Misspelling of names seems to have been a regular event . I also have run into misspelling
of 1st and last names in my yrs of research.It took me yrs to find the death record of m
G.GranPaw Levi Carmack born 1860 Owsley Co Ky. No one in the family knew what yr he died
or where he was living which made it even harder . I finally stumbled upon his DOD in Clay
County Records. Levi Cormac 1860 1937.He was living with his Dau Etta Gross abt 5 miles
south of Manchester.
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From: patricia oneal <pat.oneal(a)insightbb.com>
To: gc-gateway <gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com>; carmack <carmack(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [CARMACK] Christopher Carmack
Hi Dale, Very interesting summation re Christopher and Cornelius Carmack even
though it doesn't give us positive identification. I just thought I would point
out the mistakes that can be made in researching your family. I wondered why I
couldn't find my own immediate family in KY census records. In the 1940 KY
census, my entire family is listed under my dad's middle name (Hobart). My
niece happened upon the listing by searching for street addresses. My dad's
name was Garrett Hobart Estep and usually seen as G.H. Estep. The 1940 census
showed him as Garrett H. Hobart and all children with the last name of Hobart.
Some of the spellings of children were so far fetched I hardly recognized them
as my own siblings.
I don't know if there is any way of getting the state archives to make
corrections to such errors. Contacting them doesn't mean they will make the
changes.
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From: gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com
To: CARMACK-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:32:12 AM
Subject: Re: [CARMACK] Christopher Carmack
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Author: DaleCarmack
Surnames: Carmack
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Message Board Post:
I feel somewhat compelled to comment regarding Christopher Carmack and a linkage
to Cornelius Carmack.
I'm afraid I never have cracked the code on connecting Cornelius Carmack to
Christopher Carmack. The only record I have for Christopher Carmack states:
"October 7, 1677, Portsmouth. Ralegh Hull to Robert Yard. This morning sailed
from Spithead The St. George Of London for Waterford and thence for Maryland,
wind N.E."
On November 1, 1678, John Quigley, a merchant captain, not the captain of the
ship, appeared before the Secretary Of Maryland and applied for land warrants
for transporting 180 settlers into the province on the Ship St. George Of
London.
NOTE: One of the 180 listed passengers was Chris. Carwick. (Christopher
Carmack)
I found another reference to some research done by Sharon DeBartolo Carmack, see
the following:
Finding and Using Published Genealogies
by Sharon DeBartolo Carmack, CG
http://www.genealogy.com/77_carmack.html?Welcome=984238636
Example #2
I recently found a published family history on the Carmacks, titled The Carmack
Family, by Charles W. Peckham Sr. (1998). Because the origins of Cornelius
Carmack of colonial Maryland have baffled family researchers for decades, I was
anxious to see if Peckham had uncovered anything new.
Peckham postulates that Cornelius was not the immigrant ancestor, as descendants
have long surmised. Instead, he believes that Cornelius was born in Cecil
County, Maryland, about 1681. Peckham also listed a possible father for
Cornelius - a Christopher Carmick - who was born probably in Scotland in 1653
and was transported to Maryland in 1678 aboard the ship St. George of London.
That's new information, but how accurate is it? Even though the author credits
numerous professional genealogists as working on the Carmack family history, I
was skeptical, considering many descendants had been working on this line for
decades and never uncovered these details.
My first course of action was to analyze the source citations. I noticed that
some of the information came from published sources, such as abstracts of
records compiled by another researcher. I then looked at Peckham's argument for
connecting Christopher and Cornelius as father and son. Although the author
carefully noted that the identity of Christopher as Cornelius's father was "pure
assumption," he apparently based this assumption solely on Christopher coming to
America before Cornelius was allegedly born in 1681, and that this Christopher
was supposedly the right age to be Cornelius's father.
So I checked out Peckham's source. Peckham references Gust Skordas's The Early
Settlers of Maryland. This book then had a reference to the original record -
patents series of the Maryland Land Office, liber 15, folio 553 - which allowed
me to find a microfilm copy of the original record to examine myself. The record
indeed named Christopher, along with 179 other people, who were transported in
1678 and claimed for headright land grants. It did not give anything more,
however, such as Christopher's age, where he was from, or what became of him.
For all I know, Christopher could have been dead upon arrival, since all the
headright claimant was required to do was present a list of the names for whom
he paid passage. It didn't matter if one of the transported had died on board
ship or after arrival. Maybe this is why Peckham's researchers found no further
record of Christopher in America.
Based on this information alone, I can't accept Peckham's theory that
Christopher was Cornelius's father, so I'll use Peckham's work as clues, do my
own original research, and draw my own conclusions.
Remember, finding published genealogies on your family is a starting point, not
the end of your research. Even if the book is well documented and you are
satisfied that the lineage covered is sound, no family history is comprehensive.
There are always other surnames to pursue that aren't covered in this particular
book. Look for a published genealogy for all of your lines. But remember to use
them cautiously, not as gospel truth, until you analyze and evaluate for
yourself whether the information is accurate.
Sharon's point was primarily to not take a published genealogies as gospel
truth. I tend to agree with her as there is no other research that I have found
to support the connection of Cornelius and Christopher. I started a Genealogy
DNA project that is somewhat proving that the other Carmack's in MD at the time
of Cornelius (Dennis, Peter, Elizabeth, and Margaret) are not related to each
other.
I also found something interesting a while ago and thought I'd mention. I found
a record from the Archives of Maryland 1658-1662, Vol 41, Chapter Provincial
Court of Maryland Proceedings. This states: March 24th 1661 Cornelius Micormack
aged tewnty years... Not sure if this is at all related to our Cornelius but if
so might possibly be his father, or grandfather. The record language indicates
he would have been an indentured servant.
There is another record involving a Daniel Carmack (Carmake/Cormack) who was
brought to the Colonies in 1654 by Col. John Matron, who settled in West
Moreland County, Virginia. Daniel was probably a bond servant. This may be
another connection to our Cornelius.
So to try and sum it up, I do not think there is any evidence that Christopher
ever settled in MD or has any connection to Cornelius. I think the earlier MD
reference to Cornelius Micormack is more likely but still unproven.
My recommendation is to stop showing a connection between Cornelius and
Christopher until one is proven.
If you, or anyone, has additional details regarding Christopher that might lend
proof to a connection to Cornelius please post and let me know.
best regards,
dale
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