I can document him in the parish registers back to one James Milton
estimated to have been born in 1635 in Deskford, but some of the connections
don't feel right...naming issues. There were many Milton's in Deskford and
surrounding parishes, as far away as Marnoch, which is where my discomfort
occurs. Do you want the whole thing? Marnoch would be OK except that the
father was Andrew and that name is not used for any of the next generation's
children. The children in Marnoch were born 1768-1789. Again, I have
baptisms to connect to my great grandfather, but are they the correct ones?
I don't think it's the American Revolution. My GGF went to Canada in 1852,
came home and returned in 1858. I can document him in Ontario in the 1861
census.
So back to my question - is there any way to discover what the original name
might have been?
Thanks,
Glenda
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On Behalf Of donnascif via
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 10:20 PM
To: misterrelative(a)gmail.com; campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Campbell] Oral history
Just a few thoughts.
1. Not Battle of Culloden which was 16 April 1746.
2. Do you know his wife's name, date of birth, parents? Can online and free
search of church records for the area he came from. If get marriage
certificate they often listed parents names.
3. Check IGI of LDS church. They will list names of people and when you look
at the records, it will state if parents info is available.
Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: CR Campbell via <campbell(a)rootsweb.com>
To: Glenda Mattes <touchdirt(a)comcast.net>; campbell <campbell(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 2, 2015 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Campbell] Oral history
Oops, sorry I misspelled your name Glenda.
One more thought. Another conflict the family may have ended up on the wrong
side of would be the American Revolutionary War. Many "loyalists fled to
Canada, and those ofscottish decent might have found there way to Nova
Scotia..."new scotland"...I think it is...only to return after the war,
particulalrly if they head "out west"...think Mid-Western states...early
1800's.
I have quite a few of those on my maternal side...
ttyl Christopher Campbell
From: CR Campbell [mailto:misterrelative@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 8:55 PM
To: Glenda Mattes; campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Campbell] Oral history
Hi Glenda,
I don't know about MacDuff. Although it seems they did inhabit Banffshire.
The was a MacArthur of Milton, who traced his descent from the MacArthur's
of Tirivadich, which is supposedly the chiefly line of clan MacArthur.
My particular line of Campbell shares a rare-ish genetic STR marker with
MacArthur. The Archibald Campbell who was made Laird over the lands our
family were tenant famers on...was appointed such at the same time
Tirivadich was given to Patrick MacArthur.
The wrong side of a conflict that might be referred to would in this case be
Argyll's Rebellion (9th Campbell Earl) and Monmouth's Rebellion in
England...1685-ish, a joint venture if you will, and unsuccessful.
My ancestors participated in the rebellion and were banished to the
plantations in the Colony of East New Jersey.
In the clan system, many times if you were a tenant farmer of a Lairds land,
you would take the Lairds name... This happened quite often and is why were
finding not all Campbell's are Campbell's originally... so name changes were
not unusual on account of being a tenant.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Church of Scotland before 1689 was
Episcopal, and afterwards Presbyterian...and around 1685 these two factions
did not see eye to eye to say the least. IIRC the 8th Earl Campbell
(Marquis?) was a major force behind the Presbyterian movement.
So, there's a very loose link between Milton, MacArthur and Campbell. And
the conflict may have been before the "15" and "45" (1715 and 1745
Jacobite
rebellions)...
Hope that points to things to dig into...
Christopher Campbell
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Glenda Mattes via <campbell(a)rootsweb.com>
wrote:
I have an old family story. I hope someone can help shed some
light.
My great grandfather, George Milton was born in Deskford, Banffshire
in 1835, died in 1927 in Kansas, USA.
He told his children that Milton was not the original family name,
that they had to change it when they got on the wrong side of some
conflict. There are notes left by his daughters saying that it may
have been MacDuff. One of his son's middle name was Campbell. The
family was Church of Scotland.
I've wondered if the conflict could had some connection to the events
at Culloden - or earlier?
Does anyone else have a similar story? I'm looking for clues.
Thank you
Glenda Mattes
Boston, MA
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