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Hi John,
Im afraid I cant verify the accuracy of these two families (have them in my database for
years and cant recall the source - but was collected by my g grandfather years ago and
have added to it from many other sources during the years). I have this John (1) being
the brother of the other family Walter (1).
Best wishes
Gary Carruthers
(1) 1. JOHN CARLYLE IN BURRANCE - 16438
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Birth Date: 1687
Death Date: 11 Mar 1727
Burial Date: 1727
Burial Place: PENNERSAUGHS, MIDDLEBIE
Notes:
PENNERSAUGH:
GRAVE 4
Here lies John CARLYLE in Burrance who died 11 March 1727 age 40 years also Thomas CARLYLE
his son who died in Ecclefechan 16 January 1806 age 84 years, also Mary Gilespy his spouse
who died in the same place 10 January 1797 age 70 years, also John CARLYLE, mason, in
Ecclefechan, their son he died 12 October 1801 age 47 years, also Thomas CARLYLE, son of
the above Thomas CARLYLE, he died at Mainhill 9 June 1816 age 40 years Note: This John
Carlyle was hung as a cattle thief in 1727.
Note: Burrance is in Kirkmichael
Spouse: ISABELLA BELL - 18367
Birth Date: 1687
Death Date: 1759
Children: THOMAS - 16420
(2) 1.1 THOMAS CARLYLE - 16420
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Birth Date: 1722
Death Date: 16 Jan 1806
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Burial Date: 1806
Burial Place: PENNERSAUGHS, MIDDLEBIE
Spouse: MARY GILLESPIE - 16421
Birth Date: 1727
Death Date: 10 Jan 1797
Burial Date: 1797
Burial Place: PENNERSAUGHS, MIDDLEBIE
Children: JOHN - 16440
JAMES - 16422
FRANCIS - 19469
THOMAS - 16439
(3) 1.1.1 JOHN CARLYLE IN ECCLEFECHAN - 16440
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Birth Date: 1754
Death Date: 12 Oct 1801
Occupation: MASON
(3) 1.1.2 JAMES CARLYLE - 16422
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Birth Date: 1757
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 1832
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Spouse: MARGARET AITKEN - 16423
Birth Date: 1771
Birth Place: KIRKMAHOE, NITHSDALE, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 1853
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Spouse Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR SCOTSBRIDGE AT MIDDLEBIE HOUSEHOLD 6/40 - "PROPRIETOR OF
HOUSES"
Marriage Date: 1795
Marriage Place: ECCLEFECHAN, DFS
Children: THOMAS - 16424
ALEXANDER - 16426
JANET - 16427
JOHN AITKEN - 16428
MARGARET - 16429
JAMES - 16430
MARY - 16431
JEAN - 16432
JANET - 16433
(4) 1.1.2.1 THOMAS CARLYLE - 16424
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Birth Date: 4 Dec 1795
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 5 Feb 1881
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Occupation: SCHOOLMASTER AT ANNAN / FAMOUS POET
Education: EDINBURGH UNIVERSITY
Notes:
Famous Scots
- Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)
Carlyle was born on 4 December 1795 in a cottage in Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire. After
school in Annan he went to Edinburgh University to study mathematics. He had originally
been destined for the church but although he never lost the piety instilled in him as a
child, he could not accept the biblical foundations of Christianity. He returned to Annan
as a schoolmaster and later became a tutor but his monumental intellect and enquiring mind
diverted him into the life of an author, initially a number of relatively minor
biographies for Brewster's Edinburgh encyclopedia. Carlyle married in 1826. It was to
be a stormy relationship due to Carlyle's fiery temper and her quick wit and vitriolic
tongue, but they remained close till the end of their lives.
In 1828 the Carlyles moved to a moorland farmhouse of Craigenputtock where for six years
Carlyle produced a large number of books (including essays on Burns, Voltaire and
Boswell's Life of Johnson) and developed his literary style. In 1834 Carlyle and his
wife moved to No5 Cheyne Row in Chelsea, London and he began one of his greatest works
"The French Revolution". Carlyle was fanatical about researching original
documents and often fought the establishment to be allowed to view these. He worked for a
year on his masterpiece and passed the first volume to a friend to look over. But a
careless servant then burnt the entire document! Lesser men would have despaired but he
set to and wrote it again - the third volume was completed in January 1837 and Carlyle
wrote "You have not for a hundred years any book that comes more direct and flaming
from the heart of a living man".
While writing his history of the French Revolution he had earned no money for two years
and even after publication, it did not earn him much initially. But a series of lectures,
organised by friends, diverted him from the idea of seeking his fortune in America. His
next great work, researched with the same level of minute detail, was on the letters and
speeches of Oliver Cromwell, published in 1845.
A number of other books followed before he embarked on a history of Frederick the Great -
a project which was to take him 14 years, published in many volumes between 1858 and
1865.
Carlyle's works were not just well researched histories but full of comment and fierce
in their criticism of anything he found stupid or a sham or hypocritical. His
philosophical writings were always regarded as stimulating and he cried out against
tradition and convention - and this in the age of Queen Victoria.
Spouse: JANE BAILLE WELSH - 16425
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1801
Birth Place: EAST LOTHIAN
Death Date: 21 Apr 1866
Marriage Date: 17 Oct 1826
Marriage Place: EAST LOTHIAN
(4) 1.1.2.2 ALEXANDER CARLYLE - 16426
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Birth Date: 4 Aug 1797
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 30 Mar 1876
Death Place: CANADA
(4) 1.1.2.3 JANET CARLYLE - 16427
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Birth Date: 2 Sep 1799
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 30 Mar 1876
Death Place: CANADA
(4) 1.1.2.4 JOHN AITKEN CARLYLE - 16428
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Birth Date: 7 Jul 1801
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 17 Sep 1879
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Occupation: M.D. IN EDINBURGH (NOT PRACTISING) IN 1851
Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR SCOTSBRIDGE AT MIDDLEBIE HOUSEHOLD 6/40 - UNMARRIED.
(4) 1.1.2.5 MARGARET CARLYLE - 16429
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Birth Date: 20 Sep 1803
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 22 Jun 1830
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
(4) 1.1.2.6 JAMES CARLYLE - 16430
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Birth Date: 12 Nov 1805
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 5 May 1890
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Occupation: FARMER OF 240 ACRES EMPLOYING 6 LABOURERS - MIDDLEBIE
Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR SCOTSBRIDGE AT MIDDLEBIE HOUSEHOLD 6/40
Spouse: ISABELLA - 16434
Birth Date: 1807/1808
Birth Place: HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Spouse Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR SCOTSBRIDGE AT MIDDLEBIE HOUSEHOLD 6/40
Children: JAMES - 16435
JANET - 16436
JOHN - 16437
(5) 1.1.2.6.1 JAMES CARLYLE - 16435
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Birth Date: 1834/1835
Birth Place: MIDDLEBIE
Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR SCOTSBRIDGE AT MIDDLEBIE HOUSEHOLD 6/40
(5) 1.1.2.6.2 JANET CARLYLE - 16436
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Birth Date: 1834/1835
Birth Place: MIDDLEBIE
Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR SCOTSBRIDGE AT MIDDLEBIE HOUSEHOLD 6/40
(5) 1.1.2.6.3 JOHN CARLYLE - 16437
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Birth Date: 1836/1837
Birth Place: MIDDLEBIE
Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR SCOTSBRIDGE AT MIDDLEBIE HOUSEHOLD 6/40
(4) 1.1.2.7 MARY CARLYLE - 16431
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Birth Date: 12 Feb 1808
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 6 Apr 1888
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Spouse: JAMES CARRUTHERS - 14588
Children: CHRISTOPHER - 15572
(5) 1.1.2.7.1 CHRISTOPHER CARRUTHERS - 15572
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Birth Date: 13 Oct 1828
Birth Place: HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Occupation: JOINER
Notes:
1851 CENSUS FOR DALTON, HOUSEHOLD 2/30 - UNMARRIED LODGER IN HOME OF MARY DICK.
(4) 1.1.2.8 JEAN CARLYLE - 16432
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Birth Date: 2 Sep 1810
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 27 Jul 1888
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, DFS
(4) 1.1.2.9 JANET CARLYLE - 16433
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Birth Date: 18 Jul 1813
Birth Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Death Date: 1898
Death Place: CANADA
(3) 1.1.3 FRANCIS CARLYLE - 19469
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Birth Date: 1 Jun 1760
Death Date: 28 Oct 1819
Spouse: ELIZABETH BELL - 19472
Children: THOMAS - 19473
JOHN - 19474
(4) 1.1.3.1 THOMAS CARLYLE - 19473
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Birth Date: 6 Feb 1815
Notes:
EMMIGRATED TO AUSTRALIA
(4) 1.1.3.2 JOHN CARLYLE - 19474
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Birth Date: 17 Apr 1818
(3) 1.1.4 THOMAS CARLYLE - 16439
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Birth Date: 1776
Death Date: 9 Jun 1816
Death Place: MAINHILL
Burial Date: 1816
Burial Place: PENNERSAUGHS, MIDDLEBIE
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(1) 1. WALTER CARLYLE - 1781
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Children: WALTER (JNR) - 1780
THOMAS - 16417
(2) 1.1 WALTER (JNR) CARLYLE IN SORRYSYKE - 1780
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Birth Date: 1713
Death Date: 12 Aug 1766
Burial Date: 1766
Burial Place: PENNERSAUGHS, MIDDLEBIE
Notes:
Pennersaughs Burial Ground, Middlebie:
# 183 – Here lyes Walter Carlyle in Soriesike he died August 12th 1766 age 53
years. (coat of arms)
Children: WALTER - 22
WILLIAM - 2951
JOHN - 2979
THOMAS - 2980
JEAN - 3133
(3) 1.1.1 WALTER CARLYLE IN SORRYSYKE - 22
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Birth Date: 1 Mar 1752
Birth Place: ST MUNGO, SCOTLAND
Occupation: FARMER
Notes:
NOTED AS "IN SORRYSYKE" AT THE TIME OF WALTERS BIRTH (1782) & "IN
NUTHOLM HILL" AT THE TIME OF LIZZYS BIRTH (1798).
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Spouse: JEAN CHALMERS - 23
Birth Date: 1758
Birth Place: DRYFESDALE
Christen Date: 15 Sep 1758
Christen Place: DRYFESDALE
Spouse Father: WILLIAM CHALMERS - 10912
Children: WALTER - 1237
MARY - 2939
ELISABETH "BETTY" - 14
AGNES - 15243
JANET - 19315
(4) 1.1.1.1 WALTER CARLYLE - 1237
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Birth Date: 4 Jun 1782
Birth Place: STRANDS, ST MUNGO
Christen Date: 4 Jun 1782
Death Date: 18 Aug 1848
Occupation: FARMER OF NUTHOLM FARM
Notes:
WALTER IS NAMED AS ELDEST SON. FAMILY IS LISTED IN THE 1851 CENSUS AT HOUSEHOLD 3/35 -
NUTHOLM FARM, ST MUNGO - HUSBAND DECEASED. WIFE JANET FARMING 100 ACRES.
NOTE: NUTHOLM FARM WAS OWNED BY WILLIAM CARRUTHERS AS PER THE FOLLOWING ADVERT....
JUNE 27TH 1820
AN EXCELLENT FARM TO LET.
THE FARM OF NUTHOLM, IN THE PARISH OF St MUNGO, WILL BE LET, FOR SUCH A TERM OF YEARS AS
MAY BE AGREED ON. THE GREATEST PART OF THE LANDS HAVE BEEN LONG IN THE POSSESSION OF THE
PROPRIETER, AND ARE WELL KNOWN FOR PRODUCING EARLY AND ABUNDANT CROPS.- ENTRY MAY BE HAD
AT CANDLEMAS AND WHITSUNDAY 1821.
APPLICATION MAY BE MADE TO THE PROPRIETR, AT NUTHOLM, FOR FURTHER PARTICULARS; OR TO
WILLIAM RICHARDSON, WRITER IN LOCKERBIE, UNTIL THE 2ND DAY OF AUGUST NEXT, WHEN THE TENANT
WILL BE DECLARED.
IN THE EVENT OF THE FARM BEING SET, THE STOCK AND CROP WILL BE SOLD, BY PUBLIC ROUP, ABOUT
THAT TIME.
LOCKERBIE, DRYFESDALE, JUNE 26TH 1820
I HAVE A COPY OF WALTERS WILL:
Walter Carlyle 26/10/1850 Dumfries Sheriff Court
1 SC15/41/9
farmer at Nutholm
Spouse: JANET BELL - 14863
Birth Date: 1801/1802
Birth Place: STRANDS, ST MUNGO
Death Date: After 1851
Occupation: FARMER OF 100 ACRES - NUTHOLM FARM
Spouse Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Nutholm Farm household 3/35
Marriage Date: 26 Nov 1819
Marriage Place: ST MUNGO
Children: THOMAS - 14864
JOHN - 14865
WILLIAM - 14866
MARY - 14867
JANET - 14868
JEAN - 14869
WALTER - 14870
(5) 1.1.1.1.1 THOMAS CARLYLE - 14864
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Birth Date: 29 Nov 1819
Birth Place: STRANDS, ST MUNGO
Christen Date: 29 Nov 1819
Christen Place: ST MUNGO
Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Whitecairn household 4/5 - employed by aunty Agnes Carlyle
Spouse: MARGARET McDOUGAL - 19318
Spouse Father: RICHARD McDOUGAL - 19319
Marriage Date: 1843
Marriage Place: St Mungo, Dumfries
(5) 1.1.1.1.2 JOHN CARLYLE - 14865
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Birth Date: 1825/1826
Birth Place: ST MUNGO
Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Nutholm Farm household 3/35
(5) 1.1.1.1.3 WILLIAM CARLYLE - 14866
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Birth Date: 1827/1828
Birth Place: ST MUNGO
Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Nutholm Farm household 3/35
(5) 1.1.1.1.4 MARY CARLYLE - 14867
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Birth Date: 1829/1830
Birth Place: ST MUNGO
Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Nutholm Farm household 3/35
(5) 1.1.1.1.5 JANET CARLYLE - 14868
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Birth Date: 22 Sep 1832
Birth Place: STRANDS, ST MUNGO
Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Nutholm Farm household 3/35
Spouse: ROBERT SMITH - 15093
Birth Date: 1829
Birth Place: HUTTON & CORRIES
Spouse Father: JAMES SMITH - 14306
Spouse Mother: MARGARET - 15866 (1801-)
Spouse Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Nutholm Farm household 3/35
Marriage Date: 24 Mar 1851
Marriage Place: St Mungo, Dumfries
(5) 1.1.1.1.6 JEAN CARLYLE - 14869
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Birth Date: 19 Apr 1835
Birth Place: STRANDS, ST MUNGO
Christen Date: 11 May 1835
Christen Place: ST MUNGO
Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Nutholm Farm household 3/35
(5) 1.1.1.1.7 WALTER CARLYLE - 14870
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Birth Date: 5 Nov 1838
Birth Place: ST MUNGO
Notes:
1851 census for St Mungo at Nutholm Farm household 3/35
(4) 1.1.1.2 MARY CARLYLE - 2939
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Birth Date: 1788
Birth Place: ST MUNGO
Christen Date: 27 Sep 1788
(4) 1.1.1.3 ELISABETH "BETTY" CARLYLE - 14
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Birth Date: Oct 1798
Birth Place: BOOM, LOCHMABEN, ST MUNGO
Christen Date: 1798
Christen Place: ST MUNGO
Death Date: 11 May 1873
Death Place: MAUCHLINE, AYR
Burial Date: 1873
Burial Place: ST MUNGO, SCOTLAND
Medical: DIED FROM OLD AGE AS CERT BY M. FAULDS, MAUCHLINE.
Notes:
®5 Death
Spouse: GEORGE CARRUTHERS - 13
Birth Date: 1796
Birth Place: DRYFESDALE, DUMFRIES
Christen Date: 1796
Death Date: 2 Feb 1884
Death Place: ECCLEFECHAN, HODDAM, DUMFRIES
Burial Date: 1884
Burial Place: ST MUNGO, SCOTLAND
Occupation: SUPT POLICE AT MAUCHLINE 1861-1871
Medical: DIED FROM BRONCHITIS, OLD AGE AFTER 1.5 MONTHS. CERT BY J.
Spouse Father: GEORGE CARRUTHERS IN GELTRAN - 15 (1756-1825)
Spouse Mother: MARY EDWARDS - 16 (1753-1827)
Spouse Notes:
MARRIAGE RECORD: ®4
GEORGE CARRUTHERS , PATHHEAD, & LIZZY CARLYLE, BOOM, LOCHMABEN, PROCLAIMED &
MARRIED.
LIVED AT PATHHEAD, ST MUNGO WHEN SONS WALTER, GEORGE & CHRISTOPHER & DAU JANE
WERE BORN IE 1816-1824
LIVED AT BECK, DRYFESDALE, WITH PARENTS WHEN OTHER CHILDREN WERE BORN IE OCT 1825-183O
.... AT LEAST.
(GEORGE'S FATHER DIED AT BECK 1825 AND HIS MOTHER 1827)