it was used from 1850, but there were no records of Burials kept
> until 1868, (except for specific Chapels if the records still exist),
> initially the 'Box' cemetery was purchased for several Chapels as there
> burial ground, the Established Churches had there own burial ground(s).
> So 'Box' cemetery gives us much information about the non-conformist
> population of Llanelli in the 19th Century.
> ________________________________
> Regards
> Richard James
> Carmarthenshire-L, Carmarthenshire FHS
> http://CarmarthenshireFHS.co.uk
> ________________________________
>
>
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I have just finished llanelli Telephone Directory for 1897.
It consists of 31 numbers in total, I will be adding this to the Llanelli
Historical Pages after Christmas with a lot more informaton about Llanelli
going to watch Llanelli and Swansea rugby match now.
Come the Scarlets!
________________________________
Regards
Richard James
Carmarthenshire-L, Carmarthenshire FHS
http://CarmarthenshireFHS.co.uk
________________________________
To Ray & All with interests in Box Cemetery
Although it is now called the 'Llanelli & District Cemetery' many of us will
always remember & know it as plain 'Box'.
I have photographed 95% of the old cemetery just about 8 Rows left, but the
Sun and weather have been against me for several months, there is only a
window of about 90 minutes at this time of year this is between 8.15 am and
9.15am when the sun rises enough to reach the headstones and when it passes
the headstone (shines from behind).
hopefully in the New Year we may get some clear crisp mornings when I can
finish them off, two or three clear mornings would be great.
I have indexed about 25% to date, but have not been doing very much on the
project, so with a little more time in the New Year available for this
project, I hope to get it completed in a few months.
Hopefully it will be available on CDRom but not for a while, we will carry
out lookups from the index first.
This is a very important cemetery, as far as Llanelli is concerned,
Initially it was used from 1850, but there were no records of Burials kept
until 1868, (except for specific Chapels if the records still exist),
initially the 'Box' cemetery was purchased for several Chapels as there
burial ground, the Established Churches had there own burial ground(s).
So 'Box' cemetery gives us much information about the non-conformist
population of Llanelli in the 19th Century.
________________________________
Regards
Richard James
Carmarthenshire-L, Carmarthenshire FHS
http://CarmarthenshireFHS.co.uk
________________________________