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Neenieone(a)cs.com
Subject: {not a subscriber} Lots of Carman's...HELP!
Hello Everyone!
I need a bit of help here, hopefully someone can help. I am trying to
find out about My 5xGreat Grandfather, Elkanah Carman. He m. Ann Gritman
2-18-1792. Few details are known about Elkanah. I have a little history on
him and a few of his children's names. One of which is my 4x Great
Grandfather, Jacob Carman. He m. Elizabeth Mott. They are in the 1870 fed
census for N. Hempstead. They were living next to my 3x Great Grandfather
William H. Carman. The census said that Jacob was 80, so that means he was
born about 1790. It states that Elizabeth was 70, so she would be born about
1800. I have a lot of information there on down to myself that I will be
more than happy to share. I can give some names of Elkanah's kids, all the
names and almost all the dates of Jacob. If anyone can help, even a little
bit, I would GREATLY appreciate it!
Thanking in advance,
J. Christianson
This post was misfiled and is forwarded with appologies -- especially if I
had forwarded it earlier.
This refers to one of the many early mills operated by Carmans on Long
Island.
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:14:00 -0700
From: George Carman <geo_c(a)pacbell.net>
"Amityville was called West Neck South until 1840 and the road from
Hempstead to Babylon was flanked by only a few scattered houses. Colonel
Pyatt Conklin, son of Captain Jacob Conklin was one of the early land
owners. There was a grist mill and a saw mill on Ireland's Brook owned and
conducted by three successive generations of the Ireland's. Abraham Wanzer
erected one of the first houses in Babylon and Zebulon Ketcham built the
first motel [George Washington stayed there on his victory tour of Long
Island].
The old flour and grist mill on the bank of Carman's pond, bordering the
South Turnpike at Amityville was built about two centuries ago [this book
being written in 1924] by Thomas Carman, senior. His heirs sold the
property in 1886 to Dr. William Polk. He ran the mill for twenty years
thereafter.
Thomas Carman, Jr. built a companion mill on the opposite side of the pond
about seventy years ago. It ground wheat exclusively. The first Carman
mill was constructed of massive hewn timbers. The nails used in its
construction were hand-made. Although repaired several times the old
building retains its original lines. The machinery is operated by water
power. Almost two hundred persons carved their initials carved their names
on the shingles which covered the weather side. Many of them became
prominent in business and social circles in Amityville. Others moved away
and succeeded in life; others died, but the shingles formed one of the most
interesting collection of autographs on Long Island.
THOMAS CARMAN, SR. (WIVES MARY ??? AND RUTH ???
born and died Hempstead
"Thomas was doubtless a farmer (HTR 5:155). He was very likely a whaleman,
too; at one time at least (CEM 324). He served the town of Hempstead as
assessor in 1708, 1709, 1719/21, 1728 & 1729 and perhaps other years (HTR).
In the 1698 census he name appears followed by those of Mary and a Joseph
Carman ... has prompted claims that Joseph was son... However Joseph-3,
brother of Thomas-3, was a resident of Hempstead in 1699 and doubtless in
1698 too, and he does not appear elsewhere on the census... The name of
Thomas Carman often appears in the town books of Hempstead, especially in
connection with real estate transactions. He was a large property holder...
his home always seems to have been at Westbury, "at the plains edge", near
the highways to Merrick and Newbridge Neck. In 1755 he was listed as a Slave
holder (DHNY 3:861) His last will in which he called himself old was dated
7 Dec 1759 and prob. 1761. He mentions s. Thomas; daus. Mary, Sarah, Hannah,
Ruth & Phebe (surnames not given); son-in-law Jacob Hickes; "cousin" (very
likely meaning nephew) John Smith of Herricks (see Hannah-3); the last two
males being named executors. The rent from all his houses and lands were to
go to daus. Mary and Sarah, during their lives and up their deaths, to the
other children outright (WNYHS 6:36) - "John-1 Carman of Hempstead, Long
Island and Some of his Descendants Thru His Son John-2", Henry Alanson
Tredwell, Jr.
"I feel that the only excuse for assigning a son, Joseph, to Thomas-3 is due
to the fact that in the 1698 census, Thomas, Mary (wife of Thoms prob.) and
Joseph were found in the dwelling together. As I pointed out this must have
been Joseph-3." - Letter from Henry A. Tredwell, 1 Aug 1949, to an [unknown]
Mr. Carman, researching Adam Carman.
TOHMAS CARMAN, JR. (AKA "DUM TOM") Married ABIGAIL ??? 2ND SUSANNAH WOOD
(son of Thomas by second wife, Ruth)
"Thomas probably lived at or near Westbury, Long Island (HTR 5:128 & as he
was only son of his father). He was a mute (HTR 5:306/10; 6:176), probably
as a result of deafness, and was often called "Dumb Tom" Carman." - "John-1
Carman of Hempstead, Long Island and Some of his Descendants Thru His Son
John-2", Henry Alanson Tredwell, Jr.
Thomas Carman, husband of Sarah Brinkerhoff was a later generation and son
of John Carman / Lovinia Kissam.
confused? I am just writing it out.
George
Hello all. I am looking for any info. on Elkanah Carman. He seems to be a
mystery man.
I don't have a whole lot on him, but I know he married Ann Gritman 2-18-1792.
I have lots of info. on his descendants and am happy to share. I am stuck
on him and have no idea who his parents are or even when he was born. If
more info. is needed I have some about his children and such. Please let me
know of anything. Thanks - Jeanine
Does anyone have any descent line from Joseph Carman and Mary LaRue? All
Carman's to the mid- 1800's? Trying to trace my great grandfather was Hiram
Carman (from Allegany Cty N. Y. His father Edmund Carman married Lois Bailey
from Livingston Cty NY. )settled in Carman, Pa named after him in 1854. My
only clue to this is my little sister (dec) middled name was Dorothy LaRue.
Bev. P. Poidsqueaky(a)AOL.com
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:30:34 -0700
From: Anne Dyson <anne(a)dysonp.screaming.net>
To: patricia(a)echonyc.com
Subject: PML Search Result matching 'Carman' or 'CARMAN'
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Surname: ELLWOOD, MORGAN, PENNINGTON, RANT
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Morgan from Shropshire & Staffordshire
Rant from Mendham, Suffolk [James married Rachel Carman]Their son Edward
married Harriet Bryant