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John ::
A "sawyer" was a man that took logs and made them into boards. At that time
frame he probably worked with another man. One on top and the other "in the
pit" using a very long two man saw. Also known as a "pit sawyer". There may
be a picture of this in one of the illustrated dictionaries.
Bob
On the 1851 Census for Swansea, my great-great grandfather John EDWARDS
occupation was listed as "Sawyer." I at first thought it was "Lawyer" but
the first letter, compared to others on the same and nearby pages, is
definitely a script "S." His brother Henry also had the same occupation.
We proudly come from a long line of iron and mine workers and he was one of
them. He was as listed as such in the 1881 census.
Can someone out there tell me what a "sawyer" did?
Regards,
John Jardine
Cincinnati, Ohio USA
Researching EDWARDS in Swansea, Gowerton, Llanelli, and Llangennech; CHAPPELL
and HUGHES in Llanelli
As There are so many deficiencies in the already published Dyfed FHS,1851
Census of Llanelly, we are prepared to carry out lookups of this census
which we have already transcribed, until the census is available on
microfiche
The Census itself will be available on Microfiche in a month or two, when
owing to the growing waiting list of Members requests we will withdraw the
lookup facility.
When requesting a lookup please be brief and only request the
Surname,Firstname possible age and street, only the one family will be sent,
not whole pages or streets.
Regards
Richard James
CarmarthenshireFHS
Hi Ruth
I looked in my marriage indexes pre 1837 (covering Cardiganshire,
Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire - and I did find a marriage in 1830 in
Llandeilo Fawr Carmarthenshire - do you think this could be them - are you
sure the first child was born in 1838?? I had one query where they thought
the child was born in 1825-29- and I found a marriage in 1801 -but I
thought this cannot be it !!! but they were having children for over 20
years...................they were the ones in question, I ended up
researching for these people and they had children from 1802-1825.
Remember that census returns and even gravestones are not always correct
ages for our departed - my g.grandmother's age was short by 10 years at the
time of her demise....
Find below the marriage entry from our indexes :-
29th Jan 1830 - John Davies and Jane Isaac - Llandeilo Fawr Parish Church
Hope this helps - let me know
regards
Pauline
Carmarthenshire FHS
http://members.aol.com/cmnfhs1/
-----Original Message-----
From: The Goldings [mailto:Goldingfamily@btinternet.com]
Sent: 26 October 1999 19:03
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Llandilofawr 1851 census, please?
I return to my hopeless quest for DAVIES in Carmarthenshire. It's good
to be back.
Did you know that there were 1,406 John DAVIES living in Carmarthenshire
on the 1881 census? <grin>
Mine, I suspect, is not among them, as I believe he was dead by that
date.
If anyone has any connection with the John DAVIES who married Jane ISAAC
c. 1838, and had children including Mary born 1839 and Daniel born 1849,
I should be glad to hear from you.
I should be even more grateful if anyone is able to find the family for
me on the 1851 census (they lived at Goitrefach, Llandillofawr in both
1839 and 1849).
Ruth Golding
Kent, England
E-mail: GoldingFamily(a)btinternet.com
Home Page: http://www.come.to/Hythe
or http://www.btinternet.com/~goldingfamily/
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Hello Patrick
Thanks for your e-mail - I am not sure if I have the message clear -
Are you offering to look up ALL John Lewis's with a father John Lewis from
St Clears - or are you requesting a look up for a John Lewis St Clears?
Please confirm - thanks
regards
Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: pat rossiter [mailto:rossiter@one.net.au]
Sent: 27 October 1999 12:26
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Fw: re baptisms of st clears
-----Original Message-----
From: pat rossiter <rossiter(a)one.net.au>
To: <carmarthenshire-l(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: re baptisms of st clears
could help with a lookup of st clears , with baptisms of any JOHN LEWIS
with father as JOHN LEWIS
Many thanks & awaiting your reply
PATRICK rossiter(a)one.net.au
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Hello All
if anyone is requesting look-ups from Carmarthen RO it will be a bit
difficult because they are in the process of moving premises.
The record office will not be back to normal until at least January (that's
the date upto now) although they will try and assist all they can with our
researching - I will of course help out in other ways if I can, books etc.
I believe that the Registry Office has already moved.
speak soon
Pauline James
Carmarthenshire FHS
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-----Original Message-----
From: pat rossiter <rossiter(a)one.net.au>
To: <carmarthenshire-l(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: re baptisms of st clears
could help with a lookup of st clears , with baptisms of any JOHN LEWIS
with father as JOHN LEWIS
Many thanks & awaiting your reply
PATRICK rossiter(a)one.net.au
A family rumour relayed by my father before he died says that I am descended from Picton. I haven't established the link yet, but have now traced my OWENS and PHILLIPS lines from Llanelli back to Carmarthen in the early 1800's. On the way I came across a Wm. Picton-Phillips (no relation as yet) who was captain of Llanelli fire brigade.
Has anyone done a study of the PICTON family and descendants?
Gareth
Try www.trstone.com.
They run programmes by Fairfield laboratories under the "Rosetta Stone"
banner - they do welsh - I've downloaded a demo.
Also I think Fasttalk in UK are the distributors - dont know their web
details - try "fasttalk" in a search engine.
Regards to all
Julian Lloyd
Cape Town
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I return to my hopeless quest for DAVIES in Carmarthenshire. It's good
to be back.
Did you know that there were 1,406 John DAVIES living in Carmarthenshire
on the 1881 census? <grin>
Mine, I suspect, is not among them, as I believe he was dead by that
date.
If anyone has any connection with the John DAVIES who married Jane ISAAC
c. 1838, and had children including Mary born 1839 and Daniel born 1849,
I should be glad to hear from you.
I should be even more grateful if anyone is able to find the family for
me on the 1851 census (they lived at Goitrefach, Llandillofawr in both
1839 and 1849).
Ruth Golding
Kent, England
E-mail: GoldingFamily(a)btinternet.com
Home Page: http://www.come.to/Hythe
or http://www.btinternet.com/~goldingfamily/
In regards to Welsh language CD's , try www.therosettastone.com. They have 2
Welsh language sets. The Welsh Explorer has Lessons 1-22 for $19.99 +s/h and
Welsh Level I has Lessons 1-92 for $195 +s/h. You can get the Explorer and
see if you like it. You can then turn the Explorer back in to purchase the
complete Level I. The $19.99 will be applied to the $195. Hope you like
them!
Jill Glascock
Hi listers,
My cousin, John, was just here for a visit from Wales. He told me that
he was going to send me a tape "Welsh In A Week". I really think that
he was pulling my leg on that one; however, it seems that he does know
of some Welsh Language tapes that are available. He is going to send
them to me. Will let you know what they are when they arrive. Kindly,
Elaine.
The Sin Eater
The superstition of the Sin-Eater is said to linger even now in the secluded
vale of Cwm-Aman, in Caermarthenshire. The meaning of this most singular
institution of superstition was, that when a person died, the friends sent
for the Sin-Eater of the dis
ict, who, on his arrival, placed a plate of salt and bread on the breast of
the deceased person; he then uttered an incantation over the bread, after
which, he proceeded to eat it,.- thereby eating the sins of the dead person;
this done, he received a f
of two-and-sixpence, - which, we suppose, was much more than many a
preacher received for a long and painful service. Having received this, he
vanished as swiftly as possible, all the friends and relatives of the
departed aiding his exit with blows and
icks, and other indications of their faith in the service he had rendered. A
hundred years since, and through the ages beyond that time, we suppose this
curious superstition was everywhere prevalent.
Paxton Hood, Christmas Evans. Preacher of Wild Wales
Carmarthenshire FHS 1999
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Hello Rich,
You wrote:
> Just asking, but I notice that there are 101 "Learn to Speak ..." software
> programs for Spanish, French, Chinese, Swahili, etc., but I see none listed
> for Welsh. Is there one somewhere?
You could try the Linguaphone site:
http://www.linguaphone.co.uk
They appear to have a Welsh course
No connection!
Regards
Dave Hanson
Just asking, but I notice that there are 101 "Learn to Speak ..." software
programs for Spanish, French, Chinese, Swahili, etc., but I see none listed
for Welsh. Is there one somewhere? If not, why not? Can we urge one of the
language software companies to make one for us?
Thanks! Rich
Ray,
My late father had a book entitled something like The History of Welsh
International Rugby. It was probably published in the 1970s. The
contents consisted of a brief account of every international game played
by Wales and the teams and scorers, wherever the details were extant.
My father's copy is almost certainly in the box room of what was my
parents' home, amongst all the other items I am waiting to sort. If I
locate it, I will provide you with further details.
There was also the tome entitled Fields of Praise, if my memory serves
me correctly. That was a more scholarly work. I don't recall how
detailed it was about individual players.
My apologies for being so vague.
Paul Morgan,
Caerdydd/Cardiff.
Keith Sharp asked:
Any information on ...any Gosnell would be much appreciated.
The only Gosnell I found in the Dyfed FHS's index of baptisms 1813-37
was a John Gosnell baptised in 1829 in the parish of Prendrgast, just
north of Haverfordwest in Pembrokeshire.
No mention of Gosnell in the index of Francis Jones's book "Historic
Houses of Pembrokeshire and their Families".
Gerry Lewis
The Death of Picton
The French columns were marching close up to the hedge, the English advanced
to meet them, and the muzzles of
their muskets were almost touching. Picton ordered Sir James Kempt's brigade
forward: they bounded over the
hedge, and were received with a murderous volley. A frightful struggle then
ensued: the English rushed with fury
upon their opponents, not stopping to load, but trusting solely to the
bayonet to do their deadly work. The French
fire had, however, fearfully thinned this first line, and they were fighting
at least six to one. Picton, therefore, ordered
General Pack's brigade to advance. With the exhilarating cry of "Charge!
Hurra! hurra!" he placed himself at their
head, and led them forward. They returned his cheer as they followed him
with a cool determination, which, in the
words of the Spanish chief Alava, "appalled the enemy"
The general kept at the head of their line, stimulating them by his own
example. According to the Duke of
Wellington's despatch, "This was one of tbe most serious attacks made by the
enemy on our position." To defeat it
was therefore of vital importance to the success of the day. Picton knew
this, and doubtless felt that his own
presence would tend greatly to inspire his men with confidence. He was
looking along his gallant line, waving them
on with his sword, when a ball struck him on the temple, and he fell back
upon his horse - dead. Captain Tyler,
seeing him fall, immediately dismounted and ran to his assistance: with the
aid of a soldier he lifted him off his horse;
but all assistance was vain - the noble spirit was fled.
The rush of war had passed on, the contending hosts had met, and none could
be idle at such a moment. Tyler,
therefore, placed the body of his lamented friend and general beneath a
tree, by which he could readily find it when
the fight was done; and he rode forward to report to Sir James Kempt the
loss which the army had sustained. That
general, as senior officer, immediately assumed the command of the division:
but 'Picton's intrepid example had done
its work. Animated by their gallant chief, the men fought with a degree of
fury which nothing could appal or resist: at
one moment formed into squares, they received and repulsed the dreadful
assaults of the lancers and cuirassiers; at
another deploying into lines, their vigorous arm and undaunted courage drove
back the enemy's masses at the point
of the bayonet."
How the British fought, and how they conquered upon this day, is already
fully recorded upon the pages of many
a history. As long as the name of Waterloo shall be repeated with national
exultation, so long will Picton's death be
remembered as one of the noblest of the sacrifices by which that victory was
purchased.
When the sanguinary struggle had ceased, and the victorious English were
called back to the field of battle,
leaving the Prussians to pursue the enemy, Captain Tyler went in search of
the body of his old general, with feelings
which even the events of the day and its surrounding horrors could scarcely
moderate. Re found it easily. Upon
examination, the ball was discovered to have entered near the left temple
and passed through the brain, which must
have produced instant dissolution: after this, meeting with some resistance,
it glanced downwards, and was found
just under the skin near the articulation of the lower jaw.
Upon looking at the dress of Sir Thomas Picton in the evening of the 18th, a
few hours after his fall, it was observed
that his coat was torn on one side. This led to a further examination, and
then the truth became apparent - on the
16th he had been wounded at Quatre Bras; a musket-ball had struck him and
broken two of his ribs, besides
producing some further bodily, and it was supposed internal, injuries: but,
expecting that a severe battle would be
fought within a short time, he kept this wound secret, lest he should be
solicited to absent himself upon the occasion.
Regardless of every selfish consideration, he only divulged this secret to
an old servant, with whose assistance he
bound up the wound; and then, with a command over his feelings almost
incredible, he continued to perform his
arduous duties. The night of the 16th and the whole of the following day he
was in constant activity. By the morning
of the 18th the wound had assumed a serious aspect; but the assurance that
the French were about to attack the
British position roused every energy ofhis almost exhausted frame; he
subdued his bodily anguish; and when the
moment came which called for his great example, the hand of death, which it
is supposed was even then upon him
from the wound alluded to, could not, while sufficient life yet remained,
check for a moment his zeal and courage.
H. Robinson, The Life of Sir Thomas Picton 1835
Carmarthenshire FHS 1999
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