THINKING OUT SIDE OF THE BOX; THANKS AT
Campbell_KIDS, I have either been deleteed Or recently TRASHED, as there
are those who imply that if it doesen't fit they
their_____________________???, it just AIN'T, These Four words are THE foundation for
Genealogical Brick Wall one will everb encounter <IT JUST CAIN'T BE> Closer
research & their Great Grand Parents were First Cousins.
POTENTIAL, In my opinion should rate right up near the top very far fron
<FACT> Because with out Potential JUST why would one be concerned with
geneklogical Research??/ Yet Campbell_KIDS have proment Advocators that do not
Have, Potential in their Vocabulary, With out SOME DFEGREE of imagenation,.
Now here is where comes one Very important. QUESTION, What is an IDEA but
Imaganation, <AKA> =ing Imaganation> Thanks, CUZ Marge reckonizes That,
Where otherwise I so often GET Trashed.
I am inclined to believe that the pre Wright Brothers Mind set is a Road
block to genealogical RESEARCH_SILENCE Would be Golden.
Example, Had Cuz Shirley Craft said that she was going to Caroline County
to look for information about OUR Ole George campbell-- And some one who
believedn that OUR Campbell's came in to the US in a Northern PORT, there
would have been some one teling her that she was waisting time, POINT,
Either encourge/Help with another's ideas OR KEEP QUITE!, always SHOOTING some
one down is not funny,
OH IT May boost an EGO BUT IS NOT FUNNY.
LIKE Emails, Sure some seem unimportant, But In have thake those seemingly
Usless E-Mails & find some important Answers with in
MY Late mothers Father was a Very wise older Man in My Developing Years,
&one of his Sayings WAS A Still tounge is wise Head, I know that i do not
always practice that, BUT it so often proves TRUE.
MY idea, How would I feel- IF that person Said to or About Me what i am
About to say to or about that person, Which so often leads me to the
Conclusion that I have Nothing to SAY. MY Late Mother alwats told us if you have
nothing Good to say about some one to say nothing. that silence is Golden.
SO now cousins lets get busy in our family research,
__________???? Old folks tales, AKA Heritage Books/ How do we Know Which
was the Origin of them Courthouse records, What ever we read, & or where
we read it it ALL Came from Some HUMANS Head, What ever may be thought,
Just where else is there for a record to Come from???
NOW, TYPO'S, Misprints, &n ADD ONS, I Know that Some people Just Add what
they Find on to their POSTINGS.
Authintisity, GREAT, the names started in the 1859 U. S. Census, More tan
likely The fatherb gave the Enumarater the Information, Ma was to
bashfull & the Kids were Too young, But in Later years, Some of the Children had
been to School some, So they procfeded to give the Famiky Information, A
Nick name or Where Dad Gave the First Names Sis was Just as apt to use a Midle
name Or the family Nick Name:
NO NO NO,i can hear those with a short Memory Yelling, OK Maybe you have
only Seen only one Years Census for a family. When My late sister Ora Lee
Powell Lankford, went down to the Library of va, she Coppied more than one
year, To see the descrepencies. in Diffeent Years Census for the Same Family,
Different Apelling. & different names Meaning that Different People gave
the Information, OF Course Many people would think that only one year is
enough, BUT not always the Whole Story, OR Just Maybe Never thought iof,
another reason FOR Imagenation. Fore sight, Potentional. Instead of Stiffeling
some one with SNIDE Remarks. Please permit OUR fellow Researchers to work
with their open mind. In researching Ones family there may be those who
think that they know it All, But no one KNOWS IT ALL
Thar iz stories in EM mountians what have always been Thar & we
wil neva get em all, ALL tellers of tall tales, which color all of the
recolections of ANcestry have been adlibed, Course some of the Human group have
NO ROOM for Potentional. I used to love to set & listen to My Late Mothers
Father &n Her Brothers tell of their version of their Growing UP in
Temprence Magistricdal District of Amherst County
VIRGINIA, My Grandaddy Campbell's Mothe was A school Teacher, She had two
cheldren, Grand Dady & his lil Sister, Lucy, their Mother Had to foot the
Whole Bill, Grt Grand Pa Died early, Wonder Why, But they are burried on
Opiside sides of rhe Cemetery At Embleys GAP UPAR in Nelson County, Granny
Phrony, Taught School forb a Room & Board for her & the Two KIDS, The Family
Storyn was that Grand Daddy slept on a Pallket on the Floor, As Aunt Lucy
would not Sleep in the trundle BED < That was a rig that when the Baby was
out to sleep the Trundle bed was Shuveduner teb Main Badd, Well Aunt Lucfy
would not Sleep there So Granny Made the Baby a bed in the Dreser Drawer.
OF Course, There are some that have no room for out side of the BOX> NOW
JUST let me be ME. CUZ AT _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:email@example.com)
In a message dated 7/28/2011 12:00:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Do you know what the + and O stand for next to the names? I notice Ambrose
As for Washington as a name (George Washington).
George Washington was about 20 when he became a military man..he was in
the French & Indian Wars...he and his family were very well off financially,
and also held in high esteem...for a person to name a child for this family
would not be that far fetched..even well before GW became president. He
was in a lot of battles (if RW pension files are correct) in and around
Amherst...also, he was a surveyor...and helped to survey Culpepper county, VA
Wether some descendant tacked the Washington onto George Campbell may
never be really clear...but it would have helped them keep the George's
I found a record in the RW files for a Patrick Campbell...at first I
thought it said "A Patrick Campbell"...meaning a man named Patrick
Campbell...and that may be correct...but...he had a son named Adam Patrick Campbell.
This son went by "A. Patrick Campbell"...so maybe his dad did also? The son
was called Patrick. It's also not uncommon for the first and middle names to
be used interchangebly..giving one the idea that there were two people
(Adam & Patrick, for instance), when in fact it was one man, going by both his
given and middle name.
I've looked at Lawrence/Laurence Campbell in the RWPensions...he served,
and then also substituted for his father (also Laurence Campbell). I think
that's documentation enough to show there was a Laurence/Lawrence Sr &
Jr...but we find nothing much on the Sr...who was infirm and not able to serve.
I agree with A T.... we just need to Never say NEVER...and we need to be
more willing to think outside the box, which is what A T is doing. If we
don't, we may miss some vital clue(s).
--- In _campbell_kids(a)yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org) , "Lynden Harris"
I don't know why I am doing this......3 years ago when I did this
George that married Elizabeth I sent all the documents to all the
Campbell-kids detailing the proof.
Attached is page 1 of a roster of Amherst County men in the military as
October 1781. Go to column 3 and you will find that ole George
Campbell is listed. George that married Margaret is deceased by now as his will
was probated in 1777. Son George was in the regular army or the Continental
Army. Refer to the 1783 Amherst county census and you will find only 2
George Campbells - father and son.
The below letter written in 2008 got me muster documents for George that
Elizabeth and the attachments I refer to are extract copies of
pages from the Amherst County Lost Order Books during the Revolution 1776-1783
copied by Lenora Higginbotham Sweeney and available in most libraries. I
recently moved and I have no idea where these documents are and I am not
going hunting. Your library may have this book as ever Va Library I have been
in has a copy.
Below my letter to the Archives is an extract from the internet that you
up and find over 13,000 soldiers including our George Campbell
that was at the battle of Saratoga. One of our Campbell-kids member joined
the DAR using this record and the family tree of our George Campbell. If you
descend from this family of George and Elizabeth I will gladly put you guys
together but if I recall you descend from Edward? BH
National Archives & Records Administration
Old Military and Civil Records (NWCTB-Military) 13 January 2008
Textual Service Division
700 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
Washington, DC 2040800001
Attachment 2, confirms that our George Campbell of Amherst County
serving during the month of December 1777, with Captain Taliaferro
in Morgan's Riflemen. Attachment 3, is confirming that our George Campbell
of Amherst County Virginia was serving during the period July - November
1777, under the command of Captain Cabell and Colonel Daniel Morgan's
Riflemen, of the 6th Regiment, of the Continental Army.
THE SARATOGA CAMPAIGN OF THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR
September - October 1777
Heritage Hunters is proud to have this national park as part of our rich
historical tradition in Saratoga County. The park commemorates the two
battles fought there during the Revolutionary War. Of these two battles of
Saratoga, also known as the Battles of Bemis Heights or of Stillwater, the
second was the first great victory of the Americans and was deemed by many
historians to be the turning point of the Revolutionary War.
The British campaign was designed to split the colonies by taking
control of the
Hudson River. General John Burgoyne was to advance south from
Canada, General Barry St. Leger east along the Mohawk River and Sir Henry
Clinton (replacing Sir William Howe) north from New York City. Neither St. Leger
nor Clinton was successful, leaving Burgoyne's forces alone in the
campaign. Burgoyne easily took Fort Ticonderoga but suffered a stinging defeat in
an attempted raid on Bennington.
Burgoyne continued south, crossing the Hudson River on September 13,
halting near the Saratoga site of what is now the village of
Schuylerville. The Americans, under the leadership of General Horatio Gates, assisted
by Major Generals Benedict Arnold and Benjamin Lincoln, Colonel Daniel
Morgan's corp of Indian fighters, and other Continental and Militia troops were
entrenched at Bemis Heights. With American forces threatening his rear,
Burgoyne attempted to break through on September 19th but the engagement was
indecisive. He attempted a second breakthrough on October 7th, but was
repulsed and forced to retreat eight miles back to old Saratoga. The British
entrenched there, but surrounded by American forces and low on supplies, were
forced to surrender on October 17th.
The Saratoga National Historical Park has amassed a wealth of documents
to this period and has graciously allowed Heritage Hunters
volunteers to examine, evaluate, and record for our SaratogaCoWebPage, information
regarding those who fought there. The Park Superintendent, Frank Dean, has
appointed Rangers Gina Johnson and Eric Schnitzer to function in liaison
with Heritage Hunters and they are providing valuable guidance in this
These records have been developed from various reference materials
maintained by National Park personnel and volunteers. We have also
been able to utilize reference materials maintained by others across the
country who have been generous in their contribution of additional
information. The "Ref." listed with each record provides reference information.
these references see below this foreword or use the link under the index
above. Persons are included who were at or in support of the engagements
between the date of the first battle and the surrender of Burgoyne.
Heritage Hunters volunteers have spent many hours scrutinizing these
including some very old handwritten records, to develop the
information below. Those volunteers include Fletcher Blanchard, Karen Clark, John
Paris and others. Harold Howe spent considerable time researching and
organizing this project. Frank Goodway has edited the data into a web page
format and has provided additional information from other sources.
A major source for information about New Yorkers at the battles has been
E. Lampson. He has furnished materials about the 2nd and 4th NY
Continental Line regiments (cited as NY04) and has put together a large
compilation of pensions, payroll and lists regarding the 10th Albany Militia
regiment (cited as DL01). His contribution is greatly appreciated. The
materials he has provided have turned over to the Saratoga National Park.
As with any such project, please consider this a "work in progress." We
would appreciate learning of any errors or omissions and would be pleased
to correct or augment any of these records with new valid information.
Please direct such information to:
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CAMPBELL, George VA Private, Capt. Cabell's co., Col. Daniel Morgan's
Riflemen; from Jul to Nov 1777. Ref. NA03
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