Diarmid,
Would you also send me some of this information. I would like to also study
it and compair it to some of the information I have collected. Should be
able to start sorting, compiling etc. in Sept.
Beth
-----Original Message-----
From: Diarmid Campbell <diarmid(a)diarmid.fsnet.co.uk>
To: CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, April 01, 2001 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Drumaboden & Abingdon VA Campbellshttp:
Jim,
That is a big help. Many thanks. Perhaps I must have been wrong about
Texas if you are descended from Captain Campbell of Halls Bottom? But I
will get off list and talk to you direct since I would like to
send(airmail)
you an article on the family in the Holston River Valley to see how
much of
it chimes with what you have. I put it together for the Clan Campbell
Society quarterly Journal a few years ago. It was all from "secondary
sources" (i.e. not from document research in archives but from published
sources) so has nothing very original except an attempt to put together a
series of different elements separately published. I would like your
comments on it.
For a while the log house at Halls Bottom survived inside a later frame
house there. I will have to check my article to see whether it is still
there. Sadly General Campbell of King's Mountain's house near Abingdon is
being allowed to collapse from neglect. A beautiful old 18th century
place.
I could put you in touch with your cousin Col. Campbell if you like.
Many thanks for Phil Norfleet's site address. I will take a look at that.
I will also print out your genealogy you sent and add it to my VA Campbells
file - for some reason they intrigue me greatly and I am delighted to link
up with you.
I cannot accept that we will not eventually find their origins in Ireland
and possibly also in Scotland if they were Campbells rather than
MacCumhails
originally - I sense that they were of Campbell stock because of
certain
characteristics but that is merely a hunch and no use in genealogy.
I think that some of the early material must be wrong and the only way is
to
go back to the documents which i believe Phil Norfleet has done. Too
many
people forget to keep a record of where each fact was found.
I will look out my article and be back in touch.
All best, Diarmid
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Campbell <blacksnake6(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: Drumaboden & Abingdon VA Campbellshttp:
> I hope I can a little bit.
> Phil Norfleet's site is :
http://members.tripod.com/~philnorf/
> Also you have found another direct descendant of the Campbells of Holston
> River who still ,quite proudly, carries the Campbell name.
> Almost all of my information is from Pilchers book "Historical Sketches
of
> the Campbell, Pilcher and and Kindred Families."
> This book was bought by my grandfather, James L. Campbell, M. D. in April
of
> 1918 and has been in the family since. I dont believe that my grandfather
or
> father, both doctors were the ones you met. We have no relatives in
Texas,
> in fact my son and I are the last ones to carry the Campbell
name.
> Page 22 states as follows:
> David Campbell, the youngest son of John Campbell and Grissel Hay, his
wife,
> was called 'White David.' He was born on March 8, 1716, at
'Drumboden,'
near
> Londonderry, Ireland. He died on October 19, 1790."
> One of his sons was Arthur Campbell who was captured by the Indians. He
> married Margaret Campbell, who was his first cousin, and sister of
William
> Campbell, of Kings Mountain.
> White David had a son named David Campbell, born April 12, 1750 in
Augusta
> County, Virginia and died November 21, 1812 in Washington County
Tennessee.
> He has frequently been referred to as Judge David Campbell.
> Judge David married Elizabeth Outlaw from Duplin County North Carolina. I
> have confrimed this from information received from books on the Outlaw
> family.
> Other than Leaves of the Family Tree Campbell I have no further
information
> on the Campbell family prior to their coming to this country. I feel
quite
> certain of the my descendancy as I have a diary written by
Thomas
Jefferson
> Campbell, b. February 22, 1793, d April 13, 1850.This has been in the
> family since it was written.
> I hope this 'ramble' is of help to you and anyone else.
>
> Jim Campbell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diarmid Campbell [mailto:diarmid@diarmid.fsnet.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 2:48 AM
> To: CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Drumaboden & Abingdon VA Campbells
>
>
> Jim,
>
> When you have time I would be grateful if you (or anyone else who is
> knowlegeable on the subject)could throw any light on a question here.
>
> I am wondering whether there is confusion between two lines of Campbells
who
> came from Ireland to Virginia and to Tennessee in the 18th and early 19th
> centuries.
>
> The Campbells from Drumaboden (if I remember rightly) came later than the
> John Campbell who came to PA in circa.1730 and who then moved to VA
(Augusta
> county?) and was ancestor of General William Campbell of Salt Lick and
> King's Mountain and those Campbells in the Holston River Valley. So far I
> have only found two descendants of the Holston River Campbells still with
> the Campbell name - one is Col. Samuel Campbell in Bristol VA whose
family
> went up a creek in the mountains and stayed in the hills for
several
> generations. We have corresponded. The other was a doctor (I think) in
> Texas about 30 or so years ago who was a descendant of the Campbells of
> Halls Bottom (cousins of Gen. Wm. Campbell) near Abingdon VA (in the
Holston
> River Valley and not far from Salt Lick). I have not been able to track
> down the doctor's family.
>
> I have not found any descendants of other members of the family - the
> Campbell Treasurer of the US (I don't think he married); David Campbell,
> Governor of VA (who I don't think had children); or Gen. Arthur Campbell
who
> was captured as a 16 yer old boy by tribal people in the French-Indian
War
> and after he escaped, served in the army and retired, went to his
lands
in
> KY.
>
> The Holston River Campbells may be those written up in Margaret Pilcher's
> book? Or am I confusing them with another family - my copy of teh book
is
> in storage. It is the part before John (living in 1730) for
which no
> documentary support can be found in Ireland - the mention of Duncan
Campbell
> and Mary McCoy etc.
>
> I believe I once met a Campbell of the Drumaboden family (he lived in TN)
> who had gone back to Northern Ireland and the house was still standing -
a
> solid old place of stone and a slate roof - but it was neglected.
It was
> across the lough (loch) to the west and a bit north of Londonderry. He
sent
> me a picture which was published in the CCS(NA) quarterly Journal.
>
> If I remember rightly, he told me there was a book about the Drumaboden
> Campbells who came straight to TN from Ireland - possibly in the late
18th
> or early 19th C. He said the book had Drumaboden in the title I
beleive -
> possibly 'The Campbells of Drumaboden' (perhaps you have
it and it was
you
I
> met?!) If it can be found (perhaps through the Library of Congress
list?)
> it might be worth checking to see whether (A) there was confusion
(by
> Pilcher?) between John Campbell (1730) and Drumaboden in terms of Duncan
> Campbell and Mary McCoy. Or (B) in fact John was from Drumaboden.
>
> Two different lots of the Clan Campbell Society (NA) members have over
the
> years put together funds to employ a Northern Ireland researcher
to try
to
> find any traces of (1) Duncan Campbell and Mary McCoy or (2) Rev.
Dougall
> Campbell, said in the mistaken Campbell of Auchinbreck article in Burke's
> 'Baronetage and Peerage' to have been descended from Auchinbreck.
>
> Nothing was found on Duncan Campbell and Mary McCoy in the records. Rev.
> Dougall was found but not of a date to connect to his proposed Scottish
> ancestry.
>
> I still wonder whether we may yet get to the bottom of the mystery.
>
> Is the Drumaboden family the one where their link to Scotland is said to
be
> a Colonel William (?) who descended from the Campbells of Wester Kames on
> the Isle of Bute, only when you look closely the dates could not possibly
> work?
>
> On the 'black' and 'white' Davids it was very common in the Highlands
and
> also Ireland to give people a by-name based on hair color. My impression
> was that one must have been white blond and the other very black haired.
> Complexion didn't seem to have had much to do with it - other than a man
> with black hair may have had a heavy beard. But I may ahve mentioned that
> before.
>
> All the best, Diarmid
> (in Argyll in Scotland)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Campbell <blacksnake6(a)earthlink.net>
> To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:03 AM
> Subject: RE: John Campbell
>
>
> > My information is that John Campbell, b. August 16, 1674 in Drumboden,
> > Ireland, married Grace Hay about 1695 in Orange, Va. She was born abt.
> 1675
> > and died abt. 1770.
> > I have his father as Duncan Campbell and his mother as Mary McCoy.
> Everyone
> > I have talked to say that anything before John and Grace, or Grissel,
is
> > suspect. Diarmid Campbell has said the same on this list.
> > You might want to Phil Norfleet's site. I can't remember where it is,
but
> I
> > did find it with my browser. He has a great deal of information. The
son
> of
> > John and Grace that is my 5th great grandfather is David, b. August 8,
in
> > Drumboden, Ireland and died 1791 in Washington County Va. He is refered
to
> > as "White David" due to his blond hair and to differentiate from his
> cousin
> > "Black David," who was dark complected.
> > There is also a very hard to find work by Penelope Johnson Allen tittle
> > "Leaves of the Family Tree Campbell. It was originaly published in the
> > Chattanooga whatever newspaper.
> > The Chattanooga Chapter of the DAR is the Judge David Campbell Chapter.
He
> > is the son of White David.
> >
> > Jim Campbell
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HOOVER FAMILY [mailto:HOOVER@NETVA.COM]
> > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:50 PM
> > To: CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: John Campbell
> >
> >
> > I apologize. The Captain John Campbell I am looking for was in
Southwest
> > Virginia, Rich Valley, VA. He married Mary Martin and then Elizabeth
> Smith.
> > This John (John II) was born in 1768. I have read reports which say he
> was
> > born in Ireland and then some say Pennsylvania.
> > I am mostly looking for information regarding his parents. They
reported
> to
> > be John (John the first) and Grissel "Grace" Hay Campbell. I have
this
> John
> > as being born in 1674 and married in 1695 to Grace. She died at the age
of
> > 93 it is reported. How old would she have been if Capt. John was born
in
> > 1768?
> >
> > judy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <C3J7M9(a)aol.com>
> > To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: John Campbell
> >
> >
> > > Where?
> > >
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