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Hello everyone,
A friend who is working on his own lines sent me this I thought you would
like to see it.
Date: 16 Mar 1999 23:44:48 -0800
From: Stu_Hotchkiss(a)mlsonline.com (Stu Hotchkiss)
Subject: Fwd: LDS WEBSITE NEWS
OFF TOPIC.
Hopefully no one will be offended regarding this notice. If you are, e-mail
me
privately at Hotch(a)MLSonline.com. Stu
***
Hello Fellow Researchers,
I have been bombarded with questions on the Family Search Website and
would like to pass on to you the information I received when I spoke to an
"Official" Church spokesperson at Family Search. He advised me of the
following:
The OFFICIAL LDS Church website is LDS.ORG Go to media resources and find
News update. The church is posting updates as they come in as to the state
of the family search.
Within 3 or 4 minutes of the NEWS UPDATE ANNOUNCING the FAMILY SEARCH is
online. They will post it THERE!SO Keep checking.Should be a couple of
days. It will be a MASSIVE SITE.They are prepared to test this site using
anyone who wishes to go to it and use it.THERE WILL BE NO PASSWORD TO
ACCESS IT.
The rumor about the password was incorrect.When the site was put up it was
restricted to a few....about 100 people who designed it and are putting the
finishing touches on it, someone there LEAKED, YES LEAKED, (AN EMPLOYEE)
and that is why some of you got in.When the masses bombarded the site it
crashed cause it was not finished. They have now given each worker an
INDIVIDUAL PASSWORD, SOOOOOIF it gets leaked again they will know who did
it.It has been postponed being put online a few days because of the crash.
There are now about 12 popular stories going around about Family Search. I
ASSURE YOU MINE CAME FROM A CHURCH SPOKESMAN.
IF you pass information about the site on to others please just send them
this message I have sent you.The whole message. Now please remember this.
1.Go to LDS.org
2. Find Media Resources
3. Check News Updates
That will inform you when it is going online.Please notify everyone you
know who will be interested. I hope this helps you all.You have my
permission to pass this note on to any Genealogy Lists you wish.Again,
Please pass the whole note not just sections of it or we will have more
rumors.
Thanks,
Karen Gaughan in Pa.Pahendrsht(a)aol.com
Jerry M. Parker
425 E. South St.
Neosho, MO 64850
Hi. I jumped to the conclusion that you had seen the draft chapter
on "Barnane Cardens in Australia" which I sent to your father just
recently. At my suggestion he became a subscriber to this list and
must be reading this correspondence with much amusement! Give
me your postal address and I'll send you your own copy. Arthur.
.Arthur E Carden,
20 Wodehouse Terrace, Falmouth, Cornwall TR11 3EN, England.
Tel: (01326) 313978. Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com
Hi, Bud.
It might cheer you up to hear that we've recently made a
breakthrough with the family of Gerard Carden of Glasgow (see
the draft chapter on the Cardens of Mayo and Sligo I sent you
a year or two ago). Suddenly last month, almost out of the
blue, I received a family tree from someone called Des Curley from
Inniscrone in Co Sligo where your people come from which solved
a whole lot of problems. His mother was a Carden. He is not very
interested in family history but has started quizzing his elderly
relatives. You could try him at <des_curley(a)hotmail.com> Let me
know how you get on.
No help with descendants your side of the ditch, I know, but keep
at it! (Are you planning another trip to Ireland? Shall we meet there
this autumn? Sorry, fall?)
.Arthur E Carden,
20 Wodehouse Terrace, Falmouth, Cornwall TR11 3EN, England.
Tel: (01326) 313978. Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com
Now Bud,
Don't get testy :-) We are glad to have you in our family, but
please we have been here so long and the grass really is greener down
here in the South so naturally, being farmers at heart, our instincts
just led us to the Warmer Climes. It may be of interest to know that we
are not all Confederates, but some who had ventured west and travelled
back up North became Yankees again. Now even some of those have seen the
light and have landed in Texas where the Stars shine bright, the
Mavericks roam and the Cowboys play. Yahoo! Living in Texas gives one
certain bragging rights.
Oops, sort of rambled there didn't I. Patience, my cousin come
lately, but I come from a land and time where people take things
slowly, in fact a favorite phrase is Manana which is a South Texas way
of saying "Later, dude." We have been so thrilled and excited with
finding so many long lost cousins, that we must have made you feel
lonely. It has taken us years to get this going, don't throw water on
our party, but do join in and do not get discouraged. Looks like you
have a good start and we will keep our ears to the ground. Who knows
there may be a stampede of Northern Cardens just lurking out there and
we can only hope they find us, cause our family is growing and smiling
broader every day. How fascinated my Dad would be if he only could have
lived to see this. I can almost hear him chuckle, He would be so proud
to meet you too. Love ya all, Norma Lee Carden Reynolds.
I see all this Carden info going to and fro on this mail list and maybe
I just don't belong. It's very depressing to me that my Carden
connection ancestors took their lives in their hands to escape the
famine in Ireland, sailed from Mayo or Sligo to Liverpool, got on a
coffin ship, endured six weeks of hell and landed in Boston in 1850
pennyless. There they were possiby auctioned off to pay for their
passage.-and they get no notice on this thingy.
I've researched these folks for ten years and have yet to find a living
descendent or any one who ever heard of them; even thru the "vast power"
of the internet. [Whine, whine whine] As an Irish song goes" what's done
is done and lost forever"
Anyway here it is again:
James Carden b1820 came from Ballina Ire. and died in Sullivan Co. N.Y.
in 1897. He married Ann Blackwell - their children: Julia b. 1859, Ann
b. ?, Molly (Mary) b. 1852, Alice b. 1869/70, Margaret b. 1852, Jack
(John) b. 1867, Walter b. ?, James b. 1858/9 who married Catherine -
their children: Anna A. b. 1882, Nan b. ?, Agnes M. (Marie) b. 1884,
Molly L. (Mary) b. 1887 Raymond J. b. ?, Kelly b.? and Nellie b.?
Raymond J. m. Florence (1) and Mabel (2) - he had Raymond James b. 1930.
Raymond James-little Jimmy, died in an auto accident in 1951;an only
child-age 21.
All of my Cardens are buried in the Fantine-Kill Cemetery in Ellenville
N.Y.
I don't understand why, with Co. Mayo and Sligo being a fountainhead of
Cardens in the early 1800s that there are'nt more decendends and
interest in this group.
In any event I think my Cardens are as good as all those Confederate
Cardens and maybe even the English.
And pls.. don't send me any antidepressents. Maybe a case of Dos Equis!
Thank you for your consideration of this matter.
Bud
I note the controversy over listing living persons in genealogical and
internet endeavers. This, like the abortion controversy, seems to have
no middle ground.[Oops did I introduce another controversy].
It seems to me that few would object to have basic info divulged as long
as people were judicious about what they say. The only concern some have
voiced is that in the U.S. the maiden name of a person's mother is used
as a security measure on bank accounts by banks and could allow some
mischief.
There is a concern by some, of course, to the use of living homosapiens
data and is why Broderbund offers software which filters it out.
It seems to me that I agree with Arthur and that it would be more
difficult to share and gain gen. data if you can't use the names of
living persons.
That's my 2 cents. Any comments?
Bud Burge.
Hi Natalie,
You're from the bit of Australia I haven't been to... yet. The west is
certainly on my agenda for the future.
I'm from Melbourne, born in 1965, son of John and Jan Carden. Arthur Carden
says that we're from the 'Barnane in Australia' branch, whatever that means.
I've lived in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, and even briefly in Cairns, but I
now call Canberra home. I visit Sydney for work on occasion, and to remind
myself of why I like Canberra.
The only other Michael Carden I have heard of in Australia, I found via a
web search which turned up the web page of a Michael Carden in Brisbane who
is a gay religious scholar. Quite an interesting combination.
When you say 'lost', I assume you mean deceased. Can you tell me anything
about him?
Cheers,
Michael Carden
Thanks Arthur.
Yes, I am Michael John Carden, born July 17 1965. My partner is Joanne
Burch, born November 9, 1965. I'm still catching up on enough family history
to know what the 'Barnane in Australia' part is all about, but I'm here in
Canberra in the Australian Capital Territory.
Young Madeleine is the ninth grandchild of John Carden and Jan Carden (nee
Newton).
T'would appear that Cardens are a prolific lot.
Cheers,
Michael Carden
Hi Carol,
This Presley and family moved to Tennessee sometime after the 1850 census.
His son Kenchelow was killed during the war, as well as several others.
I'm in Salt Lake at present but will send you what I hace when I get back
next week.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Cascam627(a)aol.com <Cascam627(a)aol.com>
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 9:15 AM
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Another Presley Carden
>The 1840 census lists Presley Carden with a wife and one son, living in
Orange
>County, North Carolina.
>
>Presley married Blatha C. Brown on February 21, 1840, (Orange County
Records).
>
>The 1850 census that Presley and his growing family lived in the Southern
>Division of Orange County.
>
>Birth dates for the family are approximated from the census records.
>Presley 1815 NC
>Blatha 1822 NC
>James 1840 NC
>Kinchelow 1842 NC
>Ansel 1844 NC
>Addison 1846 NC
>Francis 1847 NC
>Nancy 1849 NC
>
>I hope somebody can make a connection with some of this information. Last
>night I was able to fill in a gap in an associated Carden family (the
>Daugherty, Dorherty, Dorrity, Dority, etc., etc., etc., family) by
correlating
>some new information with data I had acquired in 1987! What a great
feeling!
>
>Carol Scarlett
>
>
>==== CARDEN Mailing List ====
>This list is for the discussion of Carden Genealogy only. Any violations
(ie. spam) will result in immediate removal from the listserver. To contact
the list owner email listowner jimd(a)wings-n-things.com
>
>
I appreciate any genealogical discussions that are posted to the list,
rather than batted around privately. Most of us have files and folders
with names like "lookups" or "Cardens yet to be connected". You never
know when someone will make reference to a name that will ring a bell
that can make all the difference. I think some people are hesitant to
post suppositions or unproven material, but I would rather see it posted
in hopes that someone else is sitting on something that connects.
Thanks, Beth MacD
Umm did I miss something somewhere? Dammit, if there is controversy *I*
need to be involved....learn that :)
Lisa
>Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:01:57 -0800 (PST)
>From: grouch(a)edge.net (James Jones)
>Old-To: "Arthur Carden" <Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com>,
<CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:03:29 -0600
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
>Subject: [CARDEN-L] Re: What is PROPER WAY??
>To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Arthur Carden <Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com>
>To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:59 AM
>Subject: [CARDEN-L] Dave Carden Collins
>
>
>>Dave - following James Jones' suggestion, I am replying to you
>>here, rather than direct. [Lets have views on whether this is the
>>proper way.]
>
>
>Arthur....
> Opinions/views are like armpits...everyone has one....and I have mine!
>I really don't understand the requirement of whether or not it is *proper*
>to include us/other members on the list of your posts. I believe this is
>why JimD began this list..so that ALL of us could benefit from each other's
>ideas/research. I fully understand that there are some who have worked
>longer and know much more CARDEN/CARDIN family history than a majority of us
>on this list ...BUT *go figure*!!! This is the main reason we subscribe,
>so we can learn and glean from others. Unfortunately, I am one of those
>struggling people and I can assure you that this is MY *proper way* to learn
>about my CARDEN ancestors.
> If your response(s) are "private"...then fine, they may not be *proper*
>for the entire list. Otherwise, I don't believe it takes any more effort to
>include everyone than it does just *the sender*!!! I, for one, will admit
>that I do not know everything about our CARDEN/CARDIN family and I look
>forward each day for ANY leads (and shared information) which will help me
>with the family tree. I'm sure that I have made many mistakes and this may
>be one of them......BUT there again....that is YOUR opinion.
>
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>
>==== CARDEN Mailing List ====
>This list is for the discussion of Carden Genealogy only. Any violations
(ie. spam) will result in immediate removal from the listserver. To contact
the list owner email listowner jimd(a)wings-n-things.com
>
I'm trying to verify the father of Phillip L. Carden. He married Winnie
Willis in Shelby Co. AL, in 1865. He had 3 children, I believe, although
four was listed in the census. probably by his first wife. One of his
children was John Wesley Carden. Phillip served in the 31st AL in the Civil
War I believe. I have a listing that his father was James, but it isn't
verified. He's listed in the Census of 1850 under Charles Carden. Anyone
have a clue?
Wow,
You 'uns are really gettin' with it. (yes, I'm in Oklahoma!) I am happy
to see active dialog batween so many!
Just for the record:
1) I prefer to carry on most conversations on the list rather than in
private e-mails. That means sending the mail to CARDEN-L(a)ROOTSWEB.COM.
The only exception is information that I feel should be kept private.
For example, Arthur requested a list of subscriber's e-mails. I sent
those direct since this list is archived by rootsweb, and searchable (in
theory) by e-mail robots for spamming purposes.
2) Since I mentioned it, I might as well fill everyone in. Yes, these
lists are archived by rootsweb, and are searchable for keywords. Sorry,
I don't have the address handy for the search engine, but I'll find it
in the near future.
3) For those that get the rootsweb review, Take the time to read the
article on privacy. While Arthur has been of the utmost help to me and
everyone on this list, I personally disagree with him. Please
understand Arthur, I am not trying to offend you! It is my PERSONAL
policy to divulge material on living ONLY to other researchers that have
proven trustworthy. I must admit though, I'll be at the top of the list
to get Arthur's books when available. After all, nothing sells better
in America than an "unauthorized biography". I know it sounds like I'm
playing both sides of the fence here, but I also know that I have
information on family members that was given by members looking over
their shoulder to make sure no one else heard. I can't possibly keep
track of who was worried about what getting out, so I just remain
cautious about anything on anyone living.
Oh, on the Carden for a middle-name issue, I too have a family member
who had his mother's maiden name (Carden) as his middle name, and just
to confuse things, would anyone care to guess which name he goes by?
yep, he used Carden as his Given name.
Alright everybody, listen for the bell, and come out swinging!
JimD
Many congratulations to you and your partner on your beautiful
baby!
Am I right in thinking you are Michael, born 1965, of the "Barnane
in Australia" branch? Assuming this to be so, I shall add Madeleine
to my draft chapter on your branch immediately! Incidentally, I have
just managed to obtain some fascinating Catholic parish register
information about your forebears in Ireland shedding a little more
light on their situation. [To explain to other readers, Michael's
ancestor Nicholas, born in Tipperary about 1737 to the all-powerful
protestant Carden family, became a Catholic and was struck out of
all the family records. We've been struggling to find out more.]
.Arthur E Carden,
20 Wodehouse Terrace, Falmouth, Cornwall TR11 3EN, England.
Tel: (01326) 313978. Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Carden <Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com>
To: CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:59 AM
Subject: [CARDEN-L] Dave Carden Collins
>Dave - following James Jones' suggestion, I am replying to you
>here, rather than direct. [Lets have views on whether this is the
>proper way.]
Arthur....
Opinions/views are like armpits...everyone has one....and I have mine!
I really don't understand the requirement of whether or not it is *proper*
to include us/other members on the list of your posts. I believe this is
why JimD began this list..so that ALL of us could benefit from each other's
ideas/research. I fully understand that there are some who have worked
longer and know much more CARDEN/CARDIN family history than a majority of us
on this list ...BUT *go figure*!!! This is the main reason we subscribe,
so we can learn and glean from others. Unfortunately, I am one of those
struggling people and I can assure you that this is MY *proper way* to learn
about my CARDEN ancestors.
If your response(s) are "private"...then fine, they may not be *proper*
for the entire list. Otherwise, I don't believe it takes any more effort to
include everyone than it does just *the sender*!!! I, for one, will admit
that I do not know everything about our CARDEN/CARDIN family and I look
forward each day for ANY leads (and shared information) which will help me
with the family tree. I'm sure that I have made many mistakes and this may
be one of them......BUT there again....that is YOUR opinion.
Jimmy
Dave - following James Jones' suggestion, I am replying to you
here, rather than direct. [Lets have views on whether this is the
proper way.]
I guess the best ways to follow up your exciting leads regarding the
town of Bath are (a) to look in local contemporary directories which
may well list your family and their homes and (b) make contact with
the local family history society. If you like I will try to find the name
and email ID for the latter. Or I could recommend a professional
genealogist. But perhaps you've already thought of these steps.
Cheers, Arthur.
.Arthur E Carden,
20 Wodehouse Terrace, Falmouth, Cornwall TR11 3EN, England.
Tel: (01326) 313978. Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com
Thanks, Jim, for the list.
Of your 55 subscribers I reckon there are just 3 from UK, 5 from
Australia, 2 from Canada, and one each from New Zealand and
Japan. Some of my friends are a bit slow to join!
.Arthur E Carden,
20 Wodehouse Terrace, Falmouth, Cornwall TR11 3EN, England.
Tel: (01326) 313978. Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com
Lisa - I love you all whether yanks or not! But you'll never let me
forget that I said "I am interested in Cardens worldwide except in the
USA because there are too many of you" - indeed I see you have
quoted that on your lovely "Carden Roots" site at
http://www.dakodadesigns.com/carden.htm
Now to prove something, here is some more of the story in your
"Gossip" page headed Barnane Castle. It was finally decided in
1949 by the court in Dublin that the so-called fortune entailed
in Woodcock Carden's will should go to Lionel Gillette Carden
of San Leandro, California. He thus became the "head" of the
Irish Carden family as a whole, the heir of the original John
Carden who emigrated to Tipperary from England in 1665. Though
he had previously known nothing of his Carden ancestry he became
an enthusiastic correspondent of my father and others. He died in
1971.
I spoke to his younger son Lionel John Carden on the telephone in
1990 when I was in California, but have now lost touch with the
family. The current "head" of the Tipperary family as a whole is
LGC's grandson Calvin Lionel Carden, born 1951, who disappeared
during the 80's.
Does anyone know the family? Can anyone put me in touch with
Calvin Lionel Carden?
One of these days I'll post some more here or on Lisa's site about
Woodcock Carden mentioned above. He earned that nickname
because though his tenants took many pot shots at him they always
missed, but also became notorious by attempting to abduct Eleanor
Arbuthnot (of another prominent family) and spending two years in
gaol as a result.
Finally, let me say that I totally disagree with the article "Privacy and
the Internet" in the latest Rootsweb Review. What nonsense! I
have brought far more joy than pain to people by linking them
through my genealogical efforts. Soon the books that I am planning
will be available to all, and will contain all sorts of intimate details
about living Cardens, and I have no intention of deleting all mention
of living people as she suggests. I have broken her rules by
mentioning Calvin Lionel Carden above without his permission,
and think I am fully justified.
.
Arthur E Carden,
20 Wodehouse Terrace, Falmouth, Cornwall,TR11 3EN.
Tel: (01326) 313978. Arthur.Carden(a)btinternet.com
At 03:22 PM 03/22/1999 -0500, Beth MacDonald wrote:
>Hi Dave, We have a number of instances through our files (and in my
>immediate family) where Carden has been used as a second, or "middle"
>name as we call it, by Carden women...
I'll join the "Carden as a middle name" club. I'm David Carden Larkin, and
I share the middle name with my father, son, and grandson. We know we have
Cardens in our background; my great-grandmother was Maria Carden. The
family tradition had always been that she was the daughter of Sir John
Craven Carden 4th Bt., County Tipperary, but as I've started doing some
research, that doesn't match with peerage records or birth records for the
baronet back in Ireland. So right now, we're sort of an "orphan" line.
I'll tack on what we know about her, in hopes somebody might have a clue.
Dave Larkin
Tokyo
Descendants of: Maria Carden
1 Maria Carden b. 27 Aug 1847 New Inn, Ireland [no record in New Inn; maybe
Newinn in Tipperary?] d. 3 Aug 1928 Salamanca, New York
m. 3 Mar 1870 St. Peter's Episcopal, Philadelphia, PA Richard Hevenor b.
5 Feb 1841 Kilchreest, County Galway, Ireland d. 9 Feb 1922 Salamanca, New
York
Maria Carden and Richard Hevenor were childhood sweethearts. She
emigrated to America, entering at Philadelphia soon after Richard had
established himself in Salamanca. Richard met her in Philadelphia and they
married March 3, 1870 in St. Peter's Episcopal Church. After her marriage
the couple traveled by train to Salamanca, New York. At that time Salamanca
was the small village of Bucktooth where the train crews were changed and
the cattle from the western plains were rested, fed and watered on their
way to eastern markets.
2 Harvey Henry Hevenor b. 3 Aug 1871 Salamanca, New York d. 10 May 1953
Salamanca, New York
2 Mary Mabel Hevenor b. 16 Nov 1872 Salamanca, New York d. 25 Feb 1958
Bay Village, Ohio
m. 12 Jul 1902 Little Church around the Corner, NYC Robert Blackwood
Larkin Sr. b. 5 Apr 1870 Youngstown, Ohio d. 3 Jan 1941 Bay Village, Ohio
2 Margaret Adellah Hevenor b. 30 Mar 1874 Salamanca, New York d. 13 Oct
1962 Salamanca, New York
2 John Carden Hevenor b. 17 Mar 1877 Salamanca, New York d. 15 Oct 1945
Salamanca, New York
2 Richard Charles Hevenor b. 23 Mar 1879 Salamanca, New York d. 22 Apr
1947 Salamanca, New York
2 Robert C. Hevenor b. 26 Jun 1882 Salamanca, New York d. 26 Jun 1882
Salamanca, New York
2 Wallace G. Hevenor b. 1884 Salamanca, New York d. 1884 Salamanca, New
York
2 Alice Allegra Hevenor b. 30 Mar 1886 Salamanca, New York d. 4 Jul 1960
Olean, New York
m. 30 Jun 1914 St. Mary's, Salamanca, New York Edward William Lewis
Sr. b. 7 Apr 1887 Portville, New York d. 12 Nov 1960 Portville New York
Hey gang.........
Correct me if I am wrong.....and as most of you know, it won't be the
first time!! I feel like many of us are not sending to the entire list
whenever a reply is made to a post. It looks like all replies/comments are
directed back to the sender only and not being sent/shared with the rest of
the group.
This is fine and your business.........but, aren't we defeating the
purpose here????
Jimmy in middle TN