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I have this book in my family. And it gives no supporting documentation.
It is family oral history. I just have a problem connecting the three as
brothers without some proof - a will where they are listed, a property deed,
something. Granted, the names of the children hint at a connection, but
that could be because of a family relationship other than brothers, i.e.,
cousins. I know there were William and Randolph descendents in Russell Co.
My grandfather, James Edward Carden, went to the Seale, Hatchechubbee and
surrounding community to visit cousins. The names I was given are from
both the Randolph line and the William line. However, I don't know of any
Benjamin descendents in the area, therefore, I can not make the assumption
that Benjamin was a brother for certain. Of course, since the Randolph and
William line intermarried, it does put a slightly different slant on whether
the cousins were a result of the marriage or if it was just a double first
cousin situation.
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From: "Bobbie Cardin" <bobbie.cardin(a)gte.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:11 AM
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Russell County Cardins..
> Chuck: You have just quoted, almost word for word, the article that was
found in
> the Russell County book on these three brothers. (This was a copyrighted
article
> that said it could not be reproduced or copied in any form or by any
means -
> graphic, electronic, or _______)I didn't copy the last word or sentence.
The
> contents of the whole "The History of Russell County, Alabama"book
published
> by National ShareGraphics, Inc. of Dallas, Texas is copyrighted, per the
book,
> in 1982. Bobbie
>
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I haven't read through the whole document - yet. Thanks.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 6:52 PM
Subject: [CARDEN-L] RE: Benjamin Carden
> Hi Margaret,
> The attachment I have has information on the murder of Benjamin Carden.
> I can't remember did I send that to you?
>
> I have heard from someone that is a descendant of the Benjamin that was
> murdered. I don't know if this person is on the list or not!
>
> Becky Carden
>
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Becky, Russell Co Genealogical Society has published a book with all of the
Cemetaries and the enternments at each taken from the markers. Also
included is a diagram of each cemtary. It is not 100% inclusive; however,
it is extensive and list two Carden cemetaries, one private and one public.
My copy of the book was purchased from the Library in Phenix City. You
can contact them if you wish to purchase a copy.
The person who compiled the list of the Carden Cemetary that is public is
Phylis W. East, who also compiled the book.
Those Indian names are quite unique. Chattahoochee, Oswichee, Hatchubbee,
they just roll off your tongue. M.
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Subject: [CARDEN-L] RE: Carden Cemetery
> I have found that there is a Carden cemetery at Hatachachubbee! Does
> anyone have any info on where it is located?
>
> Don't you just love these Alabama names? LOL
>
> Becky Carden
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Hi Margaret,
The attachment I have has information on the murder of Benjamin Carden.
I can't remember did I send that to you?
I have heard from someone that is a descendant of the Benjamin that was
murdered. I don't know if this person is on the list or not!
Becky Carden
I have found that there is a Carden cemetery at Hatachachubbee! Does
anyone have any info on where it is located?
Don't you just love these Alabama names? LOL
Becky Carden
A little more.
Chuck
Randolph Carden, born 1813 in Russell County, GA. He Married Elizabeth
Thompson, born Greene County, GA, on 24 Dec 1834 in Putnam Co. GA. She was
the daughter of Mathew Thompson and Lydia Goldsby (possibly could have been
Goolsby).
1. Samuel Carden born 1836 in GA (married Joicy Ann Chadwick 11 Mar 1862)
2. James M. Carden born 30 July 1838 in GA died 8 Sept 1916 married Edna Ann
Francis Chadwick 25 Feb 1858
3. Mary Carden born 1840 in Russell Co. AL
4. William Thomas Carden born 1842 Russell Co AL. married Sara Sandlen
Truman 24 Dec 1865. (married Rebecca Chadwick 31 Dec 1882) (Moved to Poteau,
Leflore County, OK. Had son Jesse Randall, born Saulligent, Lamar County,
AL, married Allie Edwards. Jesse died in Poteau, but was buried at
Sulligent).
5. JohnCarden born 1844 Russell Co AL
6. Sarah Carden born 1846 in Russell Co. AL
7. David Carden born 1850 in Russell Co. AL (married Sarah Thompson 8 Feb
1872)
8. Henry Carden born 1853 in Russell Co. AL (married Sarah Bush 22 Oct 1874)
(married Elizabeth Chadwick 29 May 1882)
9. Martha Carden born 1854 in Russell Co. AL
Randolph parents are unknown, but he come to Alabama along with his two
brothers William and Benjamin and settled in Russell Co. near a Seale (this
town is still there). (William was married to Sarah M. Thompson on 12 June
1834)
Thought someone might be interested in the below information.
Chuck
In 1837 Two Carden brothers living in Jasper County, Ga. heard about land
being for sale by the government for fifty cents an acre in Russell County.
These two brothers names were Benjamin and William Carden; who helped
organize a wagon train. The train master was Oglethorpe (Whom the Oglethorpe
Bridge was later named after) because this was the first wagon train to ever
cross the Chattahoochee River.
Benjamin and his wife Elizabeth later had two girls, named Adaline and Sara.
William and his wife Sara had two boys named John and Matthew.
The wagon train was long and going south from Phenix City, when it reached
Fort Mitchell, John, son of William and Sara, died; they buried him near
Fort Mitchell and William and Sara decided to buy land there and be close to
the ground where their son had been buried.
Benjamin and his wife Elizabeth traveled on tho near Seale, about half way
between Seale and Hatchechubbee. Here they homesteaded two hundred acres and
had four more girls and two more boys named Rebecca, Eliza, Julia, and
Susan, Benjamin 11, and William got his name from his brother. William and
Sara homesteaded near Fort Mitchell and his seven more children, five girls
and two boys, named Mary, Elizabeth, Nancy, Sarah, and Martha, the boys
names were William and James, these were still family names.
Two years after the first wagon train mastered by Oglethorpe another train
came to Russell County from several counties in Georgia, these were Henry,
Jasper, Putnam and Meriwether counties.
With this wagon train came another Carden brother. His name was Randolph
Carden, he was married to his brother William's wife's sister, whose name
also was Elizabeth. There wasn't much more land to be bought now, but some
five miles from Seale, going toward Marvin, Alabama, a few hundred acres
could still be bought for fifty cents an acre.
This place which is still in the Carden family is five miles northwest of
Seale, a wild, almost unknown forest country. This is part of Russell County
that has remained much the same as it was before the white man homesteaded
it. Randolph Carden and his wife Elizabeth Thompson Carden had five boys and
two girls, there were only two boys when they left Georgia, their names were
Samuel and James. Then three now were born near Seale, William, John, and
David; two girls also born near Seale, Mary and Sara.
James M. Carden, second son of Randolph was my great?grandfather and since
the wagon master John Gallop had homesteaded near the Cardens, they were
always helping each other out in clearing new ground.
Most everything that these people ate was grown on the land they lived on.
This was a thickly wooded area for miles from Seale on the old Hatchchubbee
road turn right toward Marvin go three miles, yield right and go one mile,
this land had to have lot of work on it. Men gathered and helped each other
clear the land for farming. There were still some Indians left around in
small groups. The Cardens got along real fine with the Indians.
James M. Carden had four boys and two girls, who were William, Henry, and
Matthew, Robert Lu, Mallie, Mattie and Sallie.
Henry D. Carden, my grandfather married Zela Mate Williams, (she had been
married before to a Mr. Williams and had a daughter Mary, she was four days
old when her father died;) later marrying Henry D. Carden and had one more
girl Sallie and four boys, John, Alexander, George, and William. William
died as a baby and Alexander being my father was left without a father when
he was only a small boy and without a mother when he was twelve, but the
oldest Carden girl Sallie was left in charge of everything to bring the
children up and give the boys at least one year's education.
The two older boys, Johnny and Alexander went to school even though they had
to walk five miles. Johnny soon dropped out to help on the farm and
Alexander and George went only a few years, never finished grammar school
because they had to work on the farm. Alexander, my father soon met Mildred
Gertrude Jackson at a party one night and fell in love at first sight.
There were four hills with five-acre sides. The home place, which was left
to Sally if she finished raising the boys. This homesteaded place was on one
hill and surrounded with 40 acres. The three boys was left one hill
surrounding 40 acres each. Part of this was cultivated ? part in
pastureland. The older son Johnny and his wife Artice lived in a home on
their 40 acres and farmed until later getting a job in Columbus Mills. They
had two girls and one boy, Henry, Sara, and Lena May. Alexander and his wife
Gertrude built a home east of the home place and had seven children, six
girls and one boy, which two will tell more about later because I was one of
those six girls.
George married and he and his wife Elba built a home north of the old home
place on his 40 acre hill and had two children, Louise, a girl and George
Jr., a boy.
Now the six girls of Alexander and Gertrude were, France Viola, Mildred
Catherine, Evelyn Roberta, Ruley Edna, Martis Virginia, and Shirley Jean,
one boy Mitchell Stephen.
For thirty years Alexander kept his 40 acres his mother and father left him,
but times were hard for them from 1926 until 1938 he farmed during this time
new saw mills became very famous, while visiting a mill one day he asked for
a part time job. Alexander hired another man, Zebbidee Gallops, to help on
the farm. Zebbidee lived and worked on the farm for $8.00 a month. He also
was a greatgrandson of the wagon master of the second wagon train, John
Gallops. The farm provided all the food this family ate; there were two
large barns, at least one good milk cow at all times. One steer, male cow
that plowed the fields and hauled the wood up for the winter. There were 30
or 35 chickens, old and young, most all the time; also, from five to eight
pigs, sows and hogs which from these the meat was prepared for the tables.
Mother Gertrude had a winter and summer garden; also a spring and fall
garden created with these two. There was a four foot (well) spring down at
the branch where we also had our wash place, two large tubs and one large
wash pot. We washed our clothes automatically; that is, each Monday we first
automatically started a fire under the wash pot to heat the water and with a
scrub board and washtubs ready we started scrubbing the clothes. White
clothes were always washed first, our best Sunday clothes next and then last
the dirtiest clothes, which were usually work clothes, and play clothes.
Our automatic drier was a 25-foot long clothesline; half way up the hill
which we automatically hung sheets on and spread the larger things including
Sunday clothes, bed spreads. The short bushes like huckleberry bushes were
used to automatically dry small things. During the summer time these clothes
would dry in the house, but during the winter months, mother sometimes, when
it rained, put them by the f ire place to dry with several layers of clothes
on the backs of chairs, but we always had clean clothes to wear seven days a
week. ?
Now since we lived a mile off the main road, the school bus could not come
to our house to take us to school. With cold winters and the sicknesses,
small children attended school as mother saw fit. School wasn't the only
thing that made this rural life hard on anyone living in this period. The
mail also could not be delivered to our house because of our remote
position. There was a mailbox up on the main road for every family who lived
on the Carden plantation. There was joy in the house every time the Seale
Paper, or the Russel Register which came on Fridays and occasionally a
letter would come from mother's sister as well. Since she only got to see
her once a year or so.
During the summer one of mothers sisters would come and bring her seven
children. My aunt and my mother would prepare three meals a day for
seventeen people daily; with things raised in the garden and the smoke
house, where hog meat had been cured and packed in salt to preserve it.
There was an abundant supply of jellies and other food that would be canned
and put on the shelf until it was needed. While my aunt visited us each
summer one could see the children growing up in front of ones eyes. My aunt
kept mother company most of the summer because father worked away from home
during the week and came home only on the weekends, so he had the only car
which was a Model?T, he loved his car.
We had a nice way of refrigerating the milk, which began down at the wash
place in the spring which had a terra cotta pipe that was 18 inches in
diameter. The milk was carried by one of the dependable children down to the
spring and tied to a tree with only the rope, and the jug's cork sticking
out of the water. The jug was lowered into the water just underneath the
top. The cork stopper was there so if the weather got too warm, the stopper
would come up a little to relieve the pressure the change of weather exerted
on the jug, but when summer time came, the children could hardly wait to get
a good icy cold glass of milk along with a piece of cornbread. Most of the
time we had some strick?of?lean meat or some vegetables that were grown in
our garden, we had onions almost all year round.
One-day daddy came home and told Mother, we had to sell old Cora, our white
Gunga milk cow. She had been with us fifteen years and all of us cried. My
Uncle, one of Mother's Sister's Husbands had a butcher pin near Phenix City
and when we saw him drive up and load old Cora on and drove slowly up the
hill towards Seale, we really cried. We had drank her milk so long and
didn't want to see her go. I know it was hard for my Momma and Daddy seeing
us cry. But Daddy soon bought or traded for another cow. This one was called
Old Blue and she stayed in the family a long, long time.
Daddy's job moved so far away we had to rent our farm and move with his?
Work. This did not work but one year, we moved back to Seale and made plans
to sell. Daddy's sister still had the old home place, which was just over
the hill to visit. We did not own it, but Aunt Sally did and that was good
enough for us. She always was glad to see us and we felt like it was ours
too. It has been in the Carden family for one hundred and forty some years.
Aunt Sally left it to her only son Daniel and when he passed away a few
years ago he left it to his son Daniel, Jr. Now at least one half? Of the
land that Randolph and Elizabeth Carden homesteaded in 1837 is still in the
family, only it's the sixth generation.
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From: Bobbie Cardin [mailto:bobbie.cardin@gte.net]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2893 4:44 PM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Benjamin Carden
Benjamin Carden and his wife Elizabeth are said to have homesteaded two
hundred acres
half way between Seale, Alabama and Hatchechubbee, Alabama so they should be
on
the 1850 Russell County Alabama census. Please bear in mind, that a lot of
people
were left off the census for various reasons. I have found this a lot in my
research,
especially in Clarke County Mississippi where many people were left off the
census
there proven by legal records. Bobbie
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Hello all,
At one time I had my Benjamin married to Elizabeth Scrougs although, I think
that was in error. I have not found any documentation supporting that and I
have removed that information from my database. I think the three brothers
could very well be sons of William Carden in Jasper Co., Georgia. I have
not made a connection from my John Carden to William Carden but, I feel
there is one. Also, Cartha Jane should be Catherine Jane Carden. I think
William and John may be brothers and there father may be David. I believe
that John's son Benjamin was named after Catherine's father Benjamin Davis.
I still need to do research on this. Also, John Sr. second wife was
Elizabeth ? and I believe happened around 1840 and he had a daughter named
Eliza circa 1842.
As always,
Mike
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>To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [CARDEN-L] RE: One more time
>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:18:38 -0500
>
>Everyone, bear with me on this. I want to go over this one more time!
>
>1. We have these three brothers, William, Benjamin, and Randolph Carden
>in Russell Co. Al.
>
>2. We have Benjamin Carden, married to an Elizabeth Scrougs, right?
>
>3. We have Benjamin Carden, married to Elizabeth Scrougs, as the son of
>John Carden Sr., born in 1770 Va. Correct?
>
>4. Now if we have Benjamin as the son of John Carden Sr., then wouldn't
>William and Randolph, also be John Carden's Sr.'s sons also if they are
>brothers to Benjamin?
>
>Does anyone see a connection here?
>
>Becky Carden
>
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Steve,
Thank you for all this information!! I appreciate it very much, and
like I said the plot seems to have thickened!!
I agree, I believe my O.H.R. or Owen belongs to this Pike Co. group,
somewhere! Since he bought land from Andrew Jackson Carden, and is
living close to them, I just know he has to connect to them somehow!
I still wonder since I do have a paper that states that the John Carden
Sr. born in Va., possibly had other children that were not listed, if
O.H.R. could have been his son?
I'm going to have to study over this, and digest it!
Steve, no need to apologize at all!!
Thanks so much, Becky Carden
First let me apologize to the list in general and Becky in particular
for my flippant reply to Becky's request for opinions. There was no
excuse. I also misspoke. I believe Randolph and William of Russell Co
to be sons of James CARDEN and grandsons of William CARDEN of Jasper Co
GA.
I make no claims to be a CARDEN researcher. Most of what I have is a
regurgitation of research by Mike Collins and Chuck Carden.
There seems to have been two different CARDEN families in Jasper Co GA.
One is John CARDEN, ancestor of Mike Collins; and the other is William
CARDEN. John CARDEN came down from Goochland Co VA. William CARDEN
came from Wake Co NC by way of Oglethorpe Co GA. Whether or not they
were related remains to be seen.
It was the John CARDEN branch that moved on to Pike Co GA. Becky, I
believe your Owen CARDEN belongs to this branch.
The 1820 census of Jasper Co GA shows Wm CARDEN age 45+, female age 45+,
and a male age 10-16. Nearby is James CARDEN age 26-45. Four other
males in his household age 0-10. Other CARDENs in Jasper Co are John
age 26-45 and David age 16-26. John has males 0-10, 10-16, 16-18,
16-26. The male(s) age 16-18 and 16-26 may or may not be the same
individual depending on rather the census taker followed instructions.
(they should be the same). No other males in David's household.
William CARDEN died in Jasper Co GA in 1824. The estate was
administered by James CARDEN and James GOOLSBY. James GOOLSBY married
Elizabeth CARDEN in 1797 in Oglethorpe Co. Elizabeth was either a
daughter of William or possibly a younger sister or possibly ...
The GOOLSBY connection is one of the reasons I believe the Russell Co
CARDENs belong to this family. Randolph and William married THOMPSON
sisters. Their mother was a GOOLSBY. There is however some uncertainty
here about whether she was a GOOLSBY or a GOLDSBY or some other
variation.
Per the Chuck Carden census webpage the 1830 census of Jasper Co shows a
James CARDEN age 40-50 with 2m(5-10), 2m(10-15), 1m(15-20). This I
believe to be the same James CARDEN of the 1820 census and the son of
William who died in 1824. There is also a James CARDEN in Henry Co. He
is probably the 'J' CARDEN shown in the 1850 Henry Co census as age 60
born Virginia. I do not believe he is the son of William.
Is William or Randolph one of males 15-20 or 10-15 in the Jasper Co
household? Who are the others?
In 1840 there is a James CARDEN age 60-70 in Meriwether Co GA. Despite
the age discrepancy, I believe this to be James of 1830 Jasper Co. In
his household are 2m(15-20) and 1m(20-30). Also 1f(0-5) and 1f(40-50).
Also in Meriwether Co is Randolph CARDEN. I'm relying on Chuck Cardens
webpage for this, and his census extractions for 1840 do not give page
number or line number. I do not have any idea how close or far apart
James and Randolph are. Where is William in 1840? He and Sarah and a
couple of their kids need to be living somewhere. Are they on the 1840
Russell Co AL census?
Based on the 1850 and 1860 censuses it appears that James' wife was
named Elizabeth and that they had sons (in addition to Randolph and
William?) Martin, Elisha, and Charles. Elizabeth is probably the
Elizabeth TILLERY who married a James CARDEN in 1807 in Oglethorpe Co.
Becky, back in January you asked about an Elisha and a Martin. These are
probably them.
Now I need some help. William and Randolph married sisters and in the
1850 census they are living next door to each other. I have no problem
believing they are brothers. But what about Benjamin? Is he in the
1850 Russell Co census? Where? I've seen a message over on GenForum
stating that he is in Russell Co in 1850, but Chuck doesn't show him.
>From researching some other lines I know parts of the 1850 Russell Co
are very difficult to read. Is there anything but the Russell County
Heritage Book that points to Benjamin being a brother?
To sum up, I believe William and Randolph to be sons of James CARDEN and
that James was the son of William CARDEN. Benjamin, I don't know about.
Steve
--
Bobbie...what is the best way to obtain a copy of this article??
Our family is having a big reunion Thanksgiving and my brother Ron is
leaving early to spend some time in north Alabama doing some in-depth
research. Is there a library or historical society that might have a copy?
Have been following the recent activity with interest...Carrie...don't know
if we have any connections for you...but please do check the information on
our website. There is a good bit of information to search through.
Regards to all!
Cathy Thompson
www.lightpatch.com
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From: "Bobbie Cardin" <bobbie.cardin(a)gte.net>
To: <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:32 AM
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Cardins from Russell County.
> Rebecca, just wanted to say that the information on the three brothers
from Russell
> County was given by a descendent. Descendents still live on the original
land that
> was owned by at least one of these three brothers. The article includes
much
> information and pictures of the Cardin family. Anyone researching this
branch
> of the family definitely should get a copy of the article. Bobbie in
Louisiana
>
>
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From: Bud Burge
To: ; CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com ;
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:45 PM
Subject: SPANISH
In Spanish the following is from my dictionary:
Cardeno, Cardena -plural =Cardenos[as] means livid or of a dark purple color.
Bud
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Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CARDEN-L] Besses o' th' Barn
> Hi Arthur et All,
>
> I feel a bit dispossessed that my Cardens who were in Sligo/Mayo may not
be
> Cardens simply because they may have been of a Spanish tribe. I wannabe a
> Carden!!! OH well; a rose by any other name would still be a rose.
>
> My Cardens may have connections to the townland of Carrowmore in Mayo
> near Ballina. But, that is not Carrowcarden.
>
> Perhaps we can take up a collection to get the DNA testing started.
> [Someday].
>
> All tongue in cheek please.
>
> Bud
>
Carrie,
Thanks I'll keep that in mind. I don't think its that up to date
though. I'll check it out, and see how up to date it is, but I really
don't think there's a problem with it.
I appreciate your thoughts!
Becky Carden
Bobbi,
Thanks for the information. I wish I could see the pictures! On the
attachment that I was sent there wasn't any pictures included!
I'm going to have to check at the library here in Anniston, and see if
they may have a copy of the book!
I may go down there before too long, and I would love to see where they
lived!
Becky Carden
Hi first posting since I found the list. I'm searching for information on
Thomas B. Carden, born in Anderson AL. Little is known about his birth
family,other than he was stolen by gypsies as a young boy about 3-4 and when
the gypsies came back through the town 6-7 years later, young Tom was
recognized and returned to his parents. Evidently young Tom didn't remember
this family and continued to run away. Then he arrived in San Blas Florida
( Now Tyndal AFB, Panama City FL)with his wife, Christine L. Carden in a
small boat. Tom and his three sons herded cattle from Florida to Alabama
while Christine and daughters ran a store. Richard Ivy Carden ( oldest son)
born Geneva, Alabama Feb 27, 1887, William Ira Carden born June 10,1896 in
Point Washington, Florida; Alexander (called Candy) born Sept. 30, 1899 most
likely in San Blas ( found a midwife who delivered some of tom's and
christine's children, They also had 2 daughters Le Olla and Vi Olla.
Richard maried Lucy and had my grandmother (Freda Maude Lou Ollie Carden)
and my step grandmother (Cora Everlie Carden). My query is who were Tom's
parents and where did he come from? Where are they now? Any of this ring a
bell with any other Carden families? Darla
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Hi Becky,
One caution, if I may, on the Three Carden Brothers information that you
have, do keep in mind the privacy of those that may be listed that are
living. I and my siblings don't share the same zeal in the family history
department, and they would be less than impressed to know that their
information was bouncing across the airwaves.
Not trying to offend here, indeed! trying to keep from it!!!
Carrie
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From: Rebecca Carden [mailto:rec@hiwaay.net]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:22 PM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] RE: Russell Co. Cardens
Margaret,
Thank you very much for your kind response!
All I know is that I have this info on the three Carden brothers in
Russell Co. Al, and it states that Benjamin was married to Elizabeth
Scrougs!
Then I have more info, which is Mike Collins line I believe, and it
states Benjamin was the son of John Carden Sr., and he was married to an
Elizabeth Scrougs.
So it seems logical to me, that if Benjamin is the son of John Carden
Sr., and he is brother to William and Randolph, that they are also the
sons of John Carden Sr.!
I would be more than happy to send the attachment of the three brothers
to anyone that would like to see it. I think you can see the other info
on Mike Collins webpage!
This is very exciting to me!! Hope it is to others!
Becky Carden
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I think it was either the list here or the genforum Carden board. Sorry I
can't be more certain.
Carrie
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Leslie [mailto:TLESLIE@VHA.COM]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:52 PM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [CARDEN-L] Cardens from the UK - Circa 1615
Hi Carrie! Thanks for asking. Oh yes, it's a match. I've been speaking with
Becky Carden, etal about that family. That takes me another generation back
than I had, which is always exciting! But, as you mention, Elijah hasn't
been confirmed as a son of Benjamin.
What other mailing list did you see this family being discussed on?
Yours aye,
Tim
>>> "Carrie Bench" <kellybench(a)mcsi.net> 11/11/00 09:36PM >>>
Hi Tim,
There was some discussion recently on a list that I belong to concerning an
"Elijah Carden, possible son of Benjamin Carden that lived in Russell Co.,
Alabama, but was born in Georgia. Benj. married Elizabeth Scrougs.
There is also a Julia Ann Carden m. George Herring 5 Apr 1866. This
marriage is listed in the Russell Co., Marriages. The marriage bond was
signed by a David Carden. I have her listed as a daughter of the same
Benjamin and Elizabeth. In the census I find an Eliza listed as a daughter
on one decade and a son another decade. I'm wondering if your Elijah could
be a possible match?
Carrie
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Leslie [mailto:TLESLIE@VHA.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:09 AM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Cardens from the UK - Circa 1615
Hi, Francis! Well, I'm sure everybody on the list would be very interested
in you Posting whatever you've got!
I'm afraid I don't have much to contribute to the knowledge-pool; my
oldest-known Carden grandfather was Elijah Carden, b.20 MAY 1838, d.22 JUN
1893, m.Suzanne Rebecca Sara Elizabeth Adeline Heron, b.26 JUL 1838, d.6 AUG
1900. They lived and died in Coosa County, Alabama, and I have very little
info on them, other than that.
I have a large portion of my data available online at timleslie.com. My
theory is that the more information I make available, the more chance of a
cousin coming by and finding a link. I've only been pursuing genealogy for a
little more than a year, but have met a good half dozen cousins around the
country, and a few of them have shared photos of grandparents that I'd never
have seen otherwise, as well as a huge amount of pure data. It's been a very
exciting year for me. Hurray for the internet! Will keep tabs on your site.
And good luck to all, in your hunting!
Yours aye,
Timothy Wayne Leslie
Fort Worth, TX
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Hi everyone,
I was just looking at the info on the three Carden brothers in Russell
Co.
The information that I have came from the History Of Russell Co. Al, by
Russell Country Historical Commission, from the Shreve Memorial Library
in Shreveport, La., my former hometown!
Becky Carden
Hello Arthur and fellow listers,
I may have missed prior e-mails, but I am curious. Have you found a
connection between Carden and Cardenas?
You have to know that you add so much interest to this list. We do so
appreciate all you knowledge and efforts to inform. Keep up the good work.
I used to search geneology books in college searching for my name and so many
people told me it could not possibly be English. Ha. I loove English
accents.
Norma Carden Reynolds, Arlington, Tx