The further I go the more confused I become. Ain't genealogy fun???
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From: campbell-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:campbell-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Lisa Grimes
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:32 PM
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Campbell] CAMPBELL - BARBER's
Hi Mickey and all,
Sorry to be so tardy in replying. Christmas and farm chores had to come
first.
Now...our exchange centered around CAMPBELL, BARBER and then TN.
You wrote
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2. Campbells and Barbers (Mickey Fournier)
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Lisa: Please don't apologize for jumping in. That's what the list is for,
after all. I am including the list in this reply in the hope that somebody
can help us solve our puzzles.
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Well...I generally stay out of the various discussions, but on this one I
figured that a set of questions might just assist us both. *S*
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The first BARBER/CAMPBELL connection that I have found was in Fairfield
County, SC. William CAMPBELL bought land from William WILEY in 1799 with
David CAMPBELL and James BARBER as witnesses. Then in 1805, William sold the
land back to WILEY with witnesses William ADAMS, James BARBER and John
BARBER. Now, again, I am stymied, though. I have found no absolute proof
that this was my William - no wife signed the deed and there was another,
older, William who was still there after our guy left.
William Campbell was in Tennessee before 1810 because he had a son born in
that state that year. We can first place him , with any degree of certainty,
in Williamson County in 1814 when he had a son born there. William sold out
in Williamson and was in Hickman in time for the 1820 census where he had
neighbors SHARPs, ADLETTs (spelled a half dozen ways), James YOUNG, BINGHAM,
several HARDERs and other names that later become connected to the family. I
always figured his wife's folks may be among them but I cannot prove that
either.
William's other sons:
1. James born SC 1802
2. John born SC 1804
3. LEWIS born SC or NC 1806
4. William b. TN (unknown county) 1810
5. Hiram b. TN (Williamson) 1814
6. a son born about 1820, possibly Duncan, but he is not proven here.
7. Richard (my ancestor) (Hickman) 1821
8. another son b. between 1820 and 1825, possibly Samuel but he is not
proven either.
No BARBERs living especially near him at that time although Alan, Mary, Zeba
and Abram BARBER were in the same county living near Richard Campbell's son,
Hiram and Richard's brother-in-law Arthur SMITH.
Yes, indeed, sometimes when you can't get in the genealogical front door,
you can find a side door that opens!
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The BARBER names that you have listed...are not familiar to me....but that
could just be because they could be a lateral line. Possibly from one of
George BARBER Sr's...currently unknown siblings. So far we only know of Sr.
It's why we're working to locate a couple more of our proven BARBER lines,
for more DNA tests (need 3)....so that we can get our own BARBER Group #.
*S*
With SC...definitely sitting inbetween NC and GA...I figure that there's
probably at least one BARBER line that could be the culprit. They could
connect to me.
Mickey...if in your digging...you run across a male BARBER of this other
line maybe we can get them to DNA test. At this time it looks like our best
chance is to do a cross-match to see if there's a blood kinship.
Okay...there was a William CAMPBELL, actually two William's, in the area of
Wilkes Co. GA. This is shortly after the 1783 Indian Treaty where the area
that would become Wilkes, Morgan and Oglethorpe Co's were included.
On the 1796 Tax Lists....I found:
Charles CAMPBELL .........now proven as "Charles CAMPBELL Snr"
Charles CAMPBELL..........projected as son of Charles CAMPBELL Snr Leni
(Levi, Levy) CAMPBELL................this fellow is my line William
CAMPBELL, on his own land....this is projected to be 'old William'
_____ unnamed deceased son of old William who managed said land Robert
CAMMEL
Lorany(Campbell) Watkins, widow of Benjamin WATKINS Moses
WATKINS................................m. 1st, Kissiah (Keziah) CAMPBELL
...and several more of this same WATKINS family.
I don't have much for when any of these moved to TN...but I know that from
1787
thru 1807..they were in the part of Wilkes Co. that became Oglethorpe Co. in
1793.
1806-1807 saw a shift of some of the CAMPBELL's to Morgan Co., GA.
Morgan Co. GA is a close neighbor of Wilkes and Oglethorpe Co.'s GA.
There was also a John CAMPBELL..but like Robert CAMMEL, I have nothing in
the way of information on him. Just know he was not a land owner there in
GA.
There are two Williams noted on the records...with the older William denoted
with the term......'old William' CAMPBELL. Especially once the younger
William married 'old William' CAMPBELL's daughter, Elizabeth. *S*
It was the younger William CAMPBELL, and wife Elizabeth, that made the move
to TN. I don't have the GA Census for 1810...so I can't say whether they
left GA before...or after that date, but they were of child rearing ages.
Wherever it was that they landed in TN...they were in the company of;
Laurany (Lorany, Lorane, etc.) CAMPBELL (Watkins, Davis)
...her 2nd husband, Sherwood DAVIS
...and Laban WATKINS, son of Laurany and Benjamin WATKINS
I am not sure...when Laurany and Sherwood left TN, after 1815 and before
1830, but they did migrate down into the MS Territory. This is today's AL
and MS area.
Reports are that there was a group of CAMPBELL that also made this same TN >
MS Territory migration.
Unfortunately.........I don't know who these CAMPBELL"s were. :o(
Now...another question...to the group at large.
Is there anyone from CAMPBELL DNA Group #40...on this list??
If we can't follow our Charles CAMPBELL Sr.'s ...direct line backwards from
1787, maybe we can sort these CAMPBELL's that date back to earlier times,
and then move forward. It's at least...worth a try. *S*
Here's hoping that everyone had a wonderful Holiday,
Lisa
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Grimes [mailto:kcks@gorge.net <mailto:kcks@gorge.net> ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 3:25 AM
To: csclark01(a)sbcglobal.net
Cc: mwfournier(a)comcast.net
Subject: RE: CAMPBELL and BARBER
Carolyn and Mickey,
I apologize. I don't mean to be jumping in here...on your conversation, but
....you have definitely managed to get my attention. *S*
It's NOT often that I see...CAMPBELL's and BARBER's in the same posts.
I'll limit my intrusion...by mentioning that my CAMPBELL's are 'supposed'
to have had a line move to TN...just after 1800. The area was centered in
the Bedford, Coffee, and Lincoln Co's area. At least that is what I have
figured.
On the "Old Natchez Trace"...there was a Way Station called,
"Campbell's",
and this is the Inn that 'uncle Buck' had spent several days. With the
Innkeeper refusing pay for food/lodging.....claiming kinship.
His name...William CAMPBELL.
Even on the later maps...this "Campbell Station"...was noted. Over the
years, as I was working on my father's TN lines...I kept stumbling across
this...and it just hadn't occurred to me that this set of CAMPBELL's could
be related to my mother's CAMPBELL's.
Then...once I discovered a sibling, Laurany, for my supposedly 'only child
Levi'...and discovered that she had moved to TN w/ a William CAMPBELL's
group.
The dots started to connect!!! *S*
Now that we have the CAMPBELL DNA results...if we can find a male of this
set, we could settle the part of my puzzle once and for all. *S*
With that said, and taking a moment to mention that I recently posted
looking for Charles and Levy (Levi) CAMPBELL's, I wanted to mention that my
WATKINS ...is also connected to BARBER.
In fact...Levi's wife, Sarah WATKINS, was the daughter of Sarah BARBER.
Sarah BARBER m. at age 14, in 1754...Reace WATKINS Sr.
This line is the George BARBER Sr m. Elizabeth (??Moore??) of Augusta Co.VA.
George BARBER Sr died young, leaving Elizabeth with 3 small children, Sarah,
George Jr and Plyer BARBER. As with most widow's of her day....she
re-married. Her 2nd husband was Mathew PATTON.
Quick time line....
Just after 1760...they moved down to the area of Wake-Johnston Co.'s NC.
Just after 1784...some of the family (BARBER, WATKINS, PATTON) moved on down
to Wilkes Co. GA. At that time...some also stayed in NC.
Between 1800-1820...several of these lines moved west into TN, MS and AL.
In the year 1810, my own line...went to LA, via Wilkinson Co. MS for a
layover, and then in 1811 they continued on into the Lafayette and Vermilion
Parishes LA.
This was when my line lost contact with those who had left GA or would be
leaving.
There is a good possibility...that the BARBER's you mention are a part of my
BARBER's. A line of my WATKINS also went to TN from GA and it's not beyond
the realm of possibility...that some of my BARBER's went to TN too.
Do you happen to know some of the history behind the group of BARBER's that
you mentioned in your posts??
To help you....I'm including this URL:
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/> *****
My cousin, David W. Morgan, is the main researcher of our lines and this is
his website. His published book on the BARBER line is online there. *S*
OH! I almost forgot to mention it. We've managed to find a descendant of
Plyer BARBER's...and we're all now waiting for the DNA results. So that if
you know of someone for the other BARBER's...a comparison may be in the
offing.
Sometimes...I find that stepping a little sideways...helps to find family.
*S*
Wishing all....a very Merry Christmas,
Lisa Grimes
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Reace WATKINS Sr. (b. PA) m. Sarah BARBER (b. Augusta Co. VA)
Sarah WATKINS (b. 1763 Johnston Co. NC) m. Levi (Levy) CAMPBELL
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