Diarmid
Very interesting... Is Lochgilphead only area in Argyll where the
Methodists were? Say about 1770s or so... Would there be records of
Methodist churches around Oban, Tarbet, up and down Kintyre??
Were the Campbells at Skipness, Methodist? What typically, were folks
'before' they followed Wesley?
Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge! I'll be in your
neighborhood in January... can I bring you anything from Texas?!!
Regards,
Sandy Campbell
Diarmid Campbell wrote:
Lorne,
You use the word 'religions' and I'm wondering whether you mean
'churches'?
As I see it there is the Christian religion but to satisfy all people it has
various 'churches' such as Baptist or Catholic or Presbyterian, etc.
I get the sense that the various pre-Christian religions (such as Druidic or
animist) were well established along the western European coasts and islands
before the influence of Christianity came from those influenced by St.
Patrick in Ireland. Patrick's father was seemingly a British (i.e. Britonic
man of Neolithic DNA and using a language similar to modern Welsh) who came
from either the Clyde in what later became Scotland, (or some push the idea
of the Bristol Channel in western England.) He (the father of Patrick) was
employed by the Roman authorities.
The islands of the west of what is now Scotland were initially places where
individual 'hermits' came to meditate. After 500 AD St. Columba brought
over the idea of communities of contemplatives but including active monks
who lived together and linked up with others to bring a Christian influence.
This was not yet a Rome dominated church, but not long afterwards Rome sent
a missionary to England whose loyalty was to Rome first and then to God.
Some of the Britonic peoples in mainland souther Britain were already
Christian through earlier Roman influence, but the Saxons (Angles, Jutes,
Fresians etc.) who had invaded England were not. The Britonic peoples could
not bring faith to the Saxons but the Irish priests did. However by the
12th century the Roman dominated church had become powerful in Britain and
demanded allegiance to Rome.
If you were meaning were there other 'churches' in Islay by the 19th
century, I imagine it is quite possible but do not know of them. The
'chapel' influence began with Wesley whose followers decided to create a
separate church after he died and called it 'Methodist'. He was a reformer.
The oppression of the industrial revolution caused numbers of charismatic
people to rise up and emphasise one or another aspect of Christianity in the
hope that it could change their world - and of course it began to bring
awakening to numbers of people - each one before becoming a part of its own
establishment as another church. I know that there were 'chapel' people
(i.e. not Church of Scotland or Episcopalian) in Lochgilphead in Argyll.
Also of course after the 'Disruption' in the mid 19th century when the
Church of Scotland split over the issue of allowing landowners to appoint
ministers, rather than their being chosen by the congregation, the Free
Church became an influence through out the islands and Highlands. Much of
that has since re-united with the Church of Scotland (Presbyterian).
I hope this helps offer some background to the history.
Diarmid
-----Original Message-----
From: J Lorne Campbell [mailto:jlorne.campbell@sympatico.ca]
Sent: 21 November 2004 19:23
To: CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAMPBELL] Islay Campbells
Thank you Diarmid,
"Our" CAMPBELLs from Daill, Kilarrow Parish, Islay, Argyllshire immigrated
to Peel County, Ontario, Canada in c1832 and brought with them or formed
here in Canada a strong Baptist or Disciple religious affiliation. They and
their descendants did not attend the Presbyterian Church in Canada although
there was one near where they settled.
Before immigration, all the family baptisms that I can find were performed
in the Kilarrow Parish.
Is there any evidence of other religions in Islay in the early 1800/1830s?
Lorne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diarmid Campbell" <diarmid(a)diarmid.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: [CAMPBELL] Islay Campbells
>Islay was the home base of the MacDonald family. Earlier it had been in
>the
>hands of the Norse for a time until pushed out by Somerled (c. 1100-1163).
>His eldest son Dougall became king of central Argyll and the Isles
>(ancestor
>of the MacDougalls) and younger sons inherited the peripheral lands and
>islands of Islay, southern Kintyre and Garmoran (Ardnamurchan and north).
>
>Ranald MacSomhairle inherited Islay from his father Somerled, and then his
>son Donald was eponym of Clan Donald. Donald's descendant John (or Iain)
>of
>Islay married the heiress of Garmorran and so inherited those lands and
>then
>divorced her and married a daughter of the Stewart heirs of Robert Bruce.
>John then called himself Lord of the Isles - a title he used from about
>1336.
>
>There came a time in the fifteen hundreds when the MacDonalds and MacLeans
>were fighting over the lands of Islay and the king, who had been unable to
>bring them to his peace, offered to sell the lordship of Islay to anyone
>who
>would stop the fighting. Campbell of Cawdor (a place to the north of
>Argyll
>near Inverness) was interested in keeping links with his ancestral folk in
>Argyll I suppose, and took the challenge. He did eventually bring peace
>to
>the island of Islay and kept it by putting in a Campbell kinsman whenever
>a
>tenancy came free.
>
>Not all the Campbells on Islay were natural sons of Cawdor or younger sons
>of younger sons of Cawdor, but many probably were. The island finally
>stretched the resources of Cawdor too far and they sold out in the first
>half of the 18th century to the rich Glasgow and Boston merchant Daniel
>Campbell of Shawfield and Islay. Shawfield was a descendant of Campbell
>of
>Skipness through the female line. The original Archibald Campbell of
>Skipness had been brother of the first Sir John Campbell of Cawdor and was
>granted Skipness in 1511. So it is also posible that the Shawfield
>Campbells brought in other Campbell tacksmen (senior tenants) to Islay.
>
>Diarmid
>(Campbell, Kilmelford, Argyll)
>
>
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