Ladies,
I hope that Arthur or Eddie Carden don't mind me addressing this one.
Going where 'angels fear to tread', I'll jump right in.
Just as a reminder, in order to check if your mother's direct female
bloodline has Indian blood you can be tested for it through a reputable
Genetic Genealogy company like FTDNA. This same company administers
the Carden Genealogy Project that we all know about for the male lines.
The results will be sent to you and then (with your permission) this info.
can be shared with others in the company's database. Although possibly
diluted by many generations in time, your actual chromosome makeup
(Genotype) will display the 'tell tale' marker, if there, no matter if it's
as recent as you or your mother, or back to your 4th Gr-G.mother and
beyond.
My husband's mother has such a marker, but first we had some of the
'family lore', and even some of the 'paper trail proof' but not all, that
lead us to believe she's directly descended from Niketti, one of (many)
sisters of Pocohontas. Since that was abt. 11 generations ago we had
to use mt-DNA testing to find out if his mom truly has 'Indian blood'
or not. Now that we find that she has Indian blood, we know to look
even harder at the paper info. we have to see about establishing a more
definitive 'proof' of this connection.
Now for the male line/s you search.
The same testing applies to your Carden male line. Any Carden male in
your direct line can also be tested for the presence of Indian blood .
If he's already been tested and the results are known, you can still
request that FTDNA (or whoever you use to test the sample) goes
back and tests his previous sample for Indian markers. This test can
be done either on the sample from a new client who asks and pays for
it, or on an already established test samples the company keeps frozen
for at least 10 years.
FTDNA offers the free service of either <Y-DNA.ORG> or <MTDNA.ORG>
sites online for posting your DYS marker values, but the presence of
Indian blood does not automatically show up unless you pay for it.
Right now FTDNA is offering some 'end of the year deals' on several
of its tests. I'm not sure which ones, but you might want to ck.
All of this is part of what makes genetic genealogy so exciting, right?
Martha
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Today's Topics:
1. Monroe County Tn. Reservation land (elisa sanford)
2. Re: Monroe County Tn. Reservation land (Byron, Ruth)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:29:16 -0800 (PST)
From: elisa sanford <esanala(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [CARDEN] Monroe County Tn. Reservation land
To: carden-l(a)rootsweb.com
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i am posting part of an message that my cousin Barbara Mitchell sent to me,
it was from Joyce Gaston Reece, about the Adams from Monroe County.........
please notice the name AUSTIN RYDER , down close to the bottom of the
paragraph.. Austin Ryder's wife was Sarah A. Carden, daughter of Larkin F.
Carden, who was a brother to my 3rd g-grandfather, Reuben Carden.........
does any one know if there was any Indian blood from Sarah's mother, Nancy
Henderson ? if not, then this may be the clue that my family has been
looking for , so long as to the Indian blood in our family, although we have
through family lore been told that the blood came through Reuben's wife
Rachel ..... if Sarah did have Indian blood and not through her
mother........then it had to come through the Carden line...maybe in more
than one child . ....................................................
please read below
The Reservations were allotted to the Cherokee citizens according
to the 1817 & 1819 Treatys.? Many of them were clustered in the
Belltown area of Monroe Co.? These Cherokee were encouraged to become
farmers and assimilate into the surrounding society.? In doing so
many/most of them took English names, if they intended to stay on the
land.? Some immediately sold the land.? IE, Cabbin Smith sold his to
Gideon Morgan, Jr.? Some of them were white men who got the Reservations
because their wife was an Indian....usually a mixed blood.? This was
the case with Joseph Phillips,
Austin Ryder and others.? So it isn't at all difficult to imagine a man
taking a reservation using his Cherokee name then changing it to an
English one....something like James Adams???
<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span
style="font-style:italic;"><span
style="font-weight:bold;">The Lord is my rock, my fortress and my
deliverer;<br> my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge.<br> <br>
Psalms
18:2<br></span></span></span>
Knesset Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu said during a speech that ?if the Arabs
lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its
weapons there would be no more Israel.?
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:20:07 -0500
From: "Byron, Ruth" <RuthByron(a)fdle.state.fl.us>
Subject: Re: [CARDEN] Monroe County Tn. Reservation land
To: "carden(a)rootsweb.com" <carden(a)rootsweb.com>
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I have, through family lore, Cherokee Indian blood although I haven't been
able to prove it and it would probably be through North Carolina. I have
heard that a couple of ancestors were living on Indian Reservation Country.
I just need to nail it down as to who.Our Carden line comes from William and
Elizabeth Carden, North Carolina.
ruthbyron(a)fdle.state.fl.us
Fort Myers Crime Lab
4700 Terminal Drive
Fort Myers, FL 33907
-----Original Message-----
From: carden-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:carden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of elisa sanford
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:29 PM
To: carden-l(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN] Monroe County Tn. Reservation land
i am posting part of an message that my cousin Barbara Mitchell sent to me,
it was from Joyce Gaston Reece, about the Adams from Monroe County.........
please notice the name AUSTIN RYDER , down close to the bottom of the
paragraph.. Austin Ryder's wife was Sarah A. Carden, daughter of Larkin F.
Carden, who was a brother to my 3rd g-grandfather, Reuben Carden.........
does any one know if there was any Indian blood from Sarah's mother, Nancy
Henderson ? if not, then this may be the clue that my family has been
looking for , so long as to the Indian blood in our family, although we have
through family lore been told that the blood came through Reuben's wife
Rachel ..... if Sarah did have Indian blood and not through her
mother........then it had to come through the Carden line...maybe in more
than one child . ....................................................
please read below
The Reservations were allotted to the Cherokee citizens according
to the 1817 & 1819 Treatys. Many of them were clustered in the Belltown
area of Monroe Co. These Cherokee were encouraged to become farmers and
assimilate into the surrounding society. In doing so many/most of them took
English names, if they intended to stay on the land. Some immediately sold
the land. IE, Cabbin Smith sold his to Gideon Morgan, Jr. Some of them
were white men who got the Reservations because their wife was an
Indian....usually a mixed blood. This was the case with Joseph Phillips,
Austin Ryder and others. So it isn't at all difficult to imagine a man
taking a reservation using his Cherokee name then changing it to an English
one....something like James Adams???
<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span
style="font-style:italic;"><span
style="font-weight:bold;">The Lord is my rock, my fortress and my
deliverer;<br> my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge.<br> <br>
Psalms
18:2<br></span></span></span>
Knesset Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu said during a speech that "if the Arabs
lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its
weapons there would be no more Israel."
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