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Aren't you afraid he'll think I'm too forward?
Beth
Thor wrote:
You
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth MacDonald [mailto:bmacd@dmci.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 1:28 PM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Thor and Jim
So which one of you guys is going to email cousin Gary and tell
him the
good news that he has lots of cousins out here in cyberspace?
Beth
Sign this guy up! He looks like great entertainment!
Jim Poore
At 09:04 AM 7/13/99 -0600, Thor Carden wrote:
>This guy has to be one of us!
>http://jackson.main.nc.us/~gcarden/index.html
>
>
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>
>
For those who missed it, Arthur (of the English Arthurs) hosted a wonderful
gathering at Cheshire last fall. If he ever plans a picnic, I'll certainly
make every effort to attend, and he can talk about anything he likes.
Don't you agree, Chuck?
Carol
HI,
If you received a mail speaking of the Chilcoat surname and an overly
large attachment; it was sent in error. Please accept my apology and
condolenses. I am sorry if it was an inconvenience.
Bud Burge
As long as he doesn't actually put on a red coat and take up arms
when he comes over here he is safe from me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth MacDonald [mailto:bmacd@dmci.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:55 PM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] arthur
Don't shut up! We like you when you're irreverant....we'll
protect you
from Thor.
Beth
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I recently came across this web page in my searches...and I just knew I
would find our Carden/in/on's there...but I didn't. Some of you might like
to take a look and see if we might want to pool our information and think
about a posting. It would take a good deal of work and coordination, but I
feel it would be something we could all collaborate on.
http://www.willowbend.net/aons.htm
Will be looking forward to your replies.
Cathy
Arthur,
I guess you would also consider Magna Carta a disaster. After
all, it was the first step towards liberty.
Why is it that Japan and England still have a king/emperor? Is
there something about living on an island that keeps ya'll
backward?
Thor Carden in Nashville, Tennessee
-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Carden [mailto:Arthur.Carden@btinternet.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 12:14 PM
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Fouth of July
Beth - what's all this about the fourth of July holiday? It's
only you lot
who celebrate disasters! The French will be celebrating the
battle of
Waterloo next!
.
Arthur Carden from Cornwall, England
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HI ALL
Sorry ,but I have an E-Mail Change it is very slight VLP52(a)aol.com
Just the 2 is different.
Thanks
Lynn
P.S. Please reply so I will know you received it
Norma Reynolds wrote:
>
> To those of you who did not hear, during worship services Sunday evening
> Ed had a memory lapse of about 20 minutes. During that time and all the
> way to the hospital in my car, he was having double vision. Cat scan
> revealed no damage. Double vision ceased and memory of before and after
> the lapse is good. Tests showed minor strength loss, believed to be
> temporary. It is believed that he had a TIA-transcient ischemic (sp)
> attack. No paralysis, but is sometimes a precursor to a major stroke.
> He is in room 2103 for observation and pending results of an ultrasound
> on his carotid arteries to be done at 7 or 8 this morning. The attack
> could also have been a result of a malfunction of arteries in brain. I
> have been noticing some problems with his memory lately. Anyway he was
> alert and in good spirits when I left about 30 minutes ago, yet worrying
> that I would not get enough rest. During the lapse he talked and made
> sense, but he does not remember anything that happened. The last he
> remembered was singing a song and there had been a prayer and the sermon
> was in progress when we got him to get up and go out to the car. I had
> gotten up and made four phone calls and waited several minutes for a
> response from my cardiologist who is in the same office as Ed's who is
> on vacation.
> Well, we do covet your prayers and are thankful that it looks like time
> was on our side yesterday. For those of you at worship, at the check-in
> he asked me why I did not wait to bring him until after the ice cream
> supper. He kept everyone who came into his room entertained with his
> spunky comments. He thought several times that he would get to come
> home for the night, but the doctor had told me earlier that they would
> most likely keep him overnight. You would not believe how busy that ER
> was tonight, so we are lucky that it was not more serious in more than
> one respect.
> Please remember him in your prayers and know that he is in good hands.
> He was proud of me for not being hysterical. (He was so groggy, he did
> not realize that I ran at least two red lights and several cautions
> going up to 60 mph up Cooper Street from 303 to Abram. At Division
> there was a close call which caused me to take more care as we were now
> within seconds of the ER. I am so thankful for God's watchful hand in
> all this. Not a patrol car in sight when I needed one. I have heard
> that in case of stroke minutes count so I was doing my best to shave
> off a few from our trip. I hope everyone has a good day. I hope I can
> sleep, but I feel calm at the moment and know I have a busy day
> tomorrow.
> Love to all, Norma (Oma)
Just got home and read your note. Know how bad you feel. Wish I could
tell you something to cheer you up. Mother has TIA's about 7 a week.
It is a way of life for her, but she is still here so hope for the best.
Betty
Some of us just don't have the time or ability to straighten the mess in
Monroe Cty. & as much as I like searching for my ancestors I feel that I am
big enough to admit that I need help. I hope that the timid among us don't
mess it up for the rest of us. I am still willing to contribute. Cardin
Cardin Carmack
ccarmack(a)peganet.com
Three cheers for Janet!! Very well said.
My fondest part of the research I have undertaken has been meeting all the
other wonderful people involved in the same occupation! Not sitting in some
library or courthouse...all by myself!
Anyone who has done much research at all also knows that the records in the
courthouses and other places are not without errors. Many of the spellings
were phonetic...and many times, far from the mark. And even items sent to me
by other researchers has not been complete...sometimes missing obvious
facts...but again, as Janet mentioned, this could simply be from a different
interpretation or source. I would feel pretty silly if I posted information
I claimed was complete, only to find out that I had missed a child in the
family simply because I only took one source of information as my guide.
Below is just one example...from my sister-in-law...of how out of whack
*official* records can be:
"Great example below of written records saying one thing and reality being
another. If you went by just a written date on the following, you would be
confused
by other evidence showing the person elsewhere or in another state of
citizenship!
" Upon his immediate return from Kalmbach, Jacob Seifried formally
applied for U.S. citizenship because of his disillusionment with life in
Prussia. Seifried acquired citizenship on October 9, 1896, though his
status was back-dated to September 2, 1868, out of consideration for
his service in both the Union Army and the 5th U.S. Cavalry. He
completed his U.S. Naturalization process at the St. Louis City Circuit
Court."
So .... go figure! If the family records showed 1896 for this person
becoming an American citizen...and the official ones showed 1868...would you
accept that he was the one you were looking for???
I started looking for my ancestry because I was adopted at the age of two.
Every generation discovered has meant another insight into learning more
about who I am. There is no denying the excitement of being told about a
possible new generation...then digging for confirmation. Even online...there
are usually several sources to be found that will give a researcher enough
information to be able to feel fairly certain that the information is
correct enough to then begin sending for verifiable records.
My two cents worth is that, while I would like to have absolute, documented
proof for every person in my tree, other factors weigh just as
heavily....pictures that show unmistakable resemblances...present-day living
relatives with collaborating memories... and the certain recognition that
even today...very few of us could put together the sort of documentation
that would furnish absolute proof that some require!
So from one researcher who is enjoying the journey...even the little bumps
in the road...I wish each one of you a good day ...and happy hunting!
Cathy Thompson
Cuz'ns.......
Believe this is pretty much the consensus of many of us engaged in
research. I feel like Janet summed it up fairly well when she
mentioned..........there may never be an absolute clarification to many of
our questions....but working together and combining what we know, perhaps we
as a list can solve much of the uncertainity.
AND re: Beth's statement...."that genealogy research is ALL about the
'journey' and if someone handed us the entire lineage from cave to
present...we would have nothing else to look for." Far be for me to agree
with B. :) but I think she has stated a good point....for all of us.
......my copper's worth, J.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
James A. Jones
grouch(a)edge.net
GROUCH'S Studio & Gallery
701 Matts Hollow Road
Manchester, TN 37355
-----Original Message-----
From: G & J Gecowets <gecowets(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 12:52 AM
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Research: my two cents' worth
>At the risk of stirring up things, I wanted to add my opinion...
>
>I've read with interest the recent suggestions on hiring a professional
researcher to "clear
>up" the Monroe County, TN, Cardens. As a descendant of these Cardens (and
a serious family
>researcher for most of my short life), I agree - to a point.
>
>I truly (and perhaps naively) believe that most family researchers don't
purposely pass on
>erroneous information. We may indeed have incorrect information for
whatever reasons, but I
>don't think most people flat-out lie when relating this information,
whether passed down from
>one generation to another or relayed on the Internet. Unfortunately, some
of the messages
>I've read have had an air of superiority to them, inferring that they have
the "correct"
>information, and everyone else is wrong.
>
>If I've learned one thing throughout my research, it's that there is no
such thing as
>complete, irrefutable, absolutely correct information. Records get lost or
burned or never
>completed at all. People read the same handwriting differently and
transcribe different names
>or dates or places as a result. The same statement can be interpreted
differently by people
>with differing viewpoints. In short, people make mistakes!
>
>A personal example: My great-uncle wrote several books on the history of
Fentress County,
>Tennessee. While the books contain a great deal of information and
interesting anecdotes that
>are valuable to family researchers, some of his information is not
altogether correct. He got
>some information second- and third-hand, and it cannot be verified. Some
stories that were
>passed down through families were romanticized fairly heavily. And he (as
well as some of his
>sources) confused some names and dates, leading to mistakes. However, I
don't think he
>purposely gave out bad information. I think he worked with what he had at
that time - and
>isn't that what we're all doing?
>
>I'm willing to contribute toward a professional resarcher - as long as all
of us realize what
>we're getting (and possibly not getting). A professional researcher cannot
make records that
>may not exist magically appear, even if s/he is being paid $50+ per hour.
If someone can
>indeed sort through the Leonards and Larkins and double cousins that bless
our Tennessee
>Carden line, I'd be more than happy to pay my fair share. I also realize
that there may never
>be an absolute clarification of some of these questions, and that
uncertainty is one of those
>things that goes along with genealogy.
>
>If anyone out there has good documentation that can clear up some of these
questions on this
>Carden line, it would benefit all of us to share that information (free of
editorial comment),
>combine it with the information we already have, and see what happens.
>
>To sum up: Genealogy - like life- is a journey, not a destination.
>
>--
>Janet Gecowets, IBSSG
>Proud Sponsor of Rootsweb
>
>
>
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I was pleased at the number of people who were willing to pop 10-15
bucks for a researcher, but perhaps Chuck will say again what the
purpose is. I was under the impression that he was hoping to identify
the family of a specific Larkin...or was it a Leonard? I think most of
us consider it a good investment of a small amount of money in hopes
that it will add to our knowledge base.
I loved Janet's comments and hope that she, and everyone continues
to feel they can express their opinion on this list....isn't that one of
the reasons we have it? I have also had the experience that the family
"lore" has been fairly inaccurate. A kernal of truth here and there and
some good places to start, but names, places and generations all mixed
up.
The genealogy research is ALL about the journey for me. Imagine if
someone handed all of us our entire lineage from the cave to present
time and we had nothing further to look for. That wouldn't be any fun
at all!
Beth Carden MacDonald