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Ancestry has put the AGBI online. Worth making a search to see if
your ancestors are mentioned. If so,
look for the source of the citation to see the original.
The American Genealogical-Biographical Index, or AGBI, is called one
of the mostimportant genealogical collections and the equivalent of
over 200 printed volumes in one database. The AGBI database contains
millions of records for persons whose names have appeared in printed
genealogical records and family histories.
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---Patricia Tidmarsh <ptidmars(a)shiva.hunter.cuny.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:13:08 -0800
> From: Richard A. Pence <richardpence(a)pipeline.com>
> To: GENMTD-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Newgroups: soc.genealogy.methods
> Subject: Re: Citing Sources
>
>
> cahobbies(a)aol.com (CAhobbies) wrote:
>
> >You see the general slant of my comments here. I will document all
of the
> >above in my "notes" in any case. However, if I "publish" or
"submit" family
> >information - I'm asking about - the accepted definition of "citing
your
> >sources".
>
> Everything has a "source," Debbie - but not all sources can be
> considered "documentation." One hope that your reader will be alert
> enough to realize the difference between the value of a citation to a
> will which positively identifies a relationship and a letter from Aunt
> Rose which says "I was told he married a Smith." A brief response to
> your musings would be that as you accumalate more information yuo "go
> up the ladder" to more solid source information - but sometimes Aunt
> Rose is all you have, so you state that, along with any misgivings.
>
> Rather than go through all the nuances of "Sources, Citations,
> Documentation and Evaluating Evidence," I suggest you look at the
> material I prepared for the on-line course on this topic in this
> newsgroup just a year ago. It's available at my website, and there are
> links to sites with more information on "citing your sources."
>
> Go to:
>
> <http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/classdoc.htm>
>
> Also, for a sample of citations in material that is near to being
> "publishing ready," go to the information I have at my website on "The
> Hawksbill Pence Families." It's at:
>
> <http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/hawk.htm>
>
> If you are at one of the above pages and want to go to the other, at
> the bottom of both you will find a button that will link you to the
> "Contents" of my site.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard A. Pence <richardpence(a)pipeline.com>
> Pence Family History <http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/index.htm>
>
>
>
>
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subscription database, but for those who do not know Eastman's
Newsletter or Kindred Konnections --
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- KindredKonnections Research Center
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KindredKonnections has been known for some time as an online
database where users can submit their GEDCOM files and match their
entries against GEDCOM files of other KindredKonnections members.
This fee-based service has been popular, and I have heard a number
of success stories where one KindredKonnections member has
discovered another member who already had information that the
first member was seeking. KindredKonnections' employees recently
added several completely new services to their online service. I
had a chance to use KindredKonnections' new offerings this week.
The first new thing that I noticed was the addition of more
databases. I looked first in the free area of the site and found
the entire 1871 Cornwall (England) Census as well as the U.S.
Social Security Death Index. I searched the Social Security Death
Index first looking for some recent deaths; this is an indication
of how up-to-date the information is. I found records of the
deaths of some relatives that are missing in some other versions
of the Social Security Death Index. Therefore, I know the copy at
KindredKonnections is a recent one.
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others who have previously registered their interest in the same
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genealogists and a list of libraries with significant genealogy
holdings.
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individuals who have registered with the site and provided some
information about themselves but have not paid any fees. One that
caught my eye was My-Tree On-Line, a Web-based genealogy program.
In effect, you can enter your own genealogy database into My-Tree
On-Line in much the same manner as you would with any genealogy
program. You can search your own database, print reports and do
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This URL has a list of early Hempstead landmarks, including one on
Carman Road in the Rockaways and several 1640s Indian sites.
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Ancestry, a commercial firm, offers samples of free maps and databases
which vary from day to day. There is also a daily newsletter and a
magazine available on their site.
Today there is an article on the preponderance of evidence, and I
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After sending the first message, I found this message in the archives:
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Please don't advertise it to your subscribers yet. It is still in a
testing mode.
The Threaded Mailing List Archives will evolve over time and may even
be at a different location by time we work out all the features.
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Dont tell Marc --
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Marc Nozell's Threaded Archives are returning!! They will be up soon
for the list. As usual the response is overwhelming and things are
being worked on.
Take a look at
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to see what they will look like, and start preparing your own
questions -- with as much brief information on dates and locations
as you feel comfortable with in the subject.
You can just say I am searching for XXX if you dont want to say what
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Helen Silvey forwarded this to me and I am sending it on to this list.
Helen was one of the original members of the Carman Thread at Prodigy in
the early 1990s and her reposts of her archives provided information for
the Carman surname through the FIDO BBS server, the Maiser server
and subsequently.
At the end of the post is the authors permission to repost and I also
have Helen's specific permission to post.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 07:53:01 -0800
From: Helen Silvey <Helen_Silvey(a)macnexus.org>
<snip>
This was on another list:
WHAT ARE "ALTERNATIVE RECORDS?"
We all look for our ancestors by using those "tried and true" records --
census
records, birth certificates, marriage licenses, and death certificates. These
are the first records we're taught (or learn) to use. Census records can be
spotty, and there is always a question in my mind as to whether the
information
listed by the census taker (enumerator) was obtained from my ancestor or
from a
neighbor who did not know the facts. The vital records we seek may be
missing,
may have been replacements for those destroyed in courthouse fires, or may
not
have even been required to be produced at the time the event occurred. As a
result, good genealogists often spend a vast amount of time looking for
"alternative records."
"Alternative records" can be defined as those documents or records which
provide the same or similar information that might be acquired from primary
records. They can also be referred to as corroborating testimony. In many
cases, the alternative materials may not be primary records, and may not be
as
reliable as, for example, a vital record issued by a governmental entity.
Alternative materials may only serve as pointers to other data, however their
use in this way can be of immense importance in your ancestral quest.
If those "dead ends" and "roadblocks" have confounded your research, perhaps
it's time to consider those "alternative records." And in order to use them,
you have to use your cognitive thought processes and your imagination to
locate
such records.
WHAT "ALTERNATIVE RECORDS" CAN YOU LOCATE?
As with all other genealogical research, you start with what you know. In the
case of your "dead-end" ancestor, consider carefully all that you know about
him or her. Where do you think he/she was born? Who were his/her parents?
Were
there any brothers or sisters? Where was he/she married and to whom? In what
place(s) did he/she live and at what periods of time? Did he/she belong to a
specific religious institution? Did he/she produce any children? If so,
what do
you know about them? Where did he/she die and when? What do you know for
certain? What have you already verified? With all of this information at
hand,
create a profile for yourself. Paint a mental picture for yourself of what
the
person might have been like. Try to understand why he/she made some of the
life
choices to marry a certain person, move to and settle in a particular place,
and why he/she earned a livelihood as he/she did. In other words, get to know
your ancestor.
Next, focus on what you do not know. This is what you are trying to learn and
probably the source of your "dead-end." Think about what your ancestor might
have done, where he/she might have gone, how he/she might have responded to a
situation based on other movements he or she made earlier or later (based on
things that you already know for certain). What you're doing is placing
yourself in your ancestor's position and trying to second-guess him or her.
Be
careful not impose your 1999 knowledge and values on an ancestor who lived
in a
vastly different time period. If you do, chances are you will arrive at some
erroneous conclusions.
Finally, placing yourself in your ancestor's position, think in terms of what
records and documents he or she may have left behind that would provide
evidence of the sort you are seeking. This requires some knowledge of the
historical period in which your ancestor lived, the society in which he/she
lived, the government in power at the time, and the documents used by both
government and society at the time.
EXAMPLES OF "ALTERNATIVE RECORDS"
In the course of my personal research, I've come across many types of
nontraditional records to help verify information about my ancestors. Here
are
a number of them.
~ Church membership records confirmed the migration of some of my ancestors
from one place to another and the time periods when census records produced
nothing. They also recorded ages of children as they were placed in Sunday
school classes.
~ Obituaries for my ancestors provided essential death information and family
details when death certificates were not produced, or when they had been lost
or destroyed.
~ Military Service and Pension Records provided parents' names, birth date,
physical characteristics, rank, pay, places where the person served, spouse
name, children's names and other family information.
~ School Records (primary, secondary and college education) provided birth
date, parents' names, and information about the character and performance
of my
ancestor.
~ Social Security Records provided me with many types of details. The SS-5
form
(application for Social Security card) provided the applicant's name, age,
parents' names, place of birth, date of birth, and current employed in some
cases. The Social Security Death Index told me when the person was born and
died, place of residence, SS#, and the place where the number was issued and
approximate time.
~ Employment Records, although they may be difficult to locate andobtain, can
provide vital statistics information and details about the person.
~ Family Bibles can provide much good information and some biased
misinformation, depending on the owner/author.
~ Cemetery Inscriptions provide pointers to newspaper obituaries, which point
to churches and undertakers and doctor's records.
~ Funeral Home Records may contain detailed death information,
doctor's/coroner's statements, notes about death notices and obituaries,
family
contact information, and places of interment.
~ City Directories provide names, addresses and, in some cases, occupations.
These can all point to land and property records.
~ Records of Siblings and Children may include valuable references to the
ancestor you're researching. Through records regarding siblings of one of my
"dead-end, alien spaceship ancestors," I located reliable records that I used
to successfully trace and corroborate the ancestor.
~ Deeds can point to a buyer or a seller residing at another place. They can
also confirm the name of a spouse, and to the names of other owners of
adjacent
properties. Deeds are, indeed, a more reliable source for verifying the
location or persons at a particular point in time than census records.
U-TURNS PERMITTED!
These "alternative records" can offer you some hope in getting around those
roadblocks. If you're a regular reader of this column, you know that I
advocate
studying entire family units rather than tracing a single line backwards.
There
is a lot of logic in that approach. Through tracing siblings' records, you
can
often forge some alternative research paths to help you around the
roadblocks.
You certainly are never guaranteed success whenever you follow one of these
paths. However, you can always make a U-turn and backtrack again. The worst
you'll have done, though, is learn more about another member of the family
unit. Is there anything wrong with that?
Happy hunting! George
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Helen Silvey gave me this address for the new LDS database which is to
go up around the 20th. Dont know what it will turn out to be exactly
as there has been discussion of whether or not it will be complete,
and no real information on line.
http://newsnet.byu.edu/noframes/show_story.cfm?number=8836
If you access it, let us know your reactions and suggestions.
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The U.S.Census bureaus study of surname frequencies for the 1990 census
shows:
----------------Cumulative------
--------%names--Frequency---rank
-
Carman----.003------59-----3756
Cannon----.030------31------373
Carmer----.000------81---25,197
Carmen----.001------71---10,119
Kirmen-----not found
Kirman-----not found
These figures are from:
http://www.census.gov/genealogy/
where you can check the sampling and methodology.
I believe that the same was taken from 6,290,251 names, one-fortieth of
the total census, and the number of names 88,799.
Comments welcomed.
Need information on ancestors/siblings of Rebbeca M. CARMAN, daughter of
John H. CARMAN and Julia Anna LABAR. Desparately in need of ancestors
or siblings of Julia Anna LABAR (this family almost impossible to
find). Rebecca M. CARMAN married Homer Lafayette FRENCH 28 Feb 1853 in
Lowville, Columbia County, WI. Daughter of Homer and Rebecca, Minnie
Ann FRENCH married Reverend Seth Dana BARDEN at Prairie Farm, Barron,
WI.
Details herewith:
Reverend Seth Dana BARDEN, United Brethren Church - married TWICE.
Matthew GREEN and Amelia FORD. Daughter Elsie J. GREEN noted marrying
Seth Dana BARDEN at New Haven, Dunn County, WI on
31 May 1890. Published in Dunn County News 13 Jun 1890. I have
absolutely NO information on any of these GREENs prior to this ... and
especially Elsie J. Green BARDEN departed via hot air balloon shortly
after. I guess that probably Elsie died in childbirth possibly circa
1891/1892. I need information on this GREEN family. Who is Amelia
FORD?
Who might be the parents of Amelia FORD.
Witnesses to the marriage with Elsie J. GREEN were Seth's sister Mary C.
(Barden) CLARK wife of EDMUND A. CLARK and Franklin M. BARDEN
(brother). Mary/Edmund CLARK marriage at New Haven, DUNN County on
4 July 1886. Published in Dunn County News July 31 Jul 1886.
Seth, Mary and Franklin are children of Horace McKendry BARDEN and
Phoebe L. BLOOD. I need information on the CLARKs, BLOODs, FORDs and
Franklin BARDEN and Horace BARDEN.
About four years later Seth Dana BARDEN is noted marrying
Minnie Ann FRENCH at Prairie Farm, Barron County (about 20 miles north)
on 25 December 1894 by Methodist Episcopal Minister Reverend Paul HULL.
Note that Reverend Seth BARDEN is with the United Brethren Church.
While married to Elsie GREEN he served at FENNIMORE, Grant County, WI.
So details about Elsie may center around FENNIMORE (near Prairie du
Chien).
His preaching career while married to Minnie Ann French BARDEN was in
the general Barron, Dunn, Rusk & Chippewa Counties area.
If anyone can relate to this CLARK, GREEN, FORD or BLOOD families I sure
would appreciate any information. Also need information on Franklin M.
BARDEN --- next noted in obituary Markville, MN circa 1940 ... buried
Danbury, Burnett, WI.
Thank you,
Don Barden, Satsuma, FL
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posts. Please do not include information about living persons --
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Do not post copyrighted material without permission. This includes
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