Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state.
Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb
Hi-- I'm still working on changing over the web page and reworking it.
In the meantime==
An article about search engines, which might be interesting
http://websearch.about.com/library/weekly/aa070699.htm
I was surprised to find that Yahoo is not the most powerful search
engine.If you have any comments on your experiences, do post to the list.
Hope you are having good research results. I have had very good results
in one direction, but seem to have lost ancestors on another -- oh my.
a contrary attribution -- need to look into it.
We are getting nice breezes here. Welcome after hazy hot and humid
weather defeats the A/C.
Correction and test - Archives
Earlier today I sent a message referring to the settlement of Mespat
Long Island New Netherlands.
DOCUMENT:
One reference is from the New York Dutch Colonial documents series listing
of deeds:
"1642 March 28 Deed from Gov. Kieft to Rev. Frances Doughty and
associates, for a township at Mespat, LI."
SOURCING:
Sorry didnt note the actual source of this fundamental source for NA LI
NY. Will either note and repost another test addition, or search in
library catalogs and also test repost and addition.
Or -- in a couple of months when I return to the Library to pay fines,
could actually make a note of the source and repost.
Further to the two John-1 Carmans controversy -- this is the oft-quoted
Winthrop entry again--
This time in an online History of Lynn MA
Annals of Lynn 1637
This year a large number of people removed from Lynn, and
commenced a new settlement at Sandwich. The grant of the
town was made on the 3d of April, by the colony of Plymouth.
11 It is ordered, that these ten men of Saugus, namely, Edmund
Freeman, Henry Feake, Thomas Dexter, Edward Dillingham,
William Wood, John Carman, Richard Chadwell, William Almy,
Thomas Tupper, and George Knott, shall have liberty to view
a place to sit down on, and have land sufficient for three score
families, upon the conditions p'ropounded to them by the Gov-
ernor and Mr. Winslow." Thomas Dexter did not remove, but
the rest of the above named went, with forty-six other men from
Lynn."
Henry Feake also went to Long Island, according to this source.
HENRY FEAKE- was admitted a freeman, 14 May, 1632, and removed to Sandwich in 1637. [He was a Representative in
1643 and '4. About 1656 he was residing at Newtown, L. 1.
John Dillingham married a daughter of his, 24 March, 1654.]
Source:
Chapter 2 of Volume 1 of the
History Of Lynn Massachusetts by Alonzo Lewis and James R. Newhall,
published 1890.
http://genweb.net/~books/ma/lynn1/lynn02Ch2.txt
OPINION:
I think that Henry Feake was associated with the widow of Governor
Winthrop's son, Henry, and was a subject of Anya Seton's "The Winthrop
Woman", a historical novel based in early Boston, Lynn, Connecticut and
eLong Island.
I believe that Thomas Tupper was admitted to the Boston Church at
the same time John Carman was, and that he was also in early Long Island
possibly with Doughty's early Mespat settlement circa 1642-1643 which was
inhabited briefly and then destroyed in an Indian conflict.
There are some new features for the GenConnect Boards = Continuous preview
edit -- A searchbar -- Notification format. Descriptions follow at the
end of this post.
The GenConnectQuery Boards offer you a chance to put your queries
permanently on a web site which will be widely searchable. The queries
should give the name, surname, date and place [estimated is okay]. The
second box should include all surnames in the query (spouse, in-laws,
mother's maiden name, etc.) And the next box should give brief details.
It is not required to give an email address and you can request replies to
the list if you like.
The Documents boards are for permanent searchable archives for documents
in the public domain, or for abstracts.
In either case it is important not to post personal or private data or
copyrighted material.
ANNOUNCEMENT ==
The GenConnect Team made the following announcement on July 6, 1999:
If you haven't visited the GenConnect board(s) lately, you should go
andsee the latest additions!
For the Visitors:
* Continuous preview/edit - Now the visitor can preview,
then edit then preview again, then edit, ad infinitum
until they get it the way they want.
* NEW Searchbar! Located on the main screen for every board, this
searchbar allows the visitor to set many options that were
previously only
available by visiting the Search/Personalize Your Display Screen.
The searchbar allows the visitor to search for keywords or phrases,
to set
the number of messages displayed on the main screen, and also to
determine in what order they're displayed. The [Search/Personalize
Your Display] screen is still available for advanced searching ....
like searching by poster.
* New Notification format. Now the automated notifications that the
visitors can sign up for clearly identify where to go to read the
message, where to go to subscribe or unsubscribe from the
notification
list, and also now show the surnames that are entered on the
message.
List members--
The Carman Web Space has moved to
http://patricia.rootsweb.com/carman
If anyone is interested in adopting a variant surname page, board or
cluster the final deadline for filling out the form to adopt these pages
is July 5. These are pages and boards created by Rootsweb and supported
by advertising so you do not have to be a Rootsweb sponsor to have
these specific pages and boards.
I want to thank all of your for your support for the Carman-L at Rootsweb,
and I think we will see a lot of progress in research -- and a lot of
changes.
Regards
Patricia
Ancestry is giving free access to military records this Fourth of July
weekend at
http://www.ancestry.com/advsearch.htm
select the Military database
Included are
Andersonvillve POW
LA CSA
Civil War Database
MD Civil War soldiers
Abstracts of patriot graves
Post the names of your ancestors who served in the military to the list.
Listmembers--
Another of Ed Murray's posts from Helen Silvey's archives. This about
Natalie Naylor's recent book about Long Island. Ms. Naylor is at
Hostfra and connected with the Long Island Studies Institute.
============================================================
Packet: LIFEBBS
Date: 12-26-95 (16:50) Number: 385061
From: HELEN SILVEY Refer#: NONE
To: CARMAN Recvd: NO
Subj: CARMAN COUSINS Conf: (1053) Genealogy
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 1/12/95 Edwin Murray posted to All on Prodigy:
Subject: CARMAN, JOHN 1643
On 5 November 1993 papers were presented at a conference on THE ISLAND
OF NASSAU: HEMPSTEAD AND BEYOND SYMPOSIUM COMMENORATING THE
..?.,ANNIVERSARY OF HEMPSTEAD. This conference was sponsored by
Hofstra University's Long Island Studies Institute. Now a book
containing the papers has been published called THE ROOTS AND
HERITAGE OF HEMPSTEAD. It is edited by Natalie A. Naylor and is
published by Heart of the Lakes Publishing, Box 299,
Interlaken, NY. 14847-0299. The publishers phone is
1-800-782-9687. The cost of the book in softback is #15.00. If you tie
into John and Florence CARMAN who came to Long Island in 1643,
John was one of the people who signed the deed with the Indians
to buy the area now called Hempstead, you might find this a good
book to learn about the early years of Hempstead. The book has
the following chapters:
1. News from Lange Exlandt: The 1604's and 1650's.
2. Heemstede: An English Town under Dutch Rule.
3. Thomas Rushmore, a Long Island Pioneer.
4. Vignettes of Hempstead town, 1648 to 1800.
5. Evolution of Rock Hall from Colonial "Great House" to House Museum.
6. Landmarks Preservation in the Town of Hempstead.
In the Appendices yu will find:
1. Indian Deeds - 1639, 1643, and 1657.
2. Kieft Patent, Hempstead, 1644.
3. The early proprietors of Hempstead and the 1654 List.
4. Daniel Denton's Long Island, 1670.
5. The Hempstead Plains.
9. Plus other materials including some early maps.
On page 82 there is a piciture of the mural in the Hempstead Village
Hall by Robert Gaston Herbert that shows "The first real-estate
transaction in Hempstead." November 13, 1643, Tackapoushe, the
"One-Eyed" sachem, and other Indians conveyed the land that
comprises the present town of Hempstead to the Reverend ROBERT
FORDHAM and JOHN CARMAN.
"THE FIFTY ORIGINAL PROPRIETORS OF HEMPSTEAD" BY GEORGE D. A. COMBS.
This is an article found in the Summer-Fall 1969 issue of the Nassau
Caunty Historical Society Journal. Part of this article is
about John CARMAN.
"John Carman is believed to have died in 1653 and shortly thereafter,
say in 1653-54, the widow Florence CARMAN married John HICKS of
Flushing, and he then moved to Hempstead where he continued to
live and became an important man in the community. John HICKS
was living in Flushing December 11, 1653, when he signed a
petition to Governor Stuyvasant, and his removal to Hempstead
probably took place in 1654. The list shows 'Mr. GILDERSTLEEVE
at Merocke for his owne right, 26 acres. for Mr CARMAN's right
at Merocke, 29 acres.' We believe this is the only mention of
John CARMAN on the list, and that the correct inference to be
drawn is that John Carman was deceased prior to the making of
the list, and that part of his property had passed into the
hands of Mr. GILDERSLEEVE, either by sale or bequest, or
perhaps Mr. GILDERSLEEVE was made guardian of some of the
younger children when the widow remarried. The list entry, 'Mr.
FOREDAM's (FORDHAM'S) mecke John CARMAN Num 16,10 acres' we
believe to refer to John CARMAN's Jr holding 'for estate'. The
list also shows. 'Mr. FOREDOME's necke Mr. HICKS propriety 44.
In ye same neck for (William) LAWRENCE 13. In Mr. FOREDOME's
necke number 21.13.' This record we believe proves the date of
the list was 1654 or later, after HICKS had removed from
Flushing and after his marriage to the widow CARMAN. The land
represented, perhaps, the widow's share in her husband's
estate, land formerly owned by John or William LAWRENCE, who had
removed to Flushing, and land held for estate number 21 which
might have formerly been CARMAN's or perhaps allotted to HICKS
after CaARMAN's death."
Also in this issue of the Nassau County Historical Society Journal are
other articles by Combes. They were "Early Hempstead
1643-44","The naming of Hempstead", "The Early Ministers of
Hempstead", and the "The First Revolutionary Battle on Long
Island: Battle of Hempstead Swamp."
In the Nassau County Historical society Journal, Volume XXX, 1970,
Number 1-2 there is an article called A NEW LOOK AT THE FIRST
SETTLERS, by Bernice Marshall. In the article she says "The
first English arrivals in the present towns of Hempstead and
North Hempstead had probably all settled first in Massachusetts
Bay in the 1630's, the decade when Charles I ruled unchecked by
Parliament. Some 20,000 fled England for the Bay Colony before
the defeat of the king caused this great migration to taper off
rapidly". She then explains the movement southward from
Massachusetts. "Within two years (1643) they were again planning
to move on, sending
Rev. Robert FORDHAM and John CARMAN to arrange for land on Long Island
under Dutch jurisdiction..." "The Hempstead purchase of land
from the Indians is dated December 13, 1643. The settlers would
scarcely have dared to begin building before this date. Yet by
april, 1644, Rev. Robert FORDHAM had a house with a cellar...It
has also been said that the main body of settlers arrived fin
1644..." When the settlers came from England with "often merely
a chest or two and a spinning wheel. Metal tools and chains,
pots, fireplace tools, pewter tablewre, brass candlesticks made
of what the settlers possessed on landing." The proprietors at
Hempstead "received in all a three acre home lot, a 22 1/2 acre
logt, a 50 acre lot and a 100 acre lot - a total of 175 1/2
acres." The whole article is 10 pages. If yu want to know what
conditions were like for John and Florence CARMAN at Hempstead
I think you would enjoy reading the whole article.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
** My family tree has dry rot.**
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++