When writing the letter "s" in old script, it looks like a "p" - ipue
is
issue. Again in old script, what looks like "vig" is "viz".
Karen Carmack Stadler
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Carmack" <lonzoc(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com>; <carmack(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CARMACK] Latest update on Simpson B Carmack (1818-1870),
Bedford/Fulton Co. Pennsylvania.
Someone please educate me on meaning of 'ipue' and
'vig' in this document
??
Thanks,.,, & Merry Christmas to all !!!
Norm CArmack
Austin, TX At 12:04 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote:
>This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
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>Author: dickalloway190
>Surnames: Carmack, Baker
>Classification: queries
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>http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carmack/371/mb.ashx
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>Message Board Post:
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>I would like everyone that has Simpson as the son of Peter, son of
>Evan to please remove that connection since I'm sure this false data
>came from the Carmack Cousins Newsletter or from Prescott Carmack's
>work. I have never found any offical data to validate it and much to
>invalidate it.
>
>Simpson shows up in the 1850, 1860, and 1870 Pa. Fulton County
>Dublin Twp Census records.
>
>I have Simpson's family bible and it lists Catharine Carmack, born
>Feb 24, 1782; Simpson, born Jan 24, 1818; and Mitilda Ann, born Feb
>23, 1823. This didn't help me much because Evan Carmack, who had
>moved to Bedford Co., PA around 1800; had a daughter Catherine which
>never married and died in 1848. Here is the record from the orphan's
>court in Bedford county:
> The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to the Sheriff of Bedford
> County, Greetings, Whereas, Uriah Rimbey, one of the heirs and
> legal representatives of Catharine Carmack, late of St. Clair
> Township, in the County of Bedford, dec. presented a petition to
> the Orphans Court of said County, setting forth, that your
> petitioners late Aunt lately died intestate, leaving no ipue, but
> brothers and sisters and their children to wit, Elizabeth Derrin,
> residing in Maryland, the Ipue of Jacob Carmack dec. vig. Evan
> residing in Green County and Samuel, Jacob, Martha intermarried
> with _____ Otto , and two other daughters names not known, all
> living in Maryland and Virginia. The ipue of Peter Carmack dec. to
> wit Abraham, Daniel supposed to be in Ohio, Peter, Rachel
> intermarried with William Sleck living in Bedford County, Margaret
> intermarried with John Appleman, and Maria Dobson in Bedfor County,
> & the children of Elizabeth Rimbey in Bedford County, vig, George
> Rimbey, Uriah, Louisa, Catharine!
> Baylor, & Mary Ann. The Ipue of Mary Hann dec, vig, Philip,
> Benjamin, Hugh, William, and one daughter supposed to be Margaret,
> all living in Maryland. Ipue of Margaret Murphy dec., vig, Joshua,
> William, and Elizabeth, living in Maryland. and the ipue of Sarah
> Grimes dec. vig, John living in Ohio & Martin, Elizabeth, Mary and
> one other daughter whose name is not known, all living in Maryland.
> And that the said intestate died seized in her demesne as of fee of
> and in the following described Real Estate situate in the said County,
> ......
>It indicates that she has no children and lists all of the families
>of her brothers and sisters. Simpson is not listed as a son of
>Peter, even though he lived in Bedford Co./Fulton Co. his entire life.
>
>I found this internet hit on Matilda Carmack:
>Reference; HISTORY OF HARDIN CO., OHIO, WARNER, BEERS & CO., 1883
>IRVIN S. BAKER, farmer, P. O. Larue, is a native of this county, and
>was born December 25, 1846. He is a son of Joseph and Matilda
>(Carmack) Baker, both natives of Pennsylvania and of German
>parentage. This struck my interest because Baker was a local name in
>Dublin Twp., Bedford County about that time. I did some checking and
>found a very close neighbor of Simpson in the 1850 census, a Nathan
>Baker. From the History of Bedford, Somerset, and Fulton Counties,
>Pennsylvania, 1884
>"Nathan Baker, a native of Chester County, moved to Dublin township
>in 1818. After renting farms for fifteen years, he purchased two
>hundred and twenty acres of land, settled by James Justice in 1795.
>Mr. Baker married Barbara Hause, of Chester County, in 1820.
>Children: Jesse, John, Benjamin, and Joseph, deceased; Hannah
>(Stellinger), Samuel, William, Betsey (Henry), Nathan, and Isaac, living."
>The obituary below shows that this Matilda Ward is indeed the same
>Mitilda from Bedord Co. PA. Joseph Baker, her first husband, was
>the son of Nathan Baker and Barbara Hause of Bedford Co. PA. Fulton
>County separated from Bedford Co. in 1850.
> >From the 1860 Dudley Twp, Hardin county, OH census:
> Thomas Ward, age 60 born in England
> Matilda Ward, age 37 born in PA
> Azabella Ward (?) age 15 born in OH
> Irvin S Baker, age 13, born in OH
> Portius W Baker, age 11, born in OH
> Ida Francis Ward, age 1 born in OH
> Catherine Carmack, age 78, born in MD
>
>The birth years match exactly for Matilda and Catharine.
>
>More research on Matilda Carmack turned up her obituary:
>Reference; The Kenton Daily Democrat, Monday, April 6, 1914
> Dawn of Sabbath - Brought Peack and Happiness To Grand-Mother
> Ward - Who Lived To Enjoy Fullness of Christian Life
> Sunday morning there dawned the day that brought peace and rest
> to Mrs. Matilda Ann Ward, for the tired spirit of the gentle, kind
> and venerable woman quiely returned to its maker. Death occurred
> at the home of her grand daughter, Mrs. E. L. Slagle on N. Main
> St. After an illness of eleven weeks, brought on by a broken arm
> resulting from a fall, she welcomed the call of her Maker and was
> happy in the thought of going home.
> Her beautiful Christian life will be an inspiration to countless
> friends who while realizing that she would not much longer be of
> this world, feel none the less the sad blow of her death. Her
> unimpaired mental faculties at the age of 91 years seem a fitting
> reward for her cheerfulness and sweet patience, and her kindly
> consideration for others. She was a member of the 1st M E Church
> of this city and while her health permitted had been an earnst and
> devoted church worker.
> She was one of the oldest residents of Kenton and was beloved by
> all who knew her. In the loss of her companship those who loved
> her will miss her and will ever cherish her in their memory.
> Mrs. Ward was born in Shirley, Pa., in Jan 26, 1823. She was the
> daughter of John and Catharine Carmack and was early the comfort of
> a widowed mother. In 1842 she was united in marriage of Joseph
> Baker, and coming to Hardin Counth resided here until his
> death. The children were born to union, Mrs. W A Potter, of
> Jeffers, Minn., P W Baker, of east of the city, and I S Baker of
> Kenton. In 1850 she was married to Thomas Ward and since his death
> she has made her home in Kenton. Of four daughters born to them,
> two survive, Mrs. W W Holland and Mrs. C C Biddle both of this city.
> The furneral services will be held Tuesday afternoon at the home
> of her daughter Mrs. W W Holland of North Market St. Rev W McK
> Brackney will have charge of services. Burial will be made in
> Grove Cemetery. Friends are requested not to send flowers.
>
>Reference; Certificate of Death
> b- 1/26/1823
> d- 4/5/1914 aged 91 yrs 2 mos 9 days
> Birthplace- Penna
> Father- Jno Carmack b- Md
> Mother- Catharine White b- Md
> cause of death- septic & General Failure following a fall.
>
>The 1830 Pa. Bedford Co. Dublin Twp lists Catharine Carmack as head
>of household. This would indicate that John Carmack would have died
>between 1823-1830. John Carmack should show up in the 1820 PA
>Census, since census records indicate that Simpson and Matilda were
>both born in PA. I have no found this census record. We also need
>a John Carmack, born about 1775 give or take 5 years. I haven't
>found a candidate for this either. With the tie in to Susannah I
>initially thought that Catharine may have been her sister and her
>children were illegimate. Matilda's death certificate would
>indicate that this is not the case. A DNA test by a male descendant
>of Simpson Carmack would prove if he was descendant of Cornelius
>Carmack or not.
>
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