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Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman families
Carolyn,
For everyone that doesn't already know abut it the website
http://www.familysearch.org/ is free and includes the 1880 US census. YOu
caan help yourselves faster by learning the resources available. Carolyn,
there are quite a few Watts living in Smith County in 1880, some are related
to me.
Don Summers
Southport, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Lawrence" <cen07903(a)centurytel.net>
To: <TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman families
Hi,
If by any chance you could and would ; would you sometime try to look
for Watts on that census list? Hopefully there is an index. If you can
that would be wonderful ; if you can't I do understand.
Carolyn Manker Lawrence
Lawrence County Arkansas
Eldon Wilkins wrote:
> I just checked my 1880 Fed Census C.D's-Random
> check found these (hope it will help someone)-In Union City, Obion,
> Tn. found Male-Caleb Carmen, 55 (b 1825)
> Single; with brother Saunders Carmen, single' and a male, M. L. Perry
> listed as other age 35 and also single; and a Frankie Carman age 46,
> male, Black as Other;
>
> Found Darkas C. Carman single, 74, b Tnn. (in Obion)
> In Troy, Obion, Tenn found an Ace A. Stafford, 45 with Lizze J. 35
> wife, and fam; Also in Troy found a Samuel Stafford, 24 (b 1856) in
> N.C. with Joel B. Foulks family; and a Samuel Stafford (b 1857) 23 in
> Franklin, Tn. with Eliza 25 and family.
>
> If you need me to look up a name on 1880 that will help, let me know.
> You see, there are a lot of Staffords.
> Melba
>
> There are in 1880 in state of Tenn 506 Stafford surnames, a lot in
> Jackson Co.,
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Maupin" <socks(a)mwsi.net>
> To: <TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
> families
>
>
>> Yes, I have the book, that was the reason I bought it..
>> According to the deed, I read it the same way you did. You want me to
>> go get a copy of the deed? I can go to town on Tuesday and get a
>> copy, maybe Mon. afternoon if I get back from Nashville in time.
>>
>> Peggy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <shirhunt1(a)comcast.net>
>> To: <TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>> families
>>
>>
>>> Peggy,
>>> More than likely Caleb is the same person. I am going to get the
>>> agreement
>>> so we can see what they were agreeing to! I have collected
>>> information but
>>> can't seem to pin Caleb down.
>>> Do you have the "Early Coffin Maker Funeral Home Records" from
the
>>> Thorp,
>>> Thorp and Oakley 1852-1972? It has several Stafford records in it.
>>> Shirley
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peggy Maupin" <socks(a)mwsi.net>
>>> To: <TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>>> families
>>>
>>>
>>>> Shirley,
>>>>
>>>> I thought she was female also, the 1820 census and 1840 census on the
>>>
>>> Smith
>>>
>>>> Web site shows only 1 male child in 1820 10-12 and rest were
>>>> female, and
>>>> the 1840 list's 1 male 10-15, and the rest were female. Do you
>>>> suppose
>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>> the who ever wrote the deed in the deed book, made a mistake. I
>>>> seen the
>>>> same deed in the book, you are talking about and that is the reason
>>>> I lost
>>>> this Caleb for awhile, but I belive this one went to Obion Co.There
is
>>>
>>> Caleb
>>>
>>>> Stafford. on the 1850 census.
>>>> A JoAnn Chandler emailed me a copy of Stephen Stafford's bible
>>>> record, and
>>>> Caleb was the son of Samuel and Mary Carmen, it listed him being
>>>> born in
>>>> 1803 and dying in Obion Co. Tn. in 1859. Is this the Caleb you are
>>>> talking
>>>> about? In this census he is married to a Mary from Ky. Haven't found
a
>>>> marriage date yet. Are we talking about about the
same Caleb?
>>>>
>>>> Peggy Maupin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <shirhunt1(a)comcast.net>
>>>> To: <TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:30 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>>>
>>> families
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Peggy,
>>>> > Can you tell me who the male Polly Stafford is related to on the
>>>> 1820
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> > 1830 Smith Co census? I have looked at all the info on Ancestry
and
>>>
>>> can't
>>>
>>>> > find him listed. The 1820 Smith Co census has Polly, Cain, Adam,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>>> > and Thomas. The deed Book B-M 1800-1835 Smith Co. lists Polly
>>>> several
>>>> > times. I thought Polly was female until the 1821 reference was
>>>> Polly
>>>> > Stafford to his son Thomas his freedom to act for himself 18 Oct
>>>> 1821
>>>
>>> Deed
>>>
>>>> > Book B page 120. Then again in 1822 page 121-122 it said the same
>>>
>>> thing.
>>>
>>>> > Deed Book B also lists my gg uncles and gg aunt with Caleb
Stafford
>>>> > William
>>>> > H. Haile, Thomas J. Haile, Caleb Stafford and Sarah W. Haile
>>>> Stafford,
>>>> > this
>>>> > was an article of agreement dated March 1, 1828 page 246. More
>>>> info > is
>>>> > Caleb Stafford to John Stafford his interest in the slaves he is
to
>>>> > receive
>>>> > at the death of Polly Stafford 6 July 1831 page 60. Caleb Carman
to
>>>
>>> Polly
>>>
>>>> > Stafford 2 Negro's 20 Aug 1829 page 125, probably the same two
as
>>>> > above.
>>>> >
>>>> > I can't find a marriage bond for Caleb and Sarah W. Haile
>>>> Stafford. > The
>>>> > Haile's(Hale's) came from Mecklenburg, Va in the early
1800's to
>>>> Smith
>>>
>>> Co.
>>>
>>>> > Shirley H. Greer
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Peggy Maupin" <socks(a)mwsi.net>
>>>> > To: <TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:16 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and Carman
>>>> > families
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> What was the message on Elizabeth, I don't have a death
listing
>>>> for >> the
>>>> >> mother or daughter, The information I had on either of them
came
>>>> from
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> >> Stafford-McMurray Family History Book, written by Earl E. Jones
and
>>>> > Richard
>>>> >> Fulcher, It is in the Trousdale County Library.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Nancy Gann" <Ophelia15(a)msn.com>
>>>> >> To: <TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:25 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and
Carman
>>>> > families
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Peggy,
>>>> >> > I have Elizabeth died 1876 in Logan Co., Ill. Source????
>>>> >> > Nancy
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> > From: Peggy Maupin
>>>> >> > To: TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:24 PM
>>>> >> > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn)
and
>>>> Carman
>>>> >> > families
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Sorry, I was not reading all of your message right to
begin
>>>> with,
>>>> >> > Elizabeth
>>>> >> > , daughter of John and Elizabeth married 1st to a
McIllwain?,
a
>>>> >> > second
>>>> >> > marriage was to a David Gentry Thompson. Smith Co.
marriages
>>>> does
>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>> >> > show
>>>> >> > either marriage. But , try the Dickson Co. site for
Tennessee.
I
>>>
>>> found
>>>
>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > John owned land in that county, probably between Smith
Co. and
>>>
>>> Graves
>>>
>>>> > Co.
>>>> >> > Ky.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Peggy Sue
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> > From: "The Stone Family"
<rlnstone(a)mchsi.com>
>>>> >> > To: <TNSMITH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:24 PM
>>>> >> > Subject: [TNSMITH] Stafford, Quinn (Quine or Guinn) and
Carman
>>>> >> > families
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > Peggy Sue - I noticed that you are looking for a
Stafford
>>>> >> > family.
>>>> >> > My
>>>> >> > > husband's distant grandfather was Redmond Quinn
(Quine or
>>>> Guin)
>>>
>>> who
>>>
>>>> > was
>>>> >> > > born circa 1797 in Virginia - probably right next to
North
>>>
>>> Carolina.
>>>
>>>> > We
>>>> >> > do
>>>> >> > > not know how - or if - he fits in to the William and
Sarah
>>>> Quine
>>>> > family
>>>> >> > > who lived in Caswell County, North Carolina - but
things
>>>> sure >> > seem
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > > indicate that he does fit somehow. We actually
believe that
>>>
>>> Redmond
>>>
>>>> > is
>>>> >> > > the grandson of William and Sarah Quine, but we are
not sure
>>>> >> > ow. -Maybe
>>>> >> > > by their son Mordecai. Not much is known of him
except
>>>> that he
>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>> > the
>>>> >> > > son of William and Sarah and that he was in Smith
County,
>>>> TN in
>>>> >> > 1806.
>>>> >> > He
>>>> >> > > may have used a different name, but we have not been
able to
>>>
>>> locate
>>>
>>>> > him
>>>> >> > > there. We have located Redmond in Smith County from
1837
>>>> (on an
>>>> > early
>>>> >> > tax
>>>> >> > > list) and on the 1840 census. He lived in Sumner
County at
>>>> the
>>>
>>> time
>>>
>>>> > of
>>>> >> > > the 1850 census and in 1860 and 1870 he was in
Trousdale
>>>> County.
>>>> >> > > What I have found through internet sources (not
verified)
>>>> is >> > that
>>>> >> > William
>>>> >> > > and Sarah Quine had a daughter named Elizabeth
(Betsy) who
>>>> >> > married
>>>> > John
>>>> >> > > Stafford in 1791. The Staffords had a daughter
Elizabeth >>
>>>> > Stafford
>>>> > born
>>>> >> > > July 7, 1800 (1803?) in Smith County, TN and a son
John
>>>> born >> > circa
>>>> > 1790
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > > Virginia. Mordecai and Betsy Quine had siblings
Henry,
>>>> Jacob,
>>>> >> > William -
>>>> >> > > and Sarah (Sally) who married William Carman in 1792
in
>>>> Caswell
>>>> > County,
>>>> >> > NC
>>>> >> > > and moved to Smith County TN and raised their family
there.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > If there is any link to your Stafford family please
let me
>>>> know.
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>> >> > keep
>>>> >> > > hoping that Betsy or Sally Quine may help solve the
puzzle of
>>>> >> > Redmond
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Thanks,
>>>> >> > > Leanne.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
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>>>> >> > >
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>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
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>>>> >> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>
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