Hello,
Maybe someone will be interested to know, per the Chief of the Family of
Bruce of Scotland, Carlisle is only one of seven related names that is
allowed to join his family. The Chief of Bruce says we are the "Family of
Bruce" not a "Clan" because the seven families are "all" blood
related.
Whereas Clans allow Septs that are not blooded related, those families
became members of the Clans for protection and agreed to fight for the Chief
and Clan in return. Carlisles are permitted to wear the tartan of Royal
Bruce family and wear the Bruce badge.
Regards,
Lynn R. McR. Hawkins, FSA Scot.
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I will give you some quotes here from the book:
"Carlyle Family and Descendants of John and Sarah (Fairfax) Carlyle. The
Carlyle House and its Associations " by Richard Henry Spencer. Published
1910 by Whittet & Shepperson in Richmond, VA.
"The Carlyle family is one of the most ancient families of Great Britain
and
one which the Conqueror foundin England at the Conquest, and a branch of
which later was ennobled in Scotland. Its origin was either British or
Saxon, but which seems uncertain, most probably British.
While the name is clearly derived from the town or district of Carlisle,
Lugavellum
of the Romans, abbreviated by the Britons to Luel or Leol, to
which was added the prefix Caer or "City" - hence Caerleol, Karleol,
Cairleil, Carlile, Carlisle and Carlyle - with which the earliest recorded
members of the family were connected, there is no trustworhty evidence of
their origin or their history before the year 1092, whem King William Rufus
overran Cumberland, adding it to his English Kingdom, and -------- began to
rebuild and fortify the town of Carleol (Carlisle) which had been destroyed
by the Danes in 875, and which was among the most ancient of the
twenty-eight cities enumerated in history, the name of the city, as well of
the family, being variously spelt at different periods.
At or very shortly after the Conquest, the district wherein the town of
Caerleol
(Carlisle) arose, and the manor of Comquinton, in the parish of
Wetherhal, Cumberland, and other lands, including Kirkhampton his principal,
belonged to one Hildredus de Caerleol or De Karleol.
Miss C. L. Johnstone in her "Historical Families of Dumpriesshire",
originally published dumfries, Scotland, 1889 and reprinted by Clearfield
Company, Inc by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, Maryland in
1996 and 1998 (ISBN:0-08063-4629-9) has a pedigree showing wherein Sir
William Carlile (descended from Malcolm II 1005-1034) shows married to
Margaret Brus, sister of King Robert I (the Bruce) d. 1327.
Hope this is of some help.
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