----- Original Message -----
From: <JFPankow(a)aol.com>
To: <STilleman(a)satx.rr.com>; <CARLOCK-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Correction to information about Caroline CARLOCK STARNES,
b. 1717-1727, d...
Dear Ms. Tilleman,
Thank you so much for your reply to my letter, and also for the link to the "Three
Sisters" web site. I greatly enjoyed reading the information there about the family
of Mary Goldman Starns, born c. 1703, my 6th (and 7th in another line) great grandmother.
That site suggests that three of the sons of Frederick Starns and Mary Goldman married
Carlock ladies: Frederick, Jr. (c.1724-1779) married Mary Carlock, Joseph (c,1730-1779)
married Katherine Carlock, and Adam (c.1732-1816) married Caroline Carlock. This sort of
thing often happened in those days.
Judge Sanford Steelman's web site gives the marriage between Adam and Caroline, but he
does not name the wives of Frederick, Jr. and Joseph.
http://www.starnesfamily.org/FourGen.htm
I think I must have gotten that Joseph married Katherine Carlock from the book "Of
Them That Left A Name Behind," by Herman Starnes. I will have to hunt up my copy of
the book to see if it is in there. I may have heard it from Herman Starnes, himself.
I've gone to Monroe, NC several times and met him. He is a very nice, and extremely
helpful gentleman who, while in his 80s, remains as active and alert as most men half his
age.
I was quite interested to see your reference to the book:
KEGLEY, F. B., Kegley's Virginia Frontier, The Beginning of the Southwest, The Roanoke
of Colonial Days, 1740-1783, (Roanoke, VA: The Southwest Virginia Historical Society,
1938)
Just the other day, I received a letter from someone I had written in researching another
line of my family, and she sent me a quote from another Kegley book "Adventurers on
Western Waters", Vol I, pp. 87, 213, 214" with regard to John Elswick (d.1749),
who was probably a 6th great grandfather of mine in a different line. Her reference was
not nearly as complete as yours. I need to see if I can get copies of these books. It is
fascinating to me to think that these ancestors of mine probably lived quite close
together some 180 years before their descendants, my grandparents, met and married in
1929.
Best Regards,
John
In a message dated 4/18/2006 3:52:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, STilleman(a)satx.rr.com
writes:
John:
Thank you for the correction. The information about Caroline CARLOCK marrying Frederick
STARNES comes from the following source: CARLOCK, Marion Pomeroy, "History of the
Carlock Family," 1989 reprint edition, (Los Angeles, CA: 1929, Marion Pomeroy
Carlock), pages 34, 436, 437, and 613. Caroline is known to have had sons named Adam and
Samuel STARNES who inherited the estate of Caroline's brother Conrad CARLOCK. The
text of Conrad CARLOCK's will appears on page 74 of the above-mentioned book, and
reads as follows. I have typed it as it appears in the book. The notes in parentheses
were probably added by the author.
"LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF
CONRAD CARLOCK OF VIRGINIA
IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. Being in the perfect exercise of reason and memory, and
calling to mind the uncertainty of life, I will and devise as follows: And first I give
my soul to God through the Redeemer, and my body to the grave, to buried in a Christian
manner; and second, I give and bequeath at my death to Konrod Starnes, the son of Adam
Starnes, my bay mare; third, all of my personal estate to my sister's two sons, viz.,
Adam and Samuel Starnes (sons of Caroline Carlock Starnes) to be equally divided between
them by the executors hereinafter mentioned, which I chuse first John Jamison and second
Adam Starnes, both of the County of Washington and State of Virginia.
As witness my hand and seal this 28th day of May, 1811.
Signed and sealed in the presence of: his
Altes James Edmiston Konrod x Carlock (SEAL)
Baglis Williams mark
James Fletcher
Probated at a court held for Washington County, Virginia, on the 20th day of
August, 1811. (Now Smyth Co.)
(Will Book 3, Page 221)."
I have also found the following references to the name Frederick STERN/STARN and the
GOLDMAN family in relation to Caroline's family:
1. HARMAN, John Newton Sr., Annals of Tazewell County, Virginia From 1800 to 1922,
Volume I, (Richmond, VA: W. C. Hill Printing Co., 1923; 1975 additions and reprint by
Netti SCHREINER-YANTIS, Springfield, VA), page 20.
"In the same year, 1753, a road was ordered from Samuel Stalnaker's on Holston
River, to James Davis', with thee workers: James Davis and his sons, Frederic
Garlock, David, George and Conrad Carlock, Frederick Stern, Jacob and Adam Stalnaker,
Jacob and Henry Goldman, Isaiah Hamilton, Hamilton Shoemaker, Timothy Cole, Humphrey Baker
and son, George Stalnaker, Adam Andrews, Mathias Larch, Michael Hook, Martin Counce and
Jacob Mires."
Note that a few paragraphs earlier, on pages 19 and 20, workers on another road, in
1750, were listed as "... Jacob Goldman, ..., John Goldman, ..., Frederick Carloch,
..."
2. KEGLEY, F. B., Kegley's Virginia Frontier, The Beginning of the Southwest, The
Roanoke of Colonial Days, 1740-1783, (Roanoke, VA: The Southwest Virginia Historical
Society, 1938), page 118.
"... Jacob Goldman, Frederick Carlock, ... Farther west on Indian River in 1753 a
road was ordered from Samuel Stalnaker's "on Holston" to James
Davis's--Samuel Stalnaker overseer with workers--James Davis and his sons; Frederick,
David, George and Conrad Carlock; Frederick Starn, Jacob and Adam Stalnaker, Jacob and
Henry Goldman, Isiah Hamilton, Hamilton Shoemaker, Timothy Cole, Humphrey Baker and son,
George Stalnaker, Adam Andrews, Mathias Sarch, Michael Hook, Martin Counts, Jacob
Myers."
Also note the following source for information about this family: The Three Sisters,
Fleta ADAY (fletamae2(a)yahoo.com), Betty RENFROE (brenfroe(a)cswnet.com), and Patsy ARKANSAS,
Nov. 5, 2004,
http://www.cswnet.com/~brenfroe/sterns.htm.
Does your information agree with Joseph STARNES having had sons named Adam and Samuel
STARNES, and a grandson (s/o Adam) named Konrod STARNES, as mentioned in Conrad
CARLOCK's will? Any additional information about Joseph, Caroline, and their
descendants would be greatly appreciated.
Susan Cearlock Tilleman
San Antonio, Texas
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/?Welcom...
----- Original Message -----
From: JFPankow(a)aol.com
To: STilleman(a)satx.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:47 AM
Subject: Carlock/Gerlach and Starns genealogy
Dear Ms. Tilleman,
I just found your Cabarrus County message board post, and a link to your Family Tree
Maker Genealogy site at:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/index.html
You have there that Caroline Carlock married Adam Frederick Starnes/Staring, a son of
Frederick Staring and Mary Goldman. I think this is a mistake.
According to his will and estate settlement, Frederick Staring/Starnes (c.1724-1779),
the son of Frederick (c.1700-1775) and Mary Goldman, was married to a lady named Mary,
whose maiden name is unknown.
However, in my notes, most of which were taken from the book "Of Them That Left A
Name Behind," and from Judge Stanford Steelman's research, I have that Joseph
Starns (c.1730-1779), another son of Frederick (c.1700-1775) and Mary Goldman, was married
to a lady named Katherine (probably Carlock).
I am descended from these folks in two, possibly three, different ways, and would love
to compare notes with you. My lines go as follows:
1. Frederick Staring/Starnes & Mary Goldman
2. Joseph Starns (c.1730-1779) & Katherine (possibly Carlock)
3. Jacob Starns (1775-1848) & Esther Wentz (c.1780-1853)
4. Valentine Starns (c.1800-1875) & Olivia Ritch (c.1803-c.1860)
5. Dulin Stearns (c.1836-1863) & Rusha Elizabeth King (1837-1893)
6. Dulin Benson Stearns (1863-1962) & Mary Jane Beachum (1867-1910)
7. Eunice Virginia Stearns (1906-1983) Mrs. John L. Field, my grandmother.
Another line:
1. Frederick Staring/Starns & Mary Goldman
2. Frederick Starnes (c.1724-1779) & Mary, maiden name unknown
3. David Starnes (1758-c.1833) & Barbara Starns
4. either Nathaniel Starnes (1785-aft.1860) & Susannah Bost, or Valentine Starnes
(1792-1880) & Elizabeth Richardson.
5. Mary V. Starnes (1814-1865) & Harmon Daniel King (1805-1906)
6. Rusha Elizabeth King (1836-1893) & Dulin Stearns (c.1836-1863)
7. Dulin Benson Stearns (1863-1962)....
The Barbara Starns listed above who married David Starnes in 1784, may have been a
daughter of Joseph, and therefore David's first cousin.
Frederick Starnes (c.1724-1779) and his brother Joseph Starns (c.1730-1779) were both
killed in an Indian ambush on the Virginia frontier in what is now Kentucky, in April of
1779. Their widows and younger children came to their lands in Mecklenburg County, NC,
Frederick's settling on Cane Creek, near the Mt. Prospect Methodist Church, and
Joseph's settling on Crooked Creek, near the Morning Star Lutheran Church. Both of
these areas fell (just barely) into Union County, NC in 1842.
Best Regards,
John Field Pankow
Asheville, NC