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Hi listers
I have only just opened up my emails for the second time in two months.
As Joe Challis so rightly said I have been overseas on family history research and dealing with the death of my mother on my return.
I apologise to anyone who was upset but IT WAS NOT ME!!!
As I have been a list member for some I am puzzled and offended as to why other listers could think that that the sudden sending of irrelevant and annoying messages was from me.
I do know the culprits and they have been dealt with.
Stephanie Winnett
How about picking a long weekend like Labor Day Weekend.......when most of us have and extra day off.
Elisa
----- Original Message -----
From: Cherylscarden99(a)cs.com
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:07 PM
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Get together- in Orange County, N.C. 2003
Hello to all listers on the Carden Website! It seems that we have 7 or 8
positive responses to a gathering next year in Orange County, N.C.!!!!!!!
Arthur has mentioned several dates that would not be very convenient for him
if he is able to attend. Anyone else have dates that would be a conflict?
Please let me know so that we can settle on a definite date. We are so
excited to have had "definite maybes" from several of you and we have some
great ideas for this event. Hoping to hear from you in the next week or so
in order that Fred and I can get going on this. Cheryl Staley Carden
Hello to all listers on the Carden Website! It seems that we have 7 or 8
positive responses to a gathering next year in Orange County, N.C.!!!!!!!
Arthur has mentioned several dates that would not be very convenient for him
if he is able to attend. Anyone else have dates that would be a conflict?
Please let me know so that we can settle on a definite date. We are so
excited to have had "definite maybes" from several of you and we have some
great ideas for this event. Hoping to hear from you in the next week or so
in order that Fred and I can get going on this. Cheryl Staley Carden
In a message dated 26/07/02 07:02:06 GMT Daylight Time,
Cherylscarden99(a)cs.com writes:
> If the Carden researchers are REALLY serious about getting together in
> Orange
> County, my husband Fred says that we would be happy to host such an event
> next year.
Cheryl and Fred - I think we are REALLY SERIOUS.
Please don't pick a date before October 2002 or in July or August 2003
Just to give you some ideas, here is the program we put together for our
Gathering in 1998.
Arthur
----
Accomodation. Everyone to look after his own accommodation. Lists of
hotels, guest houses, camp sites provided by tourist board.
Fee. Registration Fee $15 (everyone except children, friends, nannies).
Saturday lunch $17.
Information packs: Mavesyn Ridware $8. Carden Lead Mine $2.
Coach ticket to Mavesyn Ridware $6
Carden Wine with special label: can't remember price.
Friday. Suggest those arriving Friday meet at Carden Park Hotel
Saturday. Documents and displays (mostly provides by delegates) at Village
Hall all day. Light refreshments all day, courtesy local womens' group).
Photocopier available. 12.30 lunch at Bishop Heber Comprehensive School,
Malpas; speeches. 2.00 Panoramic Photo. 3.30 Ten-minute talks (a dozen
very short talks by different people following each other in rapid
succession). 6.00 Evensong at Tilston Church at which Joan Carden OBE will
sing.
Saturday evening. Dinners, barbecues, etc organised by individual branches.
Sunday. Documents and displays at village hall all day. Light refreshments
available all day. 0800 Coach leaves for Mavesyn Ridware. 11.00 Conducted
tour of Carden tombs at St Nicholas' church, Mavesyn Ridware. Afternoon:
individual visits to Carden Lead Mines, site of Carden Hall, historic
Chester, other Carden buildings or items. 4.30 close of organised
arrangements.
(prices converted from pounds to dollars)
Everyone received a "conference pack," with lists of people, badges, tickets,
maps, etc. Wonderful help was given by the local school, the headmaster of
which just happened to be a Carding.
Elisa,
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/MapServer?f_name=Belltown&f_state=TN&f_lat
long=352545N0841502W&f_type=ppl&server=TIGER
Here is the location of Belltown. Be sure and copy all of it and paste it
into your browser.
Trisha Swallows Carden
Nashville, Tennessee
G-Ma(a)tcarden.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "elisa sanford" <esan(a)ala.nu>
To: <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [CARDEN-L] Leonard and Tabitha Carden (Monroe County, TN)
> Janet, thanks for the info about the location of Cane Creek/Belltown, i
wondered if it was really small, i couldn't locate it on the map.
>
> Elisa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: G & J Gecowets
> To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:40 PM
> Subject: [CARDEN-L] Leonard and Tabitha Carden (Monroe County, TN)
>
>
> I don't know if this helps or complicates matters, but I've been to
Monroe
> County several times (my mom grew up in Belltown and is my Carden link)
and
> prowled through their records. The only thing I've come up with so far
that
> even remotely resembles a legal document is Leonard Carden's will, dated
6
> December 1854, which mentions his "first wife" (not named) and their
> children, as well as his current wife Sintha (Hanson).
>
> That's probably not news to the many subscribers on the list who are
> descendants of Leonard, and I know it's been extremely frustrating to
me. I
> still have some documents (from my last visit to Monroe County) to pore
> through, but I'm not optimistic. For those who are not familiar with
the
> area, Cane Creek/Belltown is back in the hills - way back. Record
keeping
> was not one of their strong suits, plus a fire in the Monroe County
> courthouse during the Civil War destroyed many early records.
>
> I hope someone can find some kind of documentation somewhere, maybe
hidden
> away in an old desk drawer, that helps straighten this out.
>
> --
> Janet Gecowets
> Looking for nearly every surname in Monroe County, but especially
Bivens,
> Carden, Giles, Roberts, Phillips, and many more
>
>
>
>
>
Forwarded Message Date:Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:59:56 EDTFrom:Runningbull24@aol.comTo:CARDEN-L@rootsweb.comSubject:Re: [CARDEN-L] Carden get-together in Orange County??????
Richard wrote:
Rally around it!!! even thou im in michigan my roots run deep in Dixie!!!!!!!!! RichardI agree.... let's meet in Orange Co, NC in the not too distant future !
Martha
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Elisa forgot to mention that the legal land record where Leonard Cardin and Catherine (Caty) sold the
land to Larkin Cardin on Sept. 28, 1814 that was described as part of a grant to Leonard Cardin Sr., and the land record where Larkin Cardin sold this same land to Richard Thomson on November 25, 1817 (Betsy Cardin his wife renounced her
dower to this land), and where Richard Thomson sold part of this land to the Trustees of the Free Will Baptist Church on September 11, 1840 are all located in
Spartanburg County SC legal land records. The last deed where Richard Thomson sold the land in 1840 plainly says that he had bought the land from Larkin Cardin who got the land from his father Leonard Cardin. Proof that Larkin Cardin of Monroe County was the one from Spartanburg County is also found in land records in Spartanburg. Sorry for the long EMail to the group but it was important (to me)
that everyone know where these land records are located. Too many Leonards,
Larkins, etc are getting mixed up! No more long messages, I promise! Bobbie
Janet, thanks for the info about the location of Cane Creek/Belltown, i wondered if it was really small, i couldn't locate it on the map.
Elisa
----- Original Message -----
From: G & J Gecowets
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:40 PM
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Leonard and Tabitha Carden (Monroe County, TN)
I don't know if this helps or complicates matters, but I've been to Monroe
County several times (my mom grew up in Belltown and is my Carden link) and
prowled through their records. The only thing I've come up with so far that
even remotely resembles a legal document is Leonard Carden's will, dated 6
December 1854, which mentions his "first wife" (not named) and their
children, as well as his current wife Sintha (Hanson).
That's probably not news to the many subscribers on the list who are
descendants of Leonard, and I know it's been extremely frustrating to me. I
still have some documents (from my last visit to Monroe County) to pore
through, but I'm not optimistic. For those who are not familiar with the
area, Cane Creek/Belltown is back in the hills - way back. Record keeping
was not one of their strong suits, plus a fire in the Monroe County
courthouse during the Civil War destroyed many early records.
I hope someone can find some kind of documentation somewhere, maybe hidden
away in an old desk drawer, that helps straighten this out.
--
Janet Gecowets
Looking for nearly every surname in Monroe County, but especially Bivens,
Carden, Giles, Roberts, Phillips, and many more
I don't know if this helps or complicates matters, but I've been to Monroe
County several times (my mom grew up in Belltown and is my Carden link) and
prowled through their records. The only thing I've come up with so far that
even remotely resembles a legal document is Leonard Carden's will, dated 6
December 1854, which mentions his "first wife" (not named) and their
children, as well as his current wife Sintha (Hanson).
That's probably not news to the many subscribers on the list who are
descendants of Leonard, and I know it's been extremely frustrating to me. I
still have some documents (from my last visit to Monroe County) to pore
through, but I'm not optimistic. For those who are not familiar with the
area, Cane Creek/Belltown is back in the hills - way back. Record keeping
was not one of their strong suits, plus a fire in the Monroe County
courthouse during the Civil War destroyed many early records.
I hope someone can find some kind of documentation somewhere, maybe hidden
away in an old desk drawer, that helps straighten this out.
--
Janet Gecowets
Looking for nearly every surname in Monroe County, but especially Bivens,
Carden, Giles, Roberts, Phillips, and many more
Elisa: Please do not misunderstand me..I have never disagreed with the fact that
Leonard Cardin's wife was named Tabitha and that they lived in Monroe County TN. I have never disagreed with the fact that Larkin and Leonard were brothers -
I only say that I have never found Tabitha's name mentioned in any legal records
with Leonards name like most wives are mentioned in legal records when they do the "dowery"thing which I guess is when the wife give up any hold they might have had on the land,etc. The only place I have ever found Tabitha's name with Leonard's name was in the book "Tennessee Cousins" or from someone who got the information from there. I certainly do not want to make the descendents of Leonard upset. Has anyone from the Monroe County Tennessee area ever had a chance to go thru the records there? Someday I would like to have a chance to go there and do research. Bobbie
>
>Jerry, I think you should agree at your reunion to hold a massive Carden
>Family Gathering at your 79th, inviting everyone! Several of us from England
>and Australia might come.
Arthur and others,
I don't think Iowa would be a big draw for people! There are so few people
left in my line that there aren't many folks to attend our reunion. There also
seems to be a fair number of the under 40 crowd that you can't seem to get
interested in this kind of thing. My Iowa line has kept great documentation in
the form of pictures and other records from each year and it's fun to go back
and look at the changes in your ancestors from year to year.
>Plenty of people have said they would attend another gathering in England --
>all that is needed is for someone to offer to organise it. (I did the
>organising in 1998 -- great fun, but I think it is someone else's turn now
>that I'm nearer 75 than 70!)
I look forward to getting a copy of the 1998 report. I ordered one from Ann
Symonds after you posted that info to the list. Hopefully there are some folks
close to Cheshire that will take over the reigns and get the ball rolling for
something in the next few years. Those kinds of things are hard to organize
from a distance, but I'd be happy to help however I could. It also sounds like
something may already be in the works in NC which would be great too. I'll
certainly encourage Iowa Cardens to attend.
Jerry
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jerry Carden
Full time: Education Coordinator
Health Alliance Medical Plans
Part time: Visiting Lecturer, Dept. of Community Health,
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Day- 217-337-8472
jcarden(a)uiuc.edu
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I have received my copy from Bobbie of what she had. I must admitt she makes a very very good case. Especially the part where she has this:
Richard Thomson of Spartanburg Dist. in consideration of $15.00 paid by the Trustees of the Church called the Free Will Baptist, near the Boiling Springs in said Dist. , have sold a certain lot of land near the branch of the Boiling Spring , waters of Lawsons Fork and Pacotlet River in said Dist. , about a half mile or three quarters of a mile below the Boiling Spring, on the south side of the branch and Road leading from said Spring to the Colters Ford on Pacolet River. Border: Thomson's tract that he purchased from LARKIN CARDIN and ORIGINALLY GRANTED TO HIS FATHER LEONARD CARDIN. containing 1 1/2 ac. more or less , for the use of a church and burial ground . N.B. the use of the water is given by a path to the spring . Wit. James J. Vernon, J. Tapp, signed Richard Thomson. Wit. oath by J. Tapp, Oct. 1840 to H.Hicks J.Q. Rec. 22 Sept. 1841.
Bobbie, on page 8 i believe you say you can't prove that the Leonard Carden who married Tabitha Peace and went into Monroe Co. Tn. and Larkin Cardin from the Spartanburg area were brothers from any records in Spartanburg, but i believe i can from Tn. records. i have this in my files:
John Carden VS Larkin Carden Jr. filed 13 March 1847. John Carden of Polk Co. bought land on Cane Creek in Monroe Co. 12 Nov. 1845 form John Daughtery and wife Isobel, formally Isobel Brown. Isobel was assigner of Wm Patterson but had lost the entry and the affidavit the Daughtery's gave John Carden was defective. Before John Carden could go to Hamilton Co. to get another one his brother Larkin Carden Jr. had procured one, telling the Daughtery's that John was sick, and had gotten the grant for the said land.Larkin claims that he had bought the land , which he has sold to Thomas Giles now dec'd and Giles heirs are in possession.
John Daughtery was 85 on 1 Jan. 1846 and died 23 April 1846, Isobel , 57, in 1847 was his 2nd wife. 1847 witness MERIDAH LAWSON , 21 is grandson of John Daughtery , witness ELIZABETH LAWSON, 50, is dia. of John Daughtery and her own mother died 16 years ago. 1848 Larkin Carden wants Wm. Patterson of Coweta Co. Georgia as a witness;ALBERT GROGAN , 33 Polk Co. , is brother-in-law of John Carden; witness LEONARD CARDEN SR. , is 66, ; witness LARKIN CARDEN SR. is 61; ALFRED is brother to John & Larkin Carden Jr., 1850, witness NATHANIEL LAWSON , 20, deposes in Hamilton Co. that he was with his grandfather John Daughtery in Marion Co. below Kelly's Ferry when he first saw Larkin Carden.
These men....Alfred, Larkin, John, are brothers to my ggg-grandfather Reuben.
I love to know where you found the Militia lists listing Reuben Carden, i didn't know he had any military records.
sorry list for getting so long in this...............Elisa
Arthur, you wrote:
"...Plenty of people have said they would attend another gathering in England -- all that is needed is for someone to offer to organise it. (I did the organising in
1998 -- great fun, but I think it is someone else's turn now that I'm nearer
75 than 70!) --- Arthur "
We all think that you're forever young !
Martha
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______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:44:44 EDT
From: CardenAE1(a)aol.com
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Where's Cheshire?
In a message dated 24/07/02 18:16:23 GMT Daylight Time,
bateman1(a)blueyonder.co.uk writes:
> Hi Jerry,
>
> My, you've put me on the spot now. Our county system can be a minefield for
> the unwary family historian if they don't know our recent geographical
> history.
The changes made in the 1970 were very unpopular, not only with family
historians!
Those following the DNA saga may be interested to know that those with a DNA
match to the "Cheshire Carden Group" are almost certain to be descended from
Cawardens (the Carden name did not become common until the 17th century)
living about 1200 AD in the township of Carden near Tilston in Cheshire,
about 5 miles in the direction of Chester from Whitchurch and only a couple
of miles from the Welsh border which runs along the river Dee nearby. We
held our Carden Gathering there in 1998. All descendents who visit the
Carden Arms pub thoroughly enjoy that!
Arthur
______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:15:51 -0500
From: jcarden
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [CARDEN-L] Where's Cheshire?
Arthur,
This is VERY timely information indeed. The 78th annual Carden family reunion
of my line in Iowa is being held this Sunday! I'll have all kinds of new
information to share at that event.
BTW- are there plans for another Carden Gathering in Cheshire? I would LOVE to
attend!
Jerry Carden
>Those following the DNA saga may be interested to know that those with a DNA
>match to the "Cheshire Carden Group" are almost certain to be descended from
>Cawardens (the Carden name did not become common until the 17th century)
>living about 1200 AD in the township of Carden near Tilston in Cheshire,
>about 5 miles in the direction of Chester from Whitchurch and only a couple
>of miles from the Welsh border which runs along the river Dee nearby. We
>held our Carden Gathering there in 1998. All descendents who visit the
>Carden Arms pub thoroughly enjoy that!
>
>Arthur
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jerry Carden
Full time: Education Coordinator
Health Alliance Medical Plans
Part time: Visiting Lecturer, Dept. of Community Health,
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Day- 217-337-8472
jcarden(a)uiuc.edu
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______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:33:36 -0500
From: jcarden
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [CARDEN-L] Iowa/Illinois Carden's & reply to Ray Conlin
>===== Original Message From "Raymond W. Conlin" =====
>You say that you are an Iowa/Illinois CArden. From which family. . .any
>relationship to John Carden of Chicago? Ray W. Conlin
Ray,
I'm not sure if I'm related to your John Carden or not.
My family descended from William Carden (b. 1795 in Yorkshire) married to
Sarah Radcliffe and they came to US in 1819. Settled for awhile in Cincinnati
area and they eventually moved with two of their adult son's families to SE
Iowa in the 1850�s. William had one son by the name of John- born in 1829 that
married a Mary Cornic. They settled in Iowa also. Their first-born son was
named John. I�m not sure what happened to him but he would have been born
around 1850.
What do you know about your John Carden in Chicago?
Jerry Carden, Urbana, IL
>----- Original Message -----
>From: jcarden
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:45 PM
>Subject: RE: [CARDEN-L] Pronunciation of "Carden"
>
>
>>Like Garden only with a C instead of a G.
>>
>Hello from an Iowa/Illinois Carden- this is exactly how my family has
>pronounced it and how I explain it to others. And I get a fair amount of
>mail
>addressed to Jerry 'Garden' :-)
>
>There's also the designer, Pierre Cardin (he pronounces it kardan), and I've
>wondered if others with the 'in' ending use that pronunciation or if
>'kardan'
>is used only by Pierre for 'effect?'
>
>Jerry Carden, Urbana, Illinois
>
>
>>Trisha Swallows Carden
>>Nashville, Tennessee
>>G-Ma(a)tcarden.com
>>
>>
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>> /__/ _/\_ /___/\
>> | | | | | | | || |l
>> ,.-�� ,.-�~�~�-.,
>> As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "sapp"
>>To:
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:51 PM
>>Subject: [CARDEN-L] Pronunciation of "Carden"
>>
>>
>>> I'm sure showing my ignorance here but it is only recently that I learned
>>that I had Carden roots back five generations. Am I correct in guessing
>>that "Carden" is frequently pronounced as if it rhymes with sardine? Of
>>maybe the pronunciations are all over the map? I'd be interested in
>hearing
>>about this as it may be an important clue in my genealogy research.
>>> David Sapp
>>>
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Jerry Carden
>Full time: Education Coordinator
> Health Alliance Medical Plans
>Part time: Visiting Lecturer, Dept. of Community Health,
> University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
> Day- 217-337-8472
> jcarden(a)uiuc.edu
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jerry Carden
Full time: Education Coordinator
Health Alliance Medical Plans
Part time: Visiting Lecturer, Dept. of Community Health,
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Day- 217-337-8472
jcarden(a)uiuc.edu
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______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:47:48 EDT
From: CardenAE1(a)aol.com
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] New Carden Gathering.
In a message dated 25/07/02 16:16:29 GMT Daylight Time,
jcarden(a)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
> The 78th annual Carden family reunion
> of my line in Iowa is being held this Sunday! I'll have all kinds of new
> information to share at that event.
>
> BTW- are there plans for another Carden Gathering in Cheshire? I would LOVE
> to
> attend!
> Jerry Carden
>
Jerry, I think you should agree at your reunion to hold a massive Carden
Family Gathering at your 79th, inviting everyone! Several of us from England
and Australia might come. Any chance you could hold it in Orange County,
North Carolina? Or at any of the many places called Carden in USA (see
Trish's site). Where's Iowa? Or maybe at Salt Lake City so that we could
all take the opportunity of using the LDS library. I would be glad to notify
the 300 or more people on my Carden mailing-list. I'm serious, just do it!
Our 1998 gathering was attended by 150 people from nine different countries
and made a surplus of 500 dollars which we are still wondering how to spend.
There are still a few copies of the 56-page illustrated Report. Plenty of
people have said they would attend another gathering in England -- all that
is needed is for someone to offer to organise it. (I did the organising in
1998 -- great fun, but I think it is someone else's turn now that I'm nearer
75 than 70!)
Arthur
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In a message dated 26/07/02 07:10:34 GMT Daylight Time,
Cherylscarden99(a)cs.com writes:
> By chance tonight at the library, I found Joseph Simpson Carden and his
> wife,
> Catherine Jane Albright or Jane Katherine Albright (depending on which
> Albright book you are perusing---there are 5 or 6).
Joseph Simpson Carden belongs to the branch covered by the document I sent
you and half-a-dozen others this month. Arthur
If the Carden researchers are REALLY serious about getting together in Orange
County, my husband Fred says that we would be happy to host such an event
next year. Even though we are in Alamance County, we could make Mebane the
gathering point as it is on the Alamance/Orange borders and within 20 minutes
of Durham where many Cardens are buried. Also we have visited quite a few of
the rural cemeteries where Cardens are buried in both counties. Just
something for everyone to kick around.
Cheryl Staley Carden
P.S. Although the Alamance County Cardens tend not to claim each other as
relatives. we would do our utmost to contact any and all local Cardens we can
find in phone books, etc. for this gathering.
By chance tonight at the library, I found Joseph Simpson Carden and his wife,
Catherine Jane Albright or Jane Katherine Albright (depending on which
Albright book you are perusing---there are 5 or 6). They were originally
from the Alamance/Orange Counties area but they and their offspring wound up
in Missouri, Nebraska, and Oregon. If anyone is researching this Carden let
me know and I will forward what the books say about them.
Cheryl Staley Carden
In a message dated 25/07/02 16:16:29 GMT Daylight Time,
jcarden(a)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
> The 78th annual Carden family reunion
> of my line in Iowa is being held this Sunday! I'll have all kinds of new
> information to share at that event.
>
> BTW- are there plans for another Carden Gathering in Cheshire? I would LOVE
> to
> attend!
> Jerry Carden
>
Jerry, I think you should agree at your reunion to hold a massive Carden
Family Gathering at your 79th, inviting everyone! Several of us from England
and Australia might come. Any chance you could hold it in Orange County,
North Carolina? Or at any of the many places called Carden in USA (see
Trish's site). Where's Iowa? Or maybe at Salt Lake City so that we could
all take the opportunity of using the LDS library. I would be glad to notify
the 300 or more people on my Carden mailing-list. I'm serious, just do it!
Our 1998 gathering was attended by 150 people from nine different countries
and made a surplus of 500 dollars which we are still wondering how to spend.
There are still a few copies of the 56-page illustrated Report. Plenty of
people have said they would attend another gathering in England -- all that
is needed is for someone to offer to organise it. (I did the organising in
1998 -- great fun, but I think it is someone else's turn now that I'm nearer
75 than 70!)
Arthur
>===== Original Message From "Raymond W. Conlin" <rayco(a)n-jcenter.com> =====
>You say that you are an Iowa/Illinois CArden. From which family. . .any
>relationship to John Carden of Chicago? Ray W. Conlin
Ray,
I'm not sure if I'm related to your John Carden or not.
My family descended from William Carden (b. 1795 in Yorkshire) married to
Sarah Radcliffe and they came to US in 1819. Settled for awhile in Cincinnati
area and they eventually moved with two of their adult son's families to SE
Iowa in the 1850s. William had one son by the name of John- born in 1829 that
married a Mary Cornic. They settled in Iowa also. Their first-born son was
named John. Im not sure what happened to him but he would have been born
around 1850.
What do you know about your John Carden in Chicago?
Jerry Carden, Urbana, IL
>----- Original Message -----
>From: jcarden <jcarden(a)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
>To: <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:45 PM
>Subject: RE: [CARDEN-L] Pronunciation of "Carden"
>
>
>>Like Garden only with a C instead of a G.
>>
>Hello from an Iowa/Illinois Carden- this is exactly how my family has
>pronounced it and how I explain it to others. And I get a fair amount of
>mail
>addressed to Jerry 'Garden' :-)
>
>There's also the designer, Pierre Cardin (he pronounces it kardan), and I've
>wondered if others with the 'in' ending use that pronunciation or if
>'kardan'
>is used only by Pierre for 'effect?'
>
>Jerry Carden, Urbana, Illinois
>
>
>>Trisha Swallows Carden
>>Nashville, Tennessee
>>G-Ma(a)tcarden.com
>>
>>
>> ___ _/ /\____
>> /__/ _/\_ /___/\
>> | | | | | | | || |l
>> ,.-·° ,.-·~·~·-.,
>> As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "sapp" <djsapp1(a)mchsi.com>
>>To: <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:51 PM
>>Subject: [CARDEN-L] Pronunciation of "Carden"
>>
>>
>>> I'm sure showing my ignorance here but it is only recently that I learned
>>that I had Carden roots back five generations. Am I correct in guessing
>>that "Carden" is frequently pronounced as if it rhymes with sardine? Of
>>maybe the pronunciations are all over the map? I'd be interested in
>hearing
>>about this as it may be an important clue in my genealogy research.
>>> David Sapp
>>>
>
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>Jerry Carden
>Full time: Education Coordinator
> Health Alliance Medical Plans
>Part time: Visiting Lecturer, Dept. of Community Health,
> University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
> Day- 217-337-8472
> jcarden(a)uiuc.edu
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Jerry Carden
Full time: Education Coordinator
Health Alliance Medical Plans
Part time: Visiting Lecturer, Dept. of Community Health,
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Day- 217-337-8472
jcarden(a)uiuc.edu
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Arthur,
This is VERY timely information indeed. The 78th annual Carden family reunion
of my line in Iowa is being held this Sunday! I'll have all kinds of new
information to share at that event.
BTW- are there plans for another Carden Gathering in Cheshire? I would LOVE to
attend!
Jerry Carden
>Those following the DNA saga may be interested to know that those with a DNA
>match to the "Cheshire Carden Group" are almost certain to be descended from
>Cawardens (the Carden name did not become common until the 17th century)
>living about 1200 AD in the township of Carden near Tilston in Cheshire,
>about 5 miles in the direction of Chester from Whitchurch and only a couple
>of miles from the Welsh border which runs along the river Dee nearby. We
>held our Carden Gathering there in 1998. All descendents who visit the
>Carden Arms pub thoroughly enjoy that!
>
>Arthur
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Jerry Carden
Full time: Education Coordinator
Health Alliance Medical Plans
Part time: Visiting Lecturer, Dept. of Community Health,
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Day- 217-337-8472
jcarden(a)uiuc.edu
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