In a message dated 31/01/03 08:38:44 GMT Standard Time,
ronnie(a)southwest.com.au writes:
I came across two men married the same year one named Frederick
Charles
CARDEN (m Mary Matilda AGNEW)- I don't know where he connects and what
branch of Carden.
Also Frederick CARDEN b c1829 d 1874 who married Margaret Flood which was
his 2nd marriage. I could never find a death for the first wife after she
come to Aus and as you said they arrived without the baby Ann. Perhaps
she returned to Ireland again soon after to her baby because she didn't
like
Australia. I couldn't find her death in Aus. and he married in 1857 less
than 2 years after they both arrived in Aus. She must have died in the
interim.
1075/1857 CARDEN FREDERICK CHARLES AGNEW MARY MATILDA REDFERN
1572/1857 CARDEN FREDERICK FLOOD MARGARET BROULEE NSW.
Let me know if these are a nuisance value.
Ronnie -
These are the relevant paragraphs from Frederick's entry in my latest draft
on Barnane-in-Australia:
Married (1) 1853 in Co Wicklow, Ireland Anne Cunningham (1829-1857),
issue Anne 1854.
Frederick and Anne arrived in Australia 18 Sept 1855 on the ship
Eliza, aged 24 and 26, apparently without their child Anne. Anne
Cunningham died on 12 January 1857 not long after her arrival in Australia
(see remarks below in her daughter Annie's entry). She came from
Baltinglass, Co Wicklow.
Married (2) 13 Oct 1857, Moruya, Margaret Flood (JHC: reg Broulee No
1572, NSW). Issue Elizabeth 1859, Francis 1861, Margaret 1862, Teresa 1863,
Catherine 1865, Robert 1867, Thomas 1869.
As you see, I have a date of death for his first wife, but I don't say where
I got it from. Probably from Joan Hedges, see Annie's entry below:
1854 ANNE CARDEN ("Annie").
Joan Hedges wrote in 1998: "I have not been able to find out why my
grandmother was left back in Ireland when her parents came to Australia in
September 1855. She was born in 1854, although I don't have the month, so
she was very young to be parted from her parents. Sadly her mother died in a
Sydney hospital just 15 months after arrival on 12 January 1857. My
grandmother did get to Australia, but I don't know how or when." Annie died
1914.
Meg Gibbon wrote in 2000: "Annie never knew that Margaret Flood was
not her mother until Frederick died and she found out she was an orphan. My
theory is that Anne Cunningham died in childbirth and somehow the record of
Anne's birth has been lost."
I don't at present have any clue as to who Frederick Charles Carden (who
married Mary Agnew in the same year, 1857) might be.
The following snippet may interest you:
The birth of an Easter Carden, child of Frederick Carden and Mary
Carmichael, was reg Victoria, Sandhurst, 1855 No 5433, death reg Sandhurst,
Victoria 1855 No 5433. This must have been another Frederick Carden
altogether, though not, it seems, a member of the Bendigo branch, qv.
(Many of the Bendigo branch were born in Sandhurst or neighbouring places)
Any ideas? Poor little Easter!
Any nuisance value?
Arthur