Cal,
The story of a sharecropper descending from a 'powerful' ancestor is
entirely possible.
Politics in Britian and Ireland 2-300 years ago were often violent -
resulting in wars and rebellions, particularly in the (fundamentalist versus
king's domination) religious wars of the 17th century.
What happened to those captured and condemned by either side who was in
power was that they were shipped to the colonies as 'indentured servants'.
The governing power contracted with a ship's master to get them to the
colonies. They might have to work their passage but were kept in irons
until teh ship had left, often as not. The ship's Master was not paid to
take them. This meant that what was expected in the contract was that the
captain of the ship sold them to a planter and so got his passage money.
The planter then had their labor for a period before they were freed. The
period might be nine years at the most I believe, but would have to check on
that. It was a limited slavery and unless the individual had recorse to
powerful friends following the judgment of the court in condemning them to
be exiled and indentured, there was no way out of the situation. It was
perhaps also one of the reasons that at that time there was less sense of
injustice about the concept of slavery than would evolve later when - unlike
these days - it became clear that liberty was more important than security,
resulting in the American Revolution and later the ending of slavery.
Diarmid
(Campbell, Argyll, Scotland)
-----Original Message-----
From: Cal Campbell [mailto:bbatdega@bellsouth.net]
Sent: 09 June 2005 20:50
To: CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAMPBELL] Earls of Breadalbane
Tom,
Believe me, when I make the connection, I will let you know.
Right now, All I have is an only story that my John J Campbell, b. 1845/9
probably in SC was a son of an emigrant from Ireland or from a soldier who
either remained or did not remain after the Rev War. He was supposed to
have been of descent of the "powerful Campbells".
Now you know how that goes. Therefopre, I have to expleor every step.
My Campbells lived in Darlington, SC. They were sharedroppers with no
money. How the family story and that compute is beyond me, except that he
would have to have just "left everything:" to get a start in this country.
Thanks for the help.
Cal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom von Weissenberg" <tomvw(a)nic.fi>
To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [CAMPBELL] Earls of Breadalbane
Cal,
No favors to return, except giving me an answer on my question of your
interest in the matter. It seems not to be so many Breadalbanes out there,
and any contact with remote cousins is highly appreciated!
Rgds
Tom
On Jun 9, 2005, at 04:40, Cal Campbell wrote:
> Thanks Tom,
>
> I wonder why this website did not come up in my search.
>
> I appreciate you pointing it out and helping to clear this up for me.
>
> May I return the favor?
>
> Cal
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom von Weissenberg"
<tomvw(a)nic.fi>
> To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAMPBELL] Earls of Breadalbane
>
>
>> Cal,
>> You can go to
>>
http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/families/
>> cambells_breadalbane.htm , and you can read the following:
>> +++++
>> The (first) Earl (John Campbell) died in 1716, in his 81st year. He
>> married first, 17th December 1657, Lady Mary Rich, third daughter of
>> Henry, first Earl of Holland, who had been executed for his loyalty to
>> Charles the First, 9th March 1649. By this lady he had two sons -
>> Duncan, styled Lord Ormelie, who survived his father, but was passed
>> over in the succession, and John, in his father's lifetime styled Lord
>> Glenurchy, who became second Earl of Breadalbane. He married, secondly,
>> 7th April 1678, Lady Mary Campbell, third daughter of Archibald,
>> Marquis of Argyll, dowager of George, sixth Earl of Caithness (having a
>> third son Colin of Ardmaddy).
>> John Campbell, Lord Glenurchy, the second son, born 19th November 1662,
>> was by his father nominated to succeed him as second Earl of
>> Breadalbane, in terms of the patent conferring the title. He died at
>> Holyroodhouse, 23rd February 1752, in his ninetieth year. He married,
>> first, Lady Frances Cavendish, second of the five daughters of Henry,
>> second Duke of Newcastle. She died, without issue, 4th February 1690,
>> in her thirtieth year. He married, secondly, 23rd May 1695, Henrietta,
>> second daughter of Sir Edward Villiers, knight, sister of the first
>> Earl of Jersey, and of Elizabeth, Countess of Orkney, the witty but
>> plain looking mistress of King William III. By his second wife he had a
>> son, John, third earl, and two daughters.
>> John, third earl, born in 1696, was educated at the university of
>> Oxford, and after holding many highly important public offices, died at
>> Holyroodhouse, 26th January 1782, in his 86th year. He was twice
>> married, and had three sons, who all predeceased him.
>> The male line of the first peer having thus become extinct, the clause
>> in the patent in favour of heirs-general transferred the peerage, and
>> the vast estates belonging to it, to his kinsman, John Campbell, born
>> in 1762, eldest son of Colin Campbell of Carwhin, descended from Colin
>> Campbell of Mochaster (who died in 1678), third son of Sir Robert
>> Campbell of Glenurchy. The mother of the fourth Earl and first Marquis
>> of Breadalbane was Elizabeth, daughter of Archibald Campbell of
>> Stonefield, sheriff or Argyleshire, and sister of John Campbell,
>> judicially styled Lord Stonefield, a lord of session and justiciary.
>> +++
>> In the mid 1600's the head of the Campbells of Glenorchy was Colin, who
>> was succeeded by his brother Robert. Robert had five sons, and he was
>> succeeded by eldest son John who was succeeded by the eldest son,
>> another John, who became 1st earl of Breadalbane, succeeded by 2nd and
>> 3rd earl of B. When the 3rd earl died without a son, they had to go
>> back to the first common ancestor (Robert) with a male descendant
>> representing the oldest line. Roberts second son Colin of Mochaster,
>> brother to the 4th of Glenurchy, whos oldest male descendant was John
>> Campbell of Carwhin. He become the 4th Earl of Breadalbane.
>> I have no records here (in Cambodia) showing the names (and number of
>> generations) between Robert and John of Carwhin, but it is obvious they
>> were 'cousins'. Depending on which generation John of Carwhin actually
>> represents, we can assume he was 4th or 5th cousin with the 3rd earl.
>> You may know that the succession is at stake again. One of the two
>> contestants is collecting evidence in support for his claim. He is
>> descending from the 1st earls third son Colin of Armaddy from his
>> second marriage with Lady Mary Campbell of Argyll. According to all
>> official records Colin died (unmarried and therefore) without legal
>> issue. On the other hand, if you check the background of the prominent
>> banker First Cashier (same as a CEO today) John Campbell of the Bank
>> (Royal Bank of Scotland that is) and he is without exeption recognized
>> as the 1st earls grandson. The one claiming the title descends from
>> John 1st earls eldest son Duncan, Lord Ormelie, who was passed over in
>> the succession by the younger brother John, due to weak health (others
>> say due to weak intellect). The other one is descending from John of
>> the Banks oldest son John. My connection with the Campbell's is Johns
>> youngest brother Alexander. May I ask what is your interest in this
>> issue?
>> With monsoon-warm regards,
>> Tom
>> On Jun 8, 2005, at 01:02, Cal Campbell wrote:
>>> Sorry, I meant that the 4th was a cousin. When the 3rd Earl died, the
>>> earldom was not passed along the 3rd's bloodline, but went to a cousin.
>>> What I was asking for is the relationship, the common ancestor of
>>> these two that would make them cousins.
>>>
>>> Cal
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diarmid Campbell"
>>> <diarmid(a)diarmid.fsnet.co.uk>
>>> To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 5:19 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [CAMPBELL] Earls of Breadalbane
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cal,
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like incest or misprint.
>>>>
>>>> Diarmid
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cal Campbell [mailto:bbatdega@bellsouth.net]
>>>> Sent: 07 June 2005 07:51
>>>> To: CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>> Subject: [CAMPBELL] Earls of Breadalbane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just read an article that stated that the 3rd Earl of Breadalbane,
>>>> John
>>>> Campbell was acousin of the John Campbell, 3rd Earl of Breadalbane.
>>>> Can
>>>> anyone show me the actual line of both?
>>>>
>>>> Cal
>>>>
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