Hello there Betty darlin',
I could agree with you in a second. It sounds like you have done a lot of
homework on this...
Neither of these Williams are in my direct line, but they have always been
a real mishmash in my data....two born on same day, married to God only
knows whom, Ball, Walker, Hartsook... I wish you would send me a report on
what you have on both these fellows so I can do mine exactly like you have
yours and get it at least in some reasonable order. Would you mind?
I had a copy of that will thing of the one married to Eliz Walker and then
supposedly to Yeary-Ball, then they got crisscrossed, then I just gave up.
I have a feeling you may just be right......unless those decendents can
come up with more proof that the Rev War William with the plaque is the
right one...
Luv U,
Norm
At 03:58 AM 6/17/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Norm,
This is Betty in Oklahoma and it has been a long time since I had an
exchange with you. You asked Dale which John Carmack and William
Carmack are the ones listed for Wash. Co. VA. on the Rev. War Veteran
list.
I know that the John should be the John born to John Carmack and wife
Elizabeth Barton. I have his Rev. War Pension file and he is buried at
High Point, Bristol, VA. A DAR monument was placed on his grave. His
wife was Elizabeth, surname unknown, tho Dr. Peckham's book says she was
Elizabeth Dines with no source given.
The William is brother of this John and is my ancestor. His wife was
Elizabeth Walker. His grave is on his homestead very near to John's
grave. There is a monument on his grave put there by the DAR in 1936
and a ceremony was held honoring these 2 brothers. But and a very big
BUT here, I am firmly convinced that this William did not serve in the
Revolution, and the record on which it was based is the service record
of the William Carmack who lived in Lee County and was a son of
Cornelius Carmack and Mary Catherine Hartsock.
There are several reasons I believe this and I am not alone in my
belief. As I explain this I will use Lee Co. and Wash. Co to
distinguish which I am speaking of, because from 1820 onward the
William, son of Cornelius and Margery Evans lived in Lee Co. and from
1800 onward my William, son of John and Elizabeth Barton, lived in Wash.
Co.
The William of Lee Co. did go into service from Wash. Co. in 1779, but
he filed for his pension in Lee Co. In that pension application he gave
proof of his birth date as 5 Jan 1761 from a bible of his parents
Cornelius and Margery Evans. We have no proof for our William's
birthdate (Wash. Co.) He was born between 1760 and 1770 and that is all
we know. One other person besides myself believe he may have been too
young to have served. One reason we believe he was younger is because
the William in Lee Co. had his last child (Evan) about 1795 and William
of Wash. Co. had his 1st child about 1798 (Sarah) The National Archives
did not have a service record for a William Carmack whose wife was
Elizabeth Walker and who died in 1849 as my William (Wash. Co.) did and
living in Wash. Co. VA.
The DAR monument on my William's grave (Wash. Co.) shows death in the
year 1851. Again, that is the year the other William (Lee Co) died in
Lee Co. The William buried in that grave on his own homestead died in
1849. We have his will when it was filed for probate in 1849. The
census records for Lee Co and Wash. Co. for 1840 shows each William in
their own county. Then on 1850, there is only the William in Lee Co.
who is living with his son Levi, and it shows that he was a Rev. War
veteran and was blind. The Wash. Co. William had died the year before
and is not on the census. It seems no one has ever found the grave of
William Carmack who lived and died in Lee Co., but it is unlikely that
he would be buried on the other William's homestead.
If you have Dr. Peckham's book, compare the Revolutionary service shown
for both of these men. It is the same. My William (Wash Co.) pages 93
& 94. William (Lee Co.) pages 108 & 109. On page 109 it says he
received his pension until his death in 1851. That would not be the
William who died in Wash.Co in 1849.
I realize that my William's descendants in 1936 believed that the
service was his so I don't fault them. I could be completely wrong in
my belief, but I believe there is a preponderance of evidence for my
case.
I have decided to post this to the Carmack List, though I know it will
likely stir up a hornet's nest. But in my search for my own William I
couldn't ignore what seems to be incorrect.
How would you vote???
Betty
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