Question???
I have a page dedicated to the family name of Campbell in the family album I
am preparing for my mother. I have it as Dugald of Loch Awe, Sir Colin's
grandfather, who was the first to be given the name Cam Beul, means crooked
mouth in the Gaelic, he had a specific trait of talking out of one side of
his mouth. I read that he was so loved by everyone that the entire family
kept the name even beyond Argyll. And that the Normans are the ones who
rearranged the spelling. Is this accurate, or even close to accurate? I want
an accurate family tree album with factual data.
Thank you in Advance
Rhonda
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From: Richard Brown <omega(a)attbi.com>
To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:16 AM
Subject: (DIARMID) Sir Neil Campbell Of Loch Awe
Diarmid
Can you then explain the material and the links below. I am in the
U.S.
Thank you for responding. I am not trying to put you on the spot, I
sincerly want to know why so very few know about Sir Neil Campbell.
Richard
I don't know where you got the information you sent me, but it is full of
in-accuracies, as I suspect you knew or you would not have asked me about
it. Here are some facts:
SIR NEIL CAMPBELL
His father was Cailain 'mor' (big or great in the Gaelic) who died near
Loch
Awe on the String of Lorn, killed by a MacDougall arrow in 1296. Sir
Colin
was possibly knighted about the time of his father Gillespic's
death in
circa.1281. The head of the Lochawe family, now represented by the
Campbell
Chiefs, the Dukes of Argyll, take their 'patronymic'
(paternal name) from
Colin as 'son of great Colin' or 'MacCailein mor', often spelt
'MacCailein
Mor'. The wife of either Cailein 'mor' or his father Gillespic (meaning
Archibald, living in 1263 and who seemingly died circa. 1281) was Efferic,
(daughter or grand-daughter of Duncan Earl of Carrick who d. 1250).
Sir Neil was likely born in Scotland and died 1315. He married secondly
(first wife's name not known) his cousin, the sister of Robert Bruce, Earl
of Carrick and later King of Scots, by whom he had one son John, who was
made Earl of Atholl but died young in battle and had no children. Sir Neil
had succeeded his father in 1296. He was a was a staunch ally of his
kinsman
(2nd cousin?) Robert Bruce from the start to finish of his campaigns
leading
up to Bannockburn and was one of the Barons in Parliament that met at
Ayr
on
April 26, 1315 when the succession to the Crown of Scotland was
settled.
He
was said to be the 10th Knight of Lochow but this is traditional and
not
supported on record. On his death he was succeeded by his son Colin by
his
first wife. Colin was granted the Lordship of Lorn in 1315, but
whether
his
father had owned lands on Loch Awe (also spelt 'Lochawe' and
earlier
'Lochow') is not known, although Neil's father Cailein 'mor' was
almost
certainly acting for the king in an administrative capacity on Loch Awe.
Sons of Sir Colin Campbell, lord of Lochawe (small 'L' for lord at that
point)
i. Colin (Cailein in the Gaelic) Campbell. Sir Colin was granted the
Lordship of Lochawe. His place and date of birth are not known, and he
died
before 1343.
(Next there were possibly three sons called Neil, Thomas and Alexander who
may have died young)
ii. Duncan Campbell of whom little is known.
iii. Dugald Campbell who was still alive in 1323.
iv John Campbell, (by Sir Neil's second wife Marjory Bruce) who was made
Earl of Atholl and killed at Halidon Hill in 1333. Presumably born circa.
1315.
I hope this is some initial help but the sources I mentioned above are
your
best bet. DAC.
Diarmid
Can you please help with some extended information on the below SIR
NEIL
CAMPBELL. I have read bits and pieces on him
over the years, but nothing more than a paragraph or two. Can you please
tell me
why more has not been written on him, just the fact that he went to
school with William Wallace and that they fought
side by side in the Wars Of Independence, should give him more of
a mention than what I have read to date. Not to mention that he fought
for The
Bruce and married his sister. Can you expound on this Sir? It
would be highly appreciated .
SIR NEIL CAMPBELL
MacCAILEN MORE ~ LAIRD OF LOCHOWE
Portrait
He was born 1258 in Lochow, Argyllshire, Scotland and died 1315. He
married Mariota
CAMERON, between 1276/1294. Mariota CAMERON was born about
1260 in Lochow, Argyllshire, Scotland and died between 1285/1295. She was
the daughter of Sir John CAMERON. Sir Neil CAMPBELL succeeded his father.
He fought for King Robert, The Bruce at Methven and at Bannockburn and was
one of the great Barons in Parliament that met at Ayr on April 26, 1315 when
the succession to the Crown of Scotland was settled. He was also the 10th
Knight of Lochow
Children of Sir Neil CAMPBELL and Mariota CAMERON:
i.
Colin Callen Oig CAMPBELL(Below)
ii.
Dugald CAMPBELL,
he was born 1281 in Lochow, Argyllshire, Scotland and died between
1282/1371.
iii.
Duncan CAMPBELL,
he was born about 1283.
Reprisals for the Bishop of Glasgow, Robert Wishart's internment was
swift
in coming, as William Wallace launched an attack on Glasgow, Antony
Bek's seat of administration. At 9.00am William Wallace led three hundred
horsemen across Glasgow Bridge and rode into the High Street where they
engaged Antony Bek's guards, the elite troops of the St. Cuthbert's Host.
Whilst Adam Wallace and Patrick Auchinleck led one hundred and forty men
along the North East Row to attack the rear flank of the English troops. By
12.00p.m., four hundred English troops were killed during the course of the
battle, but William Wallace's primary target Antony Bek had eluded capture,
and by 1.00p.m., Wallace and his rebel army were well north of Glasgow.
William Wallace regrouped his forces at Dunduff, then
they
indulged in a five day period of R and R. Then an old friend called Duncan
of Lorn together with his elderly guide, Gilmichael, finally tracked William
Wallace down and brought him the bad news. That the Earls of Atholl, Buchan
(John Comyn), Menteith and John of Lorn (Duncan's nephew) have aligned
themselves with MacFadyen, the English appointed Lord of Argyll and Lorn.
With their combined force of fifteen thousand men, MacFadyen engaged on a
campaign of wanton destruction throughout Argyll and they had overwhelmed
the local resistance organised by Sir Neil Campbell of Lochawe.
At Glendochart, William Wallace rendezvoused with Gilmichael and the
local
resistance leader, Sir Neil Campbell, they reported that MacFadyen's
army was beyond Loch Dochart. William Wallace then attacked MacFadyen's army
at dawn on the following day, utilising the advantage of surprise, even
though Wallace had been briefed that he was outnumbered.
The ensuing battle raged on for more than two hours, at one
stage it
could have gone either way, but gradually William Wallace gained
the upper hand. The surviving members of the Irish contingent in MacFadyen's
army were summarily executed, as they neither asked for nor any quarter was
given. But William Wallace spared the lives of the Scottish contingent, as
laid down their arms and begged for mercy.
As for MacFadyen himself, he fled from the scene as soon as
he knew
that defeat was inevitable. But he was closely pursued by Duncan of
Lorn and a large band of men, who found him hiding in a cave under
Craigmore, shielded by fifteen bodyguards. Duncan returned triumphantly
holding aloft MacFadyen's head as a trophy, 'which Lord Campbell placed high
in Craigmore upon a stone, for the honour of Ireland'
http://www.waichung.demon.co.uk/william/rebel.htm
As was the custom in those days, the younger brothers followed the
education of the
church while the eldest would inherit lands and title's.
The uncle which he was now with was also a priest of the district and it was
here, now at the age of 17 or 18 that William continued his education in
Dundee. It was here that William met John Blair, who soon after became a
Benedictine monk, following that he eventually left his monastery to attend
his friend William and become his chaplain and comrade in arms.
In this church school William also met and became friends with Duncan of
Lorn and
Sir Neil Campbell of Lochawe, both young men like William who were
to take a major part in William's first exploits. Why such a well built and
physically strong youth would follow the career of a priest is easily
answered. As I have already said it was the custom for both the Wallace
family (his fathers side) and the Craufurd family (his mothers side) to send
the youngest sons to the church for their education, and in unsettled times
as there were, it was prudent to have a firm grasp on languages and politics
and the learning's of the church, as the church was a major power.
http://www.martinmchale.com/Clan/flower.htm
Sir Alexander Seton (2nd) succeeded his good father and was Knighted by
King Robert
before 1302. He publicly signed an Oath at Lindores afirming
the rights of Robert Bruce as King, and later joined Sir Gilbert Hay and Sir
Neil Campbell in defending the rights of King Robert the Bruce and was one
of the signatories of the Declaration of Arbroath, April 6, 1320, which
confirmed the Independence of Scotland to Pope John XXII. Present at the
Battle of Bannockburn, June 24th, 1314, he was by the King's side during the
victory celebrations. He also accompanied the King's brother Edward Bruce
in his claim of the crown of Ireland.
http://www.setonfamily.com/Seton/Short.htm
Tour Lindores Abbey in The Kingdom of Fife
Newburgh, in north Fife, on the banks of the River Tay, has had a
settlement
or a village on the present site from a period much earlier than
the end of the twelfth century, but it was at this time that the village
grew in importance, due to the founding of Lindores Abbey.
Perhaps the most important and historic event ever witnessed at
Lindores
Abbey was the meeting here in 1306 of three puissant knights, Sir
Gilbert Hay of Errol, Sir Neil Campbell of Lochaw, and Sir Alexander Seton,
and the sealing before the high altar of the vow they made to " defend the
King Robert Bruce and his crown to the last of their blood and fortunes. "
William Wallace was also here when he stole hither out of Black
Earnside Wood
for water for his wounded men. And in Newburgh tradition, the
Clatchard Craig, which faces the Abbey with a sheer cliff of two hundred
feet, is pointed to as the stone whereon he whetted his great two-handed
sword !
http://www.scottravel.com/lindores-abbey2.htm
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