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Patricia,
The most recent edition of the Rootsweb Review was
sent on the 8th of December. I didn't see the article.
Aside from that, as I stated this morning. If you belong
to this list, Rootsweb automatically sends you the
Rootsweb Review. I think reposting the entire article
that is already delivered via email to a waste of
bandwith and redundant. Back issues of the Rootsweb
review are located online and the following link would
have been sufficient:
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/19990324.txt
As far as reprinting articles there is a general
permission on Rootsweb Reviews on the bottom of the
newsletter.
"PERMISSION TO REPRINT articles from ROOTSWEB REVIEW is
granted unless specifically stated otherwise, PROVIDED:
(1) the reprint is used for non-commercial, educational
purposes; and (2) the following notice appears at the
end of the article:
Written by <author's name, e-mail address, and URL,
if given>. Previously published by RootsWeb.com, Inc.,
RootsWeb Review: RootsWeb's Genealogy News, Vol. 2, No.
49, 8 December 1999. RootsWeb:
<http://www.rootsweb.com/> "
In the current issue of the Rootsweb Review Myra
Gormley writes about privacy issues. I have her
permission to copy it and so so convenience. In
essence it suggests not passing along personal
information for living people.
The guidelines she suggests also apply well to the
work of living people.
OXYMORON: PRIVACY AND THE INTERNET
by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG
<RWR-editors(a)rootsweb.com>
Genealogists use RootsWeb and the incredible power of
the
Internet to learn more about ancestors and to find
far-flung
cousins. However we are caught in an incongruous
position onprivacy matters.
Everyone wants their privacy respected, but are you
invading that
of your relatives? Technology enables us to share
genealogical
information easily and quickly via e-mail, mailing
lists, chat
rooms, bulletin boards, newsgroups, GEDCOMs, CDs and
Web sites.
In our eagerness to obtain and to share data we forget
that our
living family members have a right to privacy. We also
post
personal details about ourselves that we would not put
on the
local supermarket bulletin board.
Aunt Martha might reveal her real birth date and
confess that she
had a child out of wedlock when she was 19. Sweet old
Uncle Jim
may tell you that he has been married and divorced six
times.
However, you are invading their privacy if you publish
this
information or if you share it with others via a
GEDCOM or family
group sheets. Information on home pages, bulletin
boards, and
mailing lists is electronic publication. It is OK to
collect and
compile information about your living relatives, but
don't share
it (unless you have their permission, of course) with
others --
in any format via any means.
During the preparation of a talk for my local
genealogical
society on this subject, I searched hundreds of
genealogy-related
home pages. At one I found the names and details about
everyone
in the family, including when and where they were all
born, right
down to a one-month-old grandson, listing the hospital
in whichhe was born.
One researcher reports, "In just one file that I
downloaded . . .
I found more than 200 names of persons born within the
last 70years . . ."
Another notes, "I was shocked and dismayed to find
that someone
had copied my entire GEDCOM and put it up on their Web
site.
While I have no objection to anyone using my dead
ancestors, this
person had included the living as well . . ."
Now, I've heard from several genealogists who claim it
does not
matter what we put up on our home pages or share on
the Internet
since "this information is all public information,
anyway."
Another one argues that "unless and until they quit
putting
births, deaths and marriages in the newspapers the
basic
relationships and names are and will remain public
info."
I have no quarrel about marriage and death records --
if they are
really obtained from public sources. However, I asked
several
correspondents to provide me with the source of the
birth
information posted on their home pages, and guess what
I learned?
In every instance the data were either supplied by a
cousin or
obtained from a GEDCOM that someone had sent them. In
other
words, they had not found the information in a public
source atall.
Take a look at the policy posted at "Don't Mess with
the Living,
Texas"
<http://home.sprynet.com/~harrisfarm/warning.htm>:
"It is the policy of the Texas GenWeb Project to
protect
the rights and privacy of our living relatives.
We
strongly encourage all involved to do their best
not to
place information on the Internet about anyone
who is
still living, unless you have their express
permission to do so."
Among the suggestions for ways to protect living
family membersare:
-- When requesting information (via e-mail, chat,
queries, etc.)
do not include personal information on living
persons.
-- When responding to requests for information,
especially to
someone you really do not know, do not provide them
with
personal information about living persons. They
could post
it on the Web or do who knows what else with it.
-- Before sharing GEDCOM files with others, expunge
information
on all living persons. Programs such as GEDClean,
GEDLiving,
and GEDPrivy will do this for you.
-- If you have a genealogy Web site, remove
information about all
living persons. (Check Cyndi's Genealogy Home Page
Construction Kit
<http://www.cyndislist.com/construc.htm> for
tips and links to the several GEDCOM utility
programs that
will exclude such data.)
British genealogists are using the "GEN100" logo to
signify that
their Web site respects a cut-off date of 100 years,
and to
advise that information which is less than 100 years
old will not
be divulged. Many Americans use January 1920 as the
cut-off
point, since that is the most recent federal census
available tothe public.
We should exercise good manners and respect the
privacy of our
families -- those generous relatives who have shared
information
with us or who shared with a cousin of a cousin.
Additionally,
there is another and growing problem -- identity
theft. Why make
it easy for cyberthieves to steal your or a loved
one's identity?
When you post public messages about your research, it
is
sufficient to say you are researching a Cynthia Jones
line. You
don't have reveal relationship by saying she is your
mother or
maternal grandmother. To learn more about identity
theft and
other privacy issues visit:
<http://www.identitytheft.org/> and
<http://www.privacyrights.org/>.
In the pursuit of our ancestors, let's not hurt
ourselves or our
living family members. Think before you post or share
data.
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Great care should be taken when studying the
Daniel Kissam Families. There were approx.
four Daniel Kissams all living at the same time and
in the same region.
Actual this grouping of folks were related to
Gabriel Carman's wife. The only known relationship
to Gabriel is by law.
As a side note this same Kissam group also ties
to a separate Carman line that migrated from Long
Island to the Dutchess County area.
A complete citation for this will:
New York Historical Society, Collections of the
New York Historical Society, Year 1903, Abstracts
of Wills on File in the Surrogates Office,
City of New York, Volume 11, Unrecorded Wills
Prior to 1790. pp. 102-103.
This Will appears to refer to relatives of Gabriel
Carman. I believe that the Hannah Strong mentioned
left property in upstate New York left to her by her
sister Martha Wood to her nephew Gabriel Carman. (More
specific references can be found in the Carman or
Carman-Roots list archives.)
Abstracts of Unrecorded Wills, Vol XI, Prior to 1790,
pages 102 &103:
In the name of God, Amen. December 23, 1728. I, DANIEL
KISSAM, of Queens
County, yeoman, being sick and weak. I leave to my
true and loving wife Ann,
1/3 of my personal estate. But it is my will that in
ye first place she shall
have the sum of �^�50, due from Richbell Mott, of
Queens County, to me. Also
the use of 1/3 of my real estate, during her
widowhood, and no longer. I
leave to my daughter Elizabeth, all the rest of my
personal estate. I leave
to my son Joseph, all my real estate, lands, and
houses, and meadows. If he
dies under age, then to my daughter Elizabeth. If both
die, then to my
sister, Elizabeth Strong (or Long?), I leave �^�100,
and the rest to my
sisters, Hannah Kissam, Martha Wood, and Levina
Kissam. I make my honored
father, Daniel Kissam, of Queens County, executor.
Witnesses, William Burch, Benjamin Tredwell, Abel
Smith. Proved, March 24,
1728.
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Opinion and facts.
Patricia,
I take it your point was the fact that most
information on the net is subject to being manipulated
and used no matter what the consequences. We have an
example of that right here on this service! Point
number one, if you join a mail list on Rootsweb.
Rootsweb takes your email address from the list to which
you subscribe and without your permission places you on
two of their mail lists; Rootsweb Review and Missing
Links! Thus you get spammed by people who advocate
eliminating spam.
Second, to your point about information being
harvested by services, a company can choose it's
supporting advertisers with care. The following was in
the Rootsweb Review, which we all received!
"ADVERTISEMENTS...
NET DETECTIVE 2000 allows you to find out EVERYTHING
about your family, neighbors, employees and your boss!
Background checks, get criminal records, locate family
members, get a copy of your FBI file, all in the privacy
of your home. Start your investigation today!
<http://www.net-interprize.com/>"
Third, a new service was started by ROOTSWEB this
past month called the "Personalized Mailing List" a
service that will filter all incomming posts for the
criteria that you set. This service is only available if
you pay a fee. Now my question...If Rootsweb honors
copyright and we all hold copyright over our material in
accordance with Acceptable Use Policy...Then whose
permission was sought to use the material we post as a
profit/fundraising scheme?? Is this what the ambigious
statement about the right to redistribute materials.
You don't have to look at other commerical services
for how information is misused or distorted. It is
right in your own backyard.
This is not genealogy research
One of my favorite soapbox issues.
Also trying to demonstrate meaningful subjects and
quoting copyrighted material - in paraphrasing or
quoting material care should be taken not to distort
it.
Having seen last week an offer to provide information
about anyone, within an hour [fee $40 credit cards
accepted] I thought listers might be interested in
knowing that how to find genealogical information is
now included in classes in "Find Out Anything About
Anybody on the Net".
An advertisement for a short Course given by the
Learning Annex. (A commercial organization which gives
one session courses on subjects of popular interest.)
This is from their New Media/Internet section
"
FIND OUT ANYTHING ABOUT ANYBODY ON THE NET--
GUARANTEED!
Aside from technical issues, the biggest lament about
cyberspace is, How do I find what I'm looking for? In
this fun, informative class, you'll learn how to use
the Net's basic search mechanisms, refine your
searches and find out not just what but who is out
there.
You'll discover how you can easily conduct research,
find what you're looking for and eliminate idrrelevant
search results. With online technology you can: Find
genealogical information/birth information. Conduct
prospect research (fundraising) Screen potential
mates, partners, tenants, landlords, etc. Identify
prospective customers and investors. And more. Plus:
the best white pages, yellow pages and e-mail
directories to help you find what you need--fast!
Materials fee $3
Michael Meskers, M.A."
Course fee $39 [A 3 hour evening session, apparently
offered once a month]
Another argument for *not* posting information of
about living persons.
Regards
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Thanks Patricia,
That is what I needed to know. Essentially without
purchasing the books presently (The price stated at the
referenced link of several days ago)we don't know if
they hold any value for Carman Research. If anyone does
know if this source is of value for Carman Family
history let us know. There are some genealogical items
worth paying for but not without any clue of the value
towards your own research.
As I stated earlier, William Stillwell Carman does
place the LeStrange connections to the Carman Family and
there are Westchester Co., NY resources with more
information on this allied family.
reply to frodoa--
I have no further information on this page or the books of John R. Mayer
[1952-1998] The page appears to be an effort by his sister to make his
work available, as he would have done, had he lived long enough Three of
Mayer's books, about early origins of the name, and not apparently dealing
with the surname descendants in America, are listed in the Library of
Congress catalog. If the other books were published, it appears Mayer did
not follow the usual practice of placing a copy in the LOC. Mr Mayer is
fortunate in having a sister who wishes to preserve his unfinished work.
I do not know the content of the books, nor their price. I would imagine
that when the books regarding American descendants are republished, they
would be available in some libraries.
As list administrator I often post information to provide clues, pointers.
or finding aides for sources of information which I think might interest
present or future Carman researchers, as well as information about new or
useful resources or features on the internet. I do not endorse them and
it would not be possible for me to investigate them. I encourage
subscribers to share their experiences with them and express kindly and
construkctive opinions.
On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 frodoa(a)att.net wrote:
> Patricia,
>
> Any response to my query on your post the
> other day and it's connection to Carman?
>
>
>
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As of noon today the Threaded archives for
Carman-l have been updated for the first time in a
week. A new month has been added.
for a quick link:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CARMAN-L/1999-12/
Dear Carman researchers,
I just found a statement in the NYGB Record Vol 103 Number 4, October 1972,
pg. 231 in an article by Kenneth Scott <SETTLERS WEST OF THE HIGHLANDS,
ORANGE COUNTY, 1715
which states, "23 JOHN YARVALTON of Jamaica, Long Island, on 7 October 1715
was conveyed land in Orange County by John Everett and Samuel Clowes (R&C19).
On 30 September 1757 letters of Administration were granted to John
Yelverton on the estate of August Oldfield of Orange County, and on 12 April
1758 he was granted letters of Adminstration on the estate of JOHN CARMAN of
Orange County (WNYHS5:433,435). In his willl dated 24 March 1760 and proved
17 August 1767 John Yelverton of New Windsor, Ulster County, merchant
bequeathed to his son Anthony 450 punds and all his estate in the township of
Goshen (NYHS 7:85).
This is FYI and also I wonder if anyone knows anything about the folks so
mentioned, particularly, the relationship between John Yarvalton and John
Carman.
The WNYH must refer to the will published by the New York Genealogical and
Biographical Society.
Thank you very much, Phoebe
Looking for the parents of CARMAN CARPENTER of Orange Co. NY
Steve,
Welcome and thanks for participating in building a permanent free
searchable Carman archive at Rootsweb.
Regards,
Patricia Carman Tidmarsh
ListAdmin - Carman-L(a)rootsweb.com
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, stephen elliott wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My name is Stephen Elliott, I am searching for my Carman Line,
>
> If any one has any of these Carman's in there line could you please get back to me.
>
> Herbert Caman. my G Grandfather
>
> Not sure of wife yet.
>
> Children are as follows, I think they are all from Yorkshire,England.
>
> Herbert Carman. "My Grandfather",
> Albert Carman.
> Lovis Carman.
> Phillip Carman.
> Ada Carman.
> Arthur Carman.
> Morris Carman.
>
>
> Herbert Carman, My Grandfather, Married Margory Evans, in or around 1917--1920.
>
> In Yorkshire,England.
>
> There children are as follows.
>
> Herbert Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1919
>
> Kenneth Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1921
>
> Marjorie Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, 1923
> (My Mother)
>
> Eric Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1925
>
> Dorothy Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1927
>
> Pauline Carman, born : Shipley Yorkshire, Around,--1930.
>
> Laurance Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1932.
>
>
> As you can see, I do not have much on the Carman Family, and would appreciate, any help available.
>
> Regards
>
> Stephen
>
> In Ozz
>
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Hi All,
My name is Stephen Elliott, I am searching for my Carman Line,
If any one has any of these Carman's in there line could you please get back to me.
Herbert Caman. my G Grandfather
Not sure of wife yet.
Children are as follows, I think they are all from Yorkshire,England.
Herbert Carman. "My Grandfather",
Albert Carman.
Lovis Carman.
Phillip Carman.
Ada Carman.
Arthur Carman.
Morris Carman.
Herbert Carman, My Grandfather, Married Margory Evans, in or around 1917--1920.
In Yorkshire,England.
There children are as follows.
Herbert Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1919
Kenneth Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1921
Marjorie Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, 1923
(My Mother)
Eric Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1925
Dorothy Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1927
Pauline Carman, born : Shipley Yorkshire, Around,--1930.
Laurance Carman, born : Shipley, Yorkshire, around,--1932.
As you can see, I do not have much on the Carman Family, and would appreciate, any help available.
Regards
Stephen
In Ozz
Carman/Lestrange ties can be found in William Stillwell
Carman's Manuscript, Book 7 available at the New
York Public Library or via FHL Microfiche. The
Book is entitled, Gabriel Carman.
Patricia,
I give up. Which book on your recommended
link deals with the LeStrange family that links
to Carman???
$75.00 bongo bucks for a book is a little steep to find
out.
Do we know if this series has information on the
Carmans?? There are twelve volumnes to choose from
and many are currently not in print.
For the uninitiated the LeStrange ties to the
Carman family came in the early 18th Century
New York with the Gabriel Carman Line.
The following sites support the
LeStrange and various spelling variations
Passenger List Entries Containing the Names
Strang, Strange, Strong, Stronge, & Other Variations
http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~vickerst/passlist.html
Strange Home Page by John R. Mayer
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/a/y/John-R-Mayer/
THE STRONG QUEST GENEALOGY WEB SITE including
THE STRONG GENEALOGY MAIL LIST WEB SITE
Family history and genealogy of the following surnames,
anywhere, anytime: Strong, Stronge,Strang, Strange,
LeStrange, L'Estrange, Straughn, Straughan,Strahan,
Strawn, Strachan, and any other surname that is
phonetically, graphically, or etymologic
http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Quest/
"What's new on Cyndi's List" goves a source for L'estrange genealogy.
"URL: http://www.tir.com/~bjway/
TITLE: Arapacana Press
DESCRIPTION: A genealogical publishing house focusing on the
writings of John R. Mayer. His "Extraneus" series of books
concentrates on the following surnames: Strange, Extraneus, le
Strange, L'Estrange, de Lestrange,Alloway Strange, Strang, Strong,
Stronge, and d'Estreng."
Following Listster's lead on topic.
The following lists various Genealogy databases
FamilySearch(r) Developed by the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, it includes
a number of databases, indexes, and catalogs.
As of 1996 these included:
- Ancestral File (tm)
- Interneational Genealgoical Index (tm)
- Social Security Death Index
- Military Index (Korea and Vietnam war dead)
- TempleReady
- Personal Ancestral File (r)
- Family History Library Catalog (tm)
Looking at the subsets that can be accessed
separately
Ancestral File (tm)
Lineage linked database 15 million persons
Released for the first time in 1989. The
initial database was provided by the LDS 200,000
family groups.
IGI (discussed today)
U.S. Social Security Death Index
Includes information on more than 50 million
people who lived in the U.S.
Military Index
Provides birth date and home residence, date, rank
and service number for the tour of duty, date and
location of death, religious affiliation and marital
status and race. It is not all inclusive.
TempleReady
This is church specific to the LDS but it
is part of FamilySearch.
Personal Ancestral File (PAF)
Genealogy software package butilt by the LDS
it supports GEDCOM.
Family Group Records Collection
Lineage-linked database that is not part of
FamilySearch. Microfilm of Group Sheets
submitted by members of the LDS Church
from 1924 to 1978. (10 million sheets)
Subsections:
- The Patron Section
2 million sheets submitted from 1962 to
1978 for people born since around 1850.
Many duplicate records in here.
- The Main Section
8 million sheets for deceased people
born before 1870. Submitted betwen 1942
and 1969
PRIVATE RESEARCH DATABASES
Automated Archives
Owned by Blue Banner, Borderbund.
Lineages
A professional research company. 1.65
million names.
Mormon Pioneer Genealogy Library
Manual databases includes thousands
of pedigrees and family group records
Torrey's New England Marriages to 1790
A great deal of information is out
there. And they all tell you the same thing!
It is up to you to determine the validity of
the information.
Statistics for this post were derived from the
book, "Source, A Guidebook of American Genealogy"
previously mentioned.
Linda has given me written permission to quote her
email to another list.
With many excellent sites on the net, it helps to know
exactly what you are looking for.
In addition to how-to-access step-by-step instructions
for the IGI FHC site she has listed some microfilms
which are transcriptions of records. Worth scrolling
down to.
I too have found some valuable information from the
IGI at LDS, (not all is
patron submitted!) specifically those whose batch #'s
begin with an M (forr
marriage record) or C (for Christening). My
understanding is that this
information was taken from the microfilmed copies of
the church records at
LDS. Below are the steps to access starting with the
LDS search page.
Obviously you can skip 1 & 2 and go right to 3
depending on where you're at
when you start.
Following these instructions, I've pasted a file I've
started giving some of
the batch numbers I've come across in my searches. (I
left my OH finds in
to, in case anyone was interested)
At the LDS home page http://www1.familysearch.org/
You will find 3 file folders and have a choice of
Ancestor Search, Keyword
Search or Custom Search.
Choose Custom Search, which will take you to:
http://www1.familysearch.org/Search/customhomepage.asp
Here, again you have several choices, click
International Genealogical Index
which will take you to:
http://www1.familysearch.org/Search/searchigi.asp
A) Fill in Name or just last name
B) Under Region, you will be required to choose. From
the Drop down menu
click North America
C) For Batch Number, fill in the batch you wish to
search
D) Click Search.
E) If lucky, a page full of results will come up which
you can click each
for more information. If a baptism, this will include
the names of the
parents, if a marriage, the spouse. Unfortunately, no
sponsors are listed
here.
County ST WHAT BATCH WHERE
Bergen NJ bapt/marr C505531 Bergen RDC
Middlesex NJ ? C505701 1st Prebs Church
Monmouth NJ bapt C505721 Freehold/Middletown RDC
Somerset NJ bapt C505781 Harlingen RDC
Albany NY bapt C506192 Albany 1st RDC
Dutchess NY marr M510281 1st RDC Poughkeepsie
Dutchess NY marr M510531 Fishkill, DRC
Hopewell, Duchess NY marr M510271 DRC
Jamaica NY bapt C515061 RDC
New Utrecht NY bapt C510301 RDC
New York NY marr M510591 Trinity Church Parish
NY bapt C505611 NY RDC
NY bapt C505612 NY RDC
NY bapt C510311 St George's Hempstead
NY marr M510311 St George's Hempstead
? Oh marr M513451 Hamilton, OH"
? Oh marr M513452 Hamilton, OH"
Butler Oh marr M514511
Clermont Oh marr M514462
Clermont Oh marr M514463
Clinton Oh marr M514281
Fayette Oh marr M513021
Greene Oh marr M514263
Greene Oh marr M514265
Logan Oh marr M514431
Logan Oh marr M514432
Logan Oh marr M514433
Miami Oh marr M514531
Miami Oh marr M514532
Miami Oh marr M514533
Warren Oh marr M513141
Warren Oh marr M513142
Warren Oh marr M513143
Linda Boorom
> I am replying to the following message from you:
> < "Margaret McDaniel" msmcdan(a)humboldt1.com>
>
> >I have found that when there is a "C" or "M" in the
IGI
> >source number, it indicates that the
> >information was extracted from Christening or
> >Marriage records and are more reliable than those
> >that were merely submitted.
snip
> How kind of you to send this information, teach me
> how to do this and take the time to show the results
> in your E-mail.
>
> Thank you, Carma
>
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