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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:53:48 -0800 (PST)
From: frodoa(a)att.net
To: carman-l(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: {not a subscriber} Another Resource GENROOTS
Here's a new web project that recently has come online
that might aid the Carman researcher. GENROOTS is
similiar to ROOTSWEB although not as big. You can even
get free genealogy web space!
http://www.genroots.com/
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 04:35:02 -0800 (PST)
From: frodoa(a)att.net
To: carman-l(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: {not a subscriber} GENDEX
GENDEX is one of the oldest and largest GEDCOM
repositories on the Internet and can be a tool for the
Carman Genealogist:
http://www.gendex.com/gendex/
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 04:20:59 -0800 (PST)
From: frodoa(a)att.net
To: Carman-l(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: {not a subscriber} Another GEDCOM repository
Another repository for GEDCOMS for the Carman Genealogist
containing quite a few:
http://www.mendenhall.org/mfa/gedcom/index.html
I think I already explained that the list is again moderated and all posts
come to me, the listowner for forwarding. Also a rule is: subscribers
must not post the posts of others.
Meant this long message to explain to Froddo why I did not wish to forward
the Ancestry URL without explanations
Sorry about that Froddo. My appologies.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 01:30:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Patricia Tidmarsh <patricia(a)echonyc.com>
Reply-To: CARMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: CARMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARMAN-L] Re: {not a subscriber} Re: GEDCOM
Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:30:30 -0800 (PST)
Resent-From: CARMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Thank you for your useful URL.
Perhaps you would reword your post to include your own experience with
Ancestry and include fees and guarantees to the submitter of the Gedcom.
<snip>
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 frodoa(a)att.net wrote:
> Another commericial GEDCOM service for the Carman
> Genealogist other than the one already mentioned by the
> listowner, is the Ancestry World Tree Service:
>
> http://www.ancestry.com/share/awt/main.htm
>
>
>
>
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Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project:
Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time.
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/
Thank you for your useful URL.
Perhaps you would reword your post to include your own experience with
Ancestry and include fees and guarantees to the submitter of the Gedcom.
The Ancestry site is one of many which accepts gedcoms, and the number of
sites offering this service grows every day. There is, however, a
significant difference in the
Rootsweb and Ancestry site which you, surprisingly, in view of your
previously stated objection to Rootsweb making money from sponsors who
subscribe to PML, did not mention. Ancestry is a subscription site.
The fee is certainly reasonable, but there are significant differences in
comparison to the Rootsweb site. Rootsweb, in addition to offering free
access to the public and guaranteeing they will never burn a CD with the
information, allows complete control of the gedcom by the
submitter. Corrections can be made by the submitter, or a complete new
gedcom can be submitted. In addition, others can add post-ems to the
gedcoms.
My own experience here has been very positive. I found a couple of people
had made a mistake in a date in my line -- I first put up a post-em and
wrote the original poster and the second poster. Later I removed the
postem since I felt it might be imperious and contentious. Then I
received email that the posters would remove the dates I
had questioned. Although I have no personal experience with Ancestry or
Familytreemaker, I understand it is almost impossible to remove
information from their gedcoms.
There are a number of other sites which are asking for gedcoms -- and
which are searchable and, as far as I know, are non-commercial sites which
charge only for expenses.
And then -- most unfortunately, there are sites about which questions have
been raised.
Beyond that -- there are sites which started out as hobbies and have been
bought by *big* companies -- and those placed no one even knows exist.
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 frodoa(a)att.net wrote:
> Another commericial GEDCOM service for the Carman
> Genealogist other than the one already mentioned by the
> listowner, is the Ancestry World Tree Service:
>
> http://www.ancestry.com/share/awt/main.htm
>
>
>
>
First, glad we're all here and survived the Millenium. Merry Christmas
and Happy New Year.
Want to urge everyone to search the WorldConnect Gedcom site. Names of
parents and spouses have been added so searching is MUCH easier.
This is a site on How to Avoid the Spammers Radar --
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/ctb562.htm
Regards,
Patricia
ListAdmin
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:26:59 -0800 (PST)
From: frodoa(a)att.net
To: carman-l(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Tilton-Carman connection
Secondary Source annotated "NJM" at the following
web site provides the connection.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~carman/carmauth.
htm
Frodoa
John--
In WorldConnect I saw your mention of Peter Tilton marrying a Carman.
I have a note that a NJ Tilton took the earmark of his "uncle"
Carman, and have read that the Titltons were in Lynn MA and moved with
Lady Moody to Gravesend. Samuel Carman my gr.....father moved from
Long Island NY (his 1728 will mentions property in Hempstead commons,
and Hungry Harbor) to MIddletown Monmouth County NY and may have had
property in the Tilton purchase in that area.
Can you suggest any URLs or sources that would give me more
information on this?
Thanks
Regards
Patricia
sorry Pat...I just replied before I saw your post....
Patricia Tidmarsh wrote:
> Please do not reply to this email to the list.
>
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 frodoa(a)att.net wrote:
>
> > I have been sending mail back and forth
> > with the list manager all afternoon
> > to have some clarification regarding
> > resending posts from PML to other
> > lists. Now the list owner has
> > done just that but told me with minutes
> > of sending the post that she did not
> > know the policy of PML.
> >
> > So does anyone know??? I believe
> > resending somebody's post from another
> > list without permission is a violation of
> > the originator's copyright. Rootsweb has
> > permission to redistribute to other lists
> > based on the AUP but that does not give
> > us license to move people's intellectual
> > property without permission. We are not
> > ROOTSWEB employee's
> >
> > Could we please get some clarification??
> >
> >
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This is ridiculous! Who would take the time to fight a list owner over
something that she has no control over? Someone as knowledgable as you
seem to be, Frodoa, should be able to figure this out without cluttering
the mailing list with this type of rhetoric. Please, lets not discuss
this any further. Thanks.
frodoa(a)att.net wrote:
> I have been sending mail back and forth
> with the list manager all afternoon
> to have some clarification regarding
> resending posts from PML to other
> lists. Now the list owner has
> done just that but told me with minutes
> of sending the post that she did not
> know the policy of PML.
>
> So does anyone know??? I believe
> resending somebody's post from another
> list without permission is a violation of
> the originator's copyright. Rootsweb has
> permission to redistribute to other lists
> based on the AUP but that does not give
> us license to move people's intellectual
> property without permission. We are not
> ROOTSWEB employee's
>
> Could we please get some clarification??
>
> ==============================
> Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time.
> RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists:
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:30:25 -0800
From: APUND(a)aol.com
To: patricia(a)echonyc.com
Subject: PML Search Result matching carman andnot obit
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Source: MOLAWREN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [MOLAWREN-L] Asa Carman and Kimmons family
To Judy or any Kimmons or Carman researcher:
Do you know the relationship of the Kimmons family to Eupha Carman and her
husband Asa Carman, Sr. whose graves are in Misemer cemetery (at least hers
is there, dated 1800 to 1844); and to W. M. Carman, also buried there, who
lived 1816 to 1896; and to Robert Carman, born 14 Nov 1837 "and killed in the
war of 1861," according to Robert Kimmons.
I recently came across a Kimmons family tree which said that Isabel Cummins
(alternate spelling used in NC) who was born abt 1783 in Guilford Co., NC,
married Asa Carman 25 Nov 1803 in Guilford Co. Isabel was the daughter of
Robert Cummins and Elizabeth Gilbert who have been cited as parents of the
Robert Kimmins who went to MO. (so she's his sister). Are all the Carmans
related?
Thanks for any light you can shed on these people.
Nancy Pundsack, Kimmons descendant
P.S. I noticed that Robert Kimmons in his Misemer Cemetery Record Book listed
Eupha Carman's death as 1844, age 44, and the book, Lawrence Co. Missouri
Tombstone Inscriptions has her death in 1884. No doubt it was hard to read on
the tombstone.
Please do not reply to this email to the list.
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 frodoa(a)att.net wrote:
> I have been sending mail back and forth
> with the list manager all afternoon
> to have some clarification regarding
> resending posts from PML to other
> lists. Now the list owner has
> done just that but told me with minutes
> of sending the post that she did not
> know the policy of PML.
>
> So does anyone know??? I believe
> resending somebody's post from another
> list without permission is a violation of
> the originator's copyright. Rootsweb has
> permission to redistribute to other lists
> based on the AUP but that does not give
> us license to move people's intellectual
> property without permission. We are not
> ROOTSWEB employee's
>
> Could we please get some clarification??
>
>
> ==============================
> Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time.
> RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists:
> http://pml.rootsweb.com/
>
I have been sending mail back and forth
with the list manager all afternoon
to have some clarification regarding
resending posts from PML to other
lists. Now the list owner has
done just that but told me with minutes
of sending the post that she did not
know the policy of PML.
So does anyone know??? I believe
resending somebody's post from another
list without permission is a violation of
the originator's copyright. Rootsweb has
permission to redistribute to other lists
based on the AUP but that does not give
us license to move people's intellectual
property without permission. We are not
ROOTSWEB employee's
Could we please get some clarification??
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:29:23 -0800
From: Don Hetherington <dhether(a)relax.com.au>
To: patricia(a)echonyc.com
Subject: PML Search Result matching carman andnot obit
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Source: GENANZ-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Surnema Interests
Hello Listers.
Researching CARMAN, EMERY, MACE.
Charles EMERY b.abt 1838, d.1906 b. Cornelian Bay, Tas.
married Eleanor Agnes MACE b. abt 1841, d.1907, b. Cornelian Bay, Tas.
Children - Agnes, Alice and 4 sisters and 1 brother.
Agnes and her brother stayed in England, Alice moved to Tas in 1885 as a
nanny to a clergy's family. Charles, Eleanor and the rest of the children
moved to Tas in 1889.
Alice married Frederick Arthur CARMAN and they raised 16 children, the
youngest Kenneth William CARMAN was my wife's father.
Do we have any conections?
Caio
--
Don Hetherington
Lalor Vic Aust 3075
ph 61 3 9465 1916
Email: dhether(a)relax.co.au
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 frodoa(a)att.net wrote:
> Back from the holidays. I had a bit of a problem
> subscribing but the issue was clarified. It seems I was
> on the reject list for this list. However, it would
> appear that I had not violated any known policy. The
> list owner suggested I read the Acceptable Use Policy
> (AUP) and the netiquette sections on the Rootsweb Main
> page. I have done so again, to ensure that I have not
> missed anything new.
>
> However, the AUP did raise some questions that I
> think the answers would be pertinent to all. So I
> direct the questions to our gracious list manager and
> hope her answers will enlighten me and other members of
> the list.
>
> Policy #3 by the AUP states that you authorized ROOTSWEB
> to redistribute your posts. So I would assume that
> this post could be sent to subscribers of the new
> Personalized Mail List (PML) service if they are
> filtering for "CARMAN" let's say.
>
> Policy #4 Post only material you own.
>
> So my question, can you post messages received via the
> PML service to other lists without permission of the
> copyright holder???
>
> Frodoa
>
>
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Back from the holidays. I had a bit of a problem
subscribing but the issue was clarified. It seems I was
on the reject list for this list. However, it would
appear that I had not violated any known policy. The
list owner suggested I read the Acceptable Use Policy
(AUP) and the netiquette sections on the Rootsweb Main
page. I have done so again, to ensure that I have not
missed anything new.
However, the AUP did raise some questions that I
think the answers would be pertinent to all. So I
direct the questions to our gracious list manager and
hope her answers will enlighten me and other members of
the list.
Policy #3 by the AUP states that you authorized ROOTSWEB
to redistribute your posts. So I would assume that
this post could be sent to subscribers of the new
Personalized Mail List (PML) service if they are
filtering for "CARMAN" let's say.
Policy #4 Post only material you own.
So my question, can you post messages received via the
PML service to other lists without permission of the
copyright holder???
Frodoa