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Barbara,
Did you ever get any help with this branch?
Anna
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>In routing through my papers, I came upon the death certificate for my
>(spouse's) closest Carman's sibling. I have precious little on this
branch
>and would like to find them.
>
>Robert K CARMAN b. c1835 in Bordentown, Burlington Co, NJ; d. 23 Oct
1908
>in Lafayette, Fairfield Twp., Tippecanoe Co., IN; m. Jan 07, 1857 in
>Bordentown, Burlington Co., NJ to Elizabeth BAZZIER d. Bef. 1908.
>
>Children:
>1. (female) CARMAN
>2. William CARMAN b.c 1857
>3. Charles B. CARMAN b.c 1860
>
>Robert K. CARMAN was a brick mason and at his death, living at 714 Wab.
>Ave, Lafayette, Fairfield Twp, Tippecanoe, IN and the informant was
Edward
>Vianco of Lafayette, MD. This could be a son-in-law or that his family
was
>no longer available for being the informant. It does also say he was
>buried in Greenbush Cemetery and the undertaker is
Doller-Herrington[?].
>
>Barbara
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Mr Daniel P. Carman has informed me that he has posted on open letter at
http://www.wt.infi.net/~dcarman/carman/roots.htm and has asked me to put
his address in this post so that he can see it.
I am sending him a copy of this post.
I have not seen the site.
Patricia Carman Tidmarsh
Listowner - Carman-l(a)rootsweb.com and Carman-Roots-L(a)rootsweb.com
I have looked at the http://www.LongIslandGenealogy.com site and breathed
a sigh of relief to find that I had not been too hasty in recommending it.
without first checking to see that it was not commercial. From
the index it looks like it will have a lot of good material for those
interested in the Carman Family, Hempstead and Long Island. Look for
the Carman material where you will find different styles of research and
different conclusions.
You will find a narrative at
http://www.LongIslandGenealogy.com/acgedom.html#carman and from that page
go to the Carman Web Page link.
If anyone finds any other interesting pages on the site, post to the
list for all of us.
Regards
Patricia Carman Tidmarsh
Listowner-Carman-Roots-L(a)rootsweb.com
This information has been forwarded to the list. I have not visited it.
and do not know the owner.
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I have been advised of an error in the Web Site address given in the
Tag-lines. I believe it has been corrected. The correct site is
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/7636.
Thanks Anna,
Regards,
Patricia
Please do not post any further messages to the list on this subject. You
may address me personally at patricia(a)echonyc.com if you have any comments
or questions.
Sorry to bother you, but this is important.
Regards
Patricia Carman Tidmarsh
I must say I suffer from some confusion about this.
Does this mean I cannot post someone elses copywrited
material to the list or that I cannot post material I have
written hope to retain the copywrite. I sincerely hope
you mean the former and I don't believe you have a leg
to stand on if you mean the latter (i.e., it's my copywrite
and I'll share it if I want to and expect the copywrite
notice to ride along).
Please tell me it is the former you mean or I cannot see
myself contributing much to the list if I have to watch
everything I say.
kaz
Date forwarded: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:52:59 -0800 (PST)
Date sent: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:53:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Patricia Tidmarsh <patricia(a)echonyc.com>
Subject: [CARMAN-ROOTS-L] Suspension
To: CARMAN-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com
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> I recently posted a request that nothing be reposted from those who
> considered their emails copyrighted or proprietary. This is extremely
> important for the welfare of the list.
>
> I have suspended Barbara Parker from the list for a week.
>
> Barbara is an excellent researcher and has contributed to this and
> previous lists and to Carman research on the internet.
>
> Patricia Carman Tidmarsh
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This is another side of the story. I do not agree, and must point out
the list rule excluding personal information. Richard Pence has written
books on computer genealogy and is a member of the NGS.
Richard A. Pence wrote:
>
> Grace McDonough <gmcdonou(a)asb.com> wrote:
>
> >I wouldn't do it - I don't give out any information about living people.
> >It could be very dangerous... You have no idea if she is what she says
> >she is...
>
> Grace - I'm not trying to pick on you - it's just that your message
> was the first short response in the thread, so I thought I'd attach to
> it some reflections on this topic.
>
> There certainly is a lot of paranoia about the privacy of vital
> records - both individual and state-sanctioned. And, I suppose, the
> old saw applies: Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they
> aren't really after you....
>
> It seems that an almost knee-jerk response from a great many people is
> that information on living persons shoud be given to no one except
> under the most guarded circumstances. The stated reason most often
> given seems to be that "they" will use this information to fleece or
> otherwise defraud you. This idea seems almost to be in the land of the
> "urban legend" because I can find nothing authoritative that documents
> the idea that if you tell someone your birth date you will be robbed
> blind! And it seems a bit silly to me that any criminal worth his salt
> would sit around waiting for someone to publish a family history so he
> or she will have the "vital information" they need for their fradulent
> activities. This kind of information is, after all, so widely
> available and so easy to obtain in most areas that it would seem to be
> more practical to worry about being hit by an asteroid. Nor have I
> found anything that can verify that there is less or more criminal
> activity based on personal information in those states that restrict
> the availability of such information. If I had to guess - and it would
> be strictly a guess - I would suggest that New York - which limits
> access to vital records - has a higher incidence of this type of crime
> than most of the U.S. states where vital records are public
> information.
>
> When Broderbund started its World Family Tree CD series it apparently
> obtained legal advice that scared the hell out of the company. As a
> consequence, all information relating to any person who might be
> living is systematically deleted. The result is that huge segments of
> these disks are taken up with names of people about whom the only
> infomation is "Private," thus rendering this information almost
> totally useless. Further, the company went so far as to not include
> even the names and addresses of those _voluntarily_ submitting the
> information (a practice that likely has more to do with marketing than
> with privacy). And the system established for getting this infomration
> is at least a blasted nuisance.
>
> Yet, the other night I visited the site of another company that has
> similar family tree databases and, to my surprise, discovered some of
> the same trees had been submitted to that company - and information
> about living people remains in the database, along with the name and
> addresses of the submitters. To my knowledge, no dire consequences
> have resulted.
>
> There are, I suppose, some limits as to what should be published about
> people (living or dead). I am the "custodian" of information on the
> family of my Pence grandparents. Among the 30-plus grandchildren they
> had there are a handful who keep me up to date on family happenings.
> One cousin is so diligent about this that I get regular notes
> detailing which of her nieces and nephews have had children born out
> of wedlock, which ones were married to someone else at the time, which
> ones have "significant others" and, my favorite, the grandnephew who
> is/was "living in Alaska with an Eskimo girl." Even I, an advocate of
> "full disclosure," have to wonder about which of this information I
> will be comfortable including in the book I am working on.
>
> If I have any argument to suggest to Stu that he send the information
> to those working on the family publication, it is this:
>
> In the early part of this century, one of my great grandfather's first
> cousins made some money in the real estate business in Denver. This
> cousin had no children of his own, so he decided his legacy to his
> relatives would be a history of his grandfather (my 3rd great
> grandfather) and his descendants. He diligently tracked down a couple
> of thousand such souls and, either by correspondence or personal
> visits, obtained as much informaiton as he could and included it in a
> book he published in 1912. The result is that those whose ancestors
> cooperated with the author and provided full information and who are
> lucky enough to have had a grandmother who snitched from the egg money
> to buy a book or two are thrilled to have it and thrilled with the
> information about their ancestors that is in it. But one distant
> relative I corresponded with years ago lamented the fact that his
> ancestors neglected for one reason or another to provide any
> information. He even suspected some sort of conspiracy behind the
> omission!
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard A. Pence <richardpence(a)pipeline.com>
> Pence Family History <http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/index.htm>
I recently posted a request that nothing be reposted from those who
considered their emails copyrighted or proprietary. This is extremely
important for the welfare of the list.
I have suspended Barbara Parker from the list for a week.
Barbara is an excellent researcher and has contributed to this and
previous lists and to Carman research on the internet.
Patricia Carman Tidmarsh
Listowner - Carman-L and Carman-Roots-L(a)rootsweb.com
Dan Carman (dcarman(a)wt.infi.net) passed on a partial
answer to the query in the post entitled,
"Rev. Robert Fordham not father of Florence Carman."
The post requested the originator of material from a
message sent in June by Helen Silvey.
Paragraph beginning with "Item from Venns'.
I cannot give a secondhand passer of this paragraph but I can
identify the source.
"Alumni Cantabrigienses, Vol. 11, Cambridge, England University
Press 1922, comp. by Jon Venn."
A word of caution, the text extract you have posted is
garbled and incomplete.
Barbara
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Anyone interested in this?
Claim for land abandoned by Loyalists who went to Canada. A bit
complicated for me to follow exactly. Perhaps anyone who has ancestors
in this category would post to the list and to the query section.
Regards, Patricia
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Subject: [LI-Rooters] Partiots vs Torries: The Town of Hempstead and the Canadian "Helms-Burton"
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Dear LI-Rooter, etc.,
Regarding the re-settlement of the Torries from the newly established United
States to Canada, I do not know if the following would be of immediate help
and I apologize in advance if it isn't and if it was already discussed when it
first appeared on TV in the fall of 1996:
Town of Hempstead
and
Canadian "Helms-Burton" Legislation
The 60 MINUTES TV show broadcast an interview with 2 members of the Canadian
House of Commons in the fall of 1996. These parliamentarians said that they
were introducing a bill similar to the recently passed U.S. Helms-Burton law,
whereby any descendent of a Tory that was forced to leave the colonies after
the Revolutionary War could sue the Canadian subsidiary of any American
company currently using the land that the Tories were forced to abandon when
they walked north to Canada.
They also said that they were contemplating direct suit in the U.S. for
reimbursement for their forced property abandonment, citing promises made to
their ancestors (by the founding fathers of the United States) that they would
be reimbursed.
Among their pre-Revolutionary War holdings (which included lower Manhattan,
Philadelphia and Williamsburg, Va.) they do have claim to the south shore of
Long Island, especially most of the southern portion of the Town of Hempstead.
You may want to obtain a video copy of this interview.
Question: Does anyone know the current status of this possible law suit? (If
the Canadians do sue then I believe the court of first jurisdiction is the
Supreme Court of the United States and they would sit as Judge and Jury on the
matter.)
Regards,
Walter Greenspan
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The correct citation for the Edith Carman Hay's work is Hay, Edith Carman
and Wilson, Sidney, "John Carman", New York Genealogical and Biographical
Society RECORD 60 (1939):332-36..
The correct citation for Robert Anderson's article is Anderson, Robert
Charles, "John Carman and John Kirman" Great Migration Newsletter 2:2 9ff
(April-June 1991).
Search for Part I of this with "John"
This may be a repeat, but the Query Section is back on the drawing
board and not on the Web Site.
In the meantime, could you post your browser, email, net access,
genealogy software, etc. preferably to the list, or to me personally.
If you wish, of course, not mandatory.
More later--
Patricia Carman Tidmarsh
patricia(a)echonyc.com
Listowner=Carman-Roots-L
Webmanager=http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/7636
First I want to thank you all for your contributions to the list and
archives. The list is growing slowly but steadily and I am optimistic
that it will continue. I especially want to thank those who have publicly
supported the free and open exchange of information for the Carman
surname.
I have added a query site to the Carman Roots Web Site and invite you all
to submit your earliest Carman inquiry in America with brief dates and
places.
Please let me have any comments or suggestions you might have for the
list.