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Hi Listers,
The BYU study is in the process of gathering the information now. They will
not be able to really give any idea of where your ancestors lived for
another three years or so. They have a "frequently asked questions" sheet
at the following link. People from all over the world are encouraged to
participate in this facet of the study. "This database will be used to
track the transmission of genetic markers through time and
geography. In order for this to be successful it is necessary that
we have completed written
pedigrees of assumed relationships so that we can establish the
proper inheritance of genetic
markers. "
http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu/faq.htm
Check it out and decide if it is something you feel could assist the Carden
families as a whole group eventually.
Carrie
Hi,
I believe my James Carden b. 1815 may had been from Orange County..it really
hard to figure tho'..The Census's I have seen from that area only list the
head of house hold and the ages of other's within that home..James moved to
Sullivan County, TN, His wife was named Sarah nicknamed Sally..Their
Children were named Columbus, Mary, Elbert, and James..all born in
Blountville, TN..would love to find who James' parents were.
Carol -
If you have any Martha or Patsie Cardens running loose in your Orange County
line, please let me know. She would have been born between 1800-1815 and
married Harris/Harrison Woods. I suspect she was related to one of the
Reuban Cardens, but I can't substantiate it.
Hello to Melody,
Welcome to the North Carolina Cardens, few as we are. I can document my
Cardens in Orange County as far back as 1828. With so many of the same name
and a shortage of vital records, it is difficult to establish heritage beyond
that.
Family lore has it that our branch arrived in Orange County from Scotland.
One Carden descendant, Jim Duncan (descended from Ruth, daughter of John, son
of George) has told me of a place in Orange County, once owned by John's
grandfather, whose name no one seems to know. The property, no longer in
family hands, is said to have two unmarked graves on it.
Some of our Cardens lived in Durham, too, but the names you mentioned are not
familiar to me.
You might try the Durham-Orange Genealogy Society website:
www.rtpnet.org/~dogs and the North Carolina Genealogy Society website:
www.ncgenealogy.org .
DOGS has done a cemetery survey which is very helpful.
Good luck. And if I can be of help, just ask.
Carol Scarlett
Are any of you people of the line of Bridget Carden Jordan (Thos.) who died in Luzerne Co. Pa. in the l890s. So far I have found three by that name. One married a Kelly (N. Car. desc.) and one died as Bridget Carden, around the same time. C. Fox, in Florence, Co.
I have just had a pleasant message from Ann Turner, List Administrator of
GENEALOGY-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com, a mailing list at RootsWeb for people
interested in the potential of DNA testing for genealogy research.
You can browse past messages and join the list at
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GENEALOGY-DNA.html
I had a quick browse and found the following success story: "We now have five
tests back from Family Tree DNA. Three Glennons are a perfect match with
each other, 12 of 12 markers match. The other two are a match with each
other, 12 of 12 also. The difference between the two groups is in one marker
and the difference is one number only. It appears that we have a group of
Glennons with a common ancestor so far.
Three more tests are in the lab and two more "in the mail." Several men are
thinking it over. We are still missing some geographic places that need to
be tested."
All you Cardens in the USA could follow the example of the Glennon family.
Perhaps Family Tree DNA is cheaper than Oxford Ancestors. Meanwhile I will
try to follow the example with Cardens in UK (and Ireland, Australia, NZ).
Arthur Carden
Hello again,
I just checked out the web site that Arthur mentioned and you have to be a
direct male descendant of the Carden surname. I am not... Although, I have
an uncle who is that would certainly take this test as well. You can send
out for free information from the web site Arthur mentioned. They also have
a Matriline which tracks the Matriarch for yourself. If you have not
already checked out the website it is very interesting.
Mike
>From: "Mike C" <castron72(a)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [CARDEN-L] DNA Testing - Action
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:42:07 -0000
>
>Hello all,
>
>I would be interested in this testing as well. I would even volunteer. If
>my memory serves (since I haven't been doing genealogy lately) there are
>four main lines of Carden in America. The ones in Tennessee, North
>Carolina, Virginia and John Carden of Georgia (married in Buckingham Co.,
>VA
>and believed to be from Goochland Co., VA). I descend from the last
>mentioned. I am curious to see if all of the American Cardens descend from
>the same line and if so where they came from.
>
>As always,
>Mike
>
>
>
>>From: CardenAE1(a)cs.com
>>Reply-To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: [CARDEN-L] DNA Testing - Action
>>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:29:53 EDT
>>
>>In a message dated 22/06/01 15:07:01 GMT Daylight Time,
>>diains(a)concentric.net
>>writes:
>>
>> > I might be interested if there are enough others involved. What would
>>be
>>the
>> > basis of the test. With what line (lines) do we start with? How about
>>some
>> > more details.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Chuck Carden
>>
>>I'm delighted my posting about "Putting the genes into Genealogy" has
>>produced such a flurry on the list.
>>
>>Chuck -
>>
>>I think it is up to us in England to get tests for the three possible UK
>>lines I mentioned. If they all turn out to stem from the same source that
>>will be wonderful. If not, we will know where we stand. As soon as I
>>hear
>>from Ron, hopefully he, Fred Bateman and I will stump up the cash and and
>>go
>>ahead.
>>
>>Meanwhile perhaps you should persuade someone in USA to join you in having
>>a
>>test done (cheaper for two or more) to see if your lines are linked, and
>>in
>>due course we can compare the results with the three UK tests to see if
>>they
>>correspond to one of our three fundamental lines. Apparently Oxford
>>Ancestors explain how to compare the results.
>>
>>And other pairs of USA Cardens should do the same.
>>
>>Sorry, Beth, this is males only (you don't have a Y-chromosone I presume)
>>but
>>perhaps you can get one of your male relatives with direct Carden ancestry
>>to
>>participate. Sorry, Bud, too, as your link through a female Carden
>>disqualifies you (even if they adopt you!).
>>
>>Good fun, and may have fascinating results! The site to visit to find out
>>the basis of the test and what you have to do is
>>http://www.oxfordancestors.com/
>>
>>PS to Joan Hopkin: since this only applies to direct descendants in the
>>male
>>line, I don't think Peter qualifies. But good to hear from you anyway.
>>
>>Arthur Carden (back in UK from France on June 28th)
>>
>>
>>==== CARDEN Mailing List ====
>>Looking for great Genealogy resources? Try the host of this list!
>>http://www.roostweb.com
>>
>
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Melody -
Question for you -- have you ever heard or have any reason to suspect that
your grandfather's middle name was a "family" surname? And if it was, is
there a possibility that Flinton could have previously been Clinton?
I ask because my Orange County NC Woods line includes marriage between a
Woods and Carden/Cardin in one generation and a marriage between their son
and a Clinton in the next. Then, in 1902, there is a marriage in my
paternal line to a Flinton. What I am noticing from some cemetery records
is that there does not seem any Clintons in the area after the mid-1800s and
no Flintons before the 1860s. I'm wondering if the Flintons and Clintons
were of the same lines.
-----Original Message-----
From: mckays [mailto:mckays@mail.clis.com]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 7:17 AM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARDEN-L] DNA Testing
>>>>>>I know that my Grandfather was Norman Flinton Carden who had 9
children. The last was: Bobby Hinson Carden (my father) He lived in Durham
North Carolina for most of his life. I was given to understand that they
were first come to Orange County, N.C. when they came to these shores But
apart from that I know nothing. <<<<<<<<<<
Hello all,
I would be interested in this testing as well. I would even volunteer. If
my memory serves (since I haven't been doing genealogy lately) there are
four main lines of Carden in America. The ones in Tennessee, North
Carolina, Virginia and John Carden of Georgia (married in Buckingham Co., VA
and believed to be from Goochland Co., VA). I descend from the last
mentioned. I am curious to see if all of the American Cardens descend from
the same line and if so where they came from.
As always,
Mike
>From: CardenAE1(a)cs.com
>Reply-To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [CARDEN-L] DNA Testing - Action
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:29:53 EDT
>
>In a message dated 22/06/01 15:07:01 GMT Daylight Time,
>diains(a)concentric.net
>writes:
>
> > I might be interested if there are enough others involved. What would be
>the
> > basis of the test. With what line (lines) do we start with? How about
>some
> > more details.
> > Thanks,
> > Chuck Carden
>
>I'm delighted my posting about "Putting the genes into Genealogy" has
>produced such a flurry on the list.
>
>Chuck -
>
>I think it is up to us in England to get tests for the three possible UK
>lines I mentioned. If they all turn out to stem from the same source that
>will be wonderful. If not, we will know where we stand. As soon as I hear
>from Ron, hopefully he, Fred Bateman and I will stump up the cash and and
>go
>ahead.
>
>Meanwhile perhaps you should persuade someone in USA to join you in having
>a
>test done (cheaper for two or more) to see if your lines are linked, and in
>due course we can compare the results with the three UK tests to see if
>they
>correspond to one of our three fundamental lines. Apparently Oxford
>Ancestors explain how to compare the results.
>
>And other pairs of USA Cardens should do the same.
>
>Sorry, Beth, this is males only (you don't have a Y-chromosone I presume)
>but
>perhaps you can get one of your male relatives with direct Carden ancestry
>to
>participate. Sorry, Bud, too, as your link through a female Carden
>disqualifies you (even if they adopt you!).
>
>Good fun, and may have fascinating results! The site to visit to find out
>the basis of the test and what you have to do is
>http://www.oxfordancestors.com/
>
>PS to Joan Hopkin: since this only applies to direct descendants in the
>male
>line, I don't think Peter qualifies. But good to hear from you anyway.
>
>Arthur Carden (back in UK from France on June 28th)
>
>
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>
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Hi all,
I'd be glad to provide the Y chromosome for my sister Beth
Chris Carden
----- Original Message -----
From: Beth MacDonald
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 4:28 PM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] gender bias
Nope. No Y chromosome here...that I know of.
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I would like to know more about the 4 main lines of Cardens..is there a web
page listing, and describing national origin? My Carden's are from VA or NC
to TN.
Jan
In a message dated 22/06/01 15:07:01 GMT Daylight Time, diains(a)concentric.net
writes:
> I might be interested if there are enough others involved. What would be the
> basis of the test. With what line (lines) do we start with? How about some
> more details.
> Thanks,
> Chuck Carden
I'm delighted my posting about "Putting the genes into Genealogy" has
produced such a flurry on the list.
Chuck -
I think it is up to us in England to get tests for the three possible UK
lines I mentioned. If they all turn out to stem from the same source that
will be wonderful. If not, we will know where we stand. As soon as I hear
from Ron, hopefully he, Fred Bateman and I will stump up the cash and and go
ahead.
Meanwhile perhaps you should persuade someone in USA to join you in having a
test done (cheaper for two or more) to see if your lines are linked, and in
due course we can compare the results with the three UK tests to see if they
correspond to one of our three fundamental lines. Apparently Oxford
Ancestors explain how to compare the results.
And other pairs of USA Cardens should do the same.
Sorry, Beth, this is males only (you don't have a Y-chromosone I presume) but
perhaps you can get one of your male relatives with direct Carden ancestry to
participate. Sorry, Bud, too, as your link through a female Carden
disqualifies you (even if they adopt you!).
Good fun, and may have fascinating results! The site to visit to find out
the basis of the test and what you have to do is
http://www.oxfordancestors.com/
PS to Joan Hopkin: since this only applies to direct descendants in the male
line, I don't think Peter qualifies. But good to hear from you anyway.
Arthur Carden (back in UK from France on June 28th)
Hello Arthur, Bud and All,
With regard to DNA Testing, I have to report that Fred is cautiously interested. It would depend on sufficient suitable donors to make it worthwhile paying the fee for this experiment into Carden branch relationships. Great idea though, and bound to be used more and more with so much interest in genealogy.
Bud, Fred and I have long considered you and Joanne as part of our family, but we will happily share you with Beth. Isn't it nice to be wanted. :-)
Best wishes to all,
Lynn in Liverpool
Hi Melody: Welcome to the clan. I am researching the CARDEN name as my
hustband's grandmother was a Carden , she was from Wales. I was able to
contact Arthur Carden in the U.K. who has been organising the details and,
at present I understand, is compling the tree for the Irish Cardens. The
Welsh group he expects to complete next year. I obtained a booklet through
him of the Carden Gathering in 1998 in which there is data on the name going
back to the thirteen century.
I think you might be able to communicate with him on the Carden mailing
list archives:-
http//archive.rootsweb.com/th/read/CARDEN/1999-04/0925529163.
I understand that Chuck Carden is very knowledgeable about the name. I
think you might also find his name on the archives. I know that there are
a lot of Cardens in the N.C. and Tennessee areas. If you have any trouble
in communicating with either of these men, please do not hestitate to
contact me. I am sure I have more data amongst all of my papers.
Happy hunting. Joan M. Hopkin
----- Original Message -----
From: "mckays" <mckays(a)mail.clis.com>
To: <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CARDEN-L] DNA Testing
> Hello,
> My name is Melody Carden and I wish greatly to know and understand my
> heritage. I am afraid I know little to nothing about who I am or from
whence
> I came. I know that my Grandfather was Norman Flinton Carden who had 9
> children. The last was: Bobby Hinson Carden (my father) He lived in Durham
> North Carolina for most of his life. I was given to understand that they
> were first come to Orange County, N.C. when they came to these shores But
> apart from that I know nothing. Can anyone help me at all? Even to give me
> an understanding on exactly where the Carden line derived and what is the
> most historical understanding of what they did and how they lived.
>
> My own family lived rather like gypsies as my father seemed to live under
a
> "wandering star" that carried him mostly into the East Tennessee Mtns. and
> would never release him although I am unaware of any other extended family
> ever having lived there other than us and I was never given much knowledge
> of what we were about and who I belonged to. We finally came back to the
> Durham, N.C. area and there I remained until I married.
> I guess I am searching for ME.
> Can you help?
> I am really more interested in the early historical data then the American
> data.
> Any help at all would be received with gratefulness.
> Thank you,
> Melody Carden (McKay)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynn Bateman <bateman1(a)cableinet.co.uk>
> To: <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [CARDEN-L] DNA Testing
>
>
> > Hello Arthur, Bud and All,
> >
> > With regard to DNA Testing, I have to report that Fred is cautiously
> interested. It would depend on sufficient suitable donors to make it
> worthwhile paying the fee for this experiment into Carden branch
> relationships. Great idea though, and bound to be used more and more
with
> so much interest in genealogy.
> >
> > Bud, Fred and I have long considered you and Joanne as part of our
family,
> but we will happily share you with Beth. Isn't it nice to be wanted.
:-)
> >
> > Best wishes to all,
> > Lynn in Liverpool
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Hi Jan,
I think we must have a case of mistaken identity. I just checked and
double checked my file and I don't have any people with the surname
Cross. Don't have any Tinsleys either. If you solve the mystery, let
me know!
Beth
Forgive me, I just want to interrupt you for just a note..I had talked
to
Beth a very long time ago, it was funny, because I just knew I had
connections to her Cardens, and I was very persistent and insistent,
lol....
My James Carden b 1816 indicated on The 1850 Sullivan County, TN
Census..that
he was born in NC..never have found who his parent were..then on the
1880
census he states he was from VA.....Beth, if my memory serve me well,
you
also had Cross Family Connection..one in particular, Dora Cross
Carden..I
found her grave in Gunnings Cem., Sullivan County, TN....Dora was the
daughter of TJ Cross, brother to my John Franklin Cross b. 1845 who's
son
David Cross b. 1871 married (Anna) Nannie Carden..Nannie's uncle,
Columbus
(Lum) Carden b. 1844 married several times and including 2 Cross women,
Catherine b. 1847 d\o Thomas Jones and Martha Wright., Parents of my
John F.
Cross, and Mattie b.1873, sister to my David Cross, .. and a couple
other
marriages..my question's are, who is Dora Cross's husband's, Nicholas
Carden's father? Lum? Lum is buried by Dora and Nicholus. And who are
old man
James Carden's parents?
Dear Bud and Beth,
Forgive me, I just want to interrupt you for just a note..I had talked to
Beth a very long time ago, it was funny, because I just knew I had
connections to her Cardens, and I was very persistent and insistent, lol....
My James Carden b 1816 indicated on The 1850 Sullivan County, TN Census..that
he was born in NC..never have found who his parent were..then on the 1880
census he states he was from VA.....Beth, if my memory serve me well, you
also had Cross Family Connection..one in particular, Dora Cross Carden..I
found her grave in Gunnings Cem., Sullivan County, TN....Dora was the
daughter of TJ Cross, brother to my John Franklin Cross b. 1845 who's son
David Cross b. 1871 married (Anna) Nannie Carden..Nannie's uncle, Columbus
(Lum) Carden b. 1844 married several times and including 2 Cross women,
Catherine b. 1847 d\o Thomas Jones and Martha Wright., Parents of my John F.
Cross, and Mattie b.1873, sister to my David Cross, .. and a couple other
marriages..my question's are, who is Dora Cross's husband's, Nicholas
Carden's father? Lum? Lum is buried by Dora and Nicholus. And who are old man
James Carden's parents? I hope you can help me, and please excuse me for just
butting in. Hope I didn't break any rules. Sorry to interrupt your adoption,
Bud..lol...
Jan
Dear Arthur,
Thank you for mentioning me in your memo re genetic testing. I am also honored that you consider me a part of the Carden Clan; or at least one of it's branches. However, as to genetic testing, since it was my great grandmother's sister who married a James Carden of Ballina I am only connected to Cardens by marriage and not a Carden descendant. As such I don't see what benefit there would be for me to be tested. If there is please let me know.
Having said the above I do know of a lady who's maiden name was Carden and who
is a Ballina Carden descendant. Additionally, I have two cousins in the east, NY and So.Carolina, who descend from James Carden of Ballina whom I could approach to see if they would like to be tested. That would be interesting.
Since I was very close to my paternal grandmother and the family often spoke of James Carden, I feel close and very interested in the Carden Genealogy.
It seems to me that a very interesting start would be to find out from which of the seven sisters I am descended from.
I don't understand all the ramifications of DNA testing but it certainly seems like the next great event in genealogy. I saw on TV that the entire country of Iceland can now trace their family trees back to the first immigrant to Iceland-fantastic.
It is posible that I could get Lynn and Fred Bateman to adopt me -would that help?.
Bud [Burge]