I have to agree with Robert-- My Campbell's are all from Scotland in fact I
am only 2nd generation here in South Africa, so all my research has been in
Scotland and I have yet to hear the word caste mentioned. Class yes, caste
no. The caste system is mostly referred to in the Asias (India in
particular) and a bit in parts of Africa.
Liz Langmann (ms Campbell)
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From: "Robert Goodwin" <bob_goodwin(a)byu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Campbell] PLEASE RE-READ
There was no CASTE system in either the Americas or the United
There has been no class system in the America's either. In Great Britain
there was a class system in place if you consider the Nobels vs. Gentlemen
vs. the peasants. This was a Class not a Caste system. All it took was
someone being knighted or given a title to move from Gentleman to Nobel.
All it took was owning enough land to collect rents to move from being a
commoner (peasant) to being a Gentleman. Movement between these classes
could happen within even one or two generations.
The Black and White David Campbells are well documented. There were
however many other Campbell families around in Virginia in the 1700s, even
in Augusta and surrounding counties. I spent one year researching for a
woman, a Campbell family that came from Penn. To Augusta County, and
eventually into Tenn. And found many other Campbell families in the area
not related to either Black David or White David.
Scotland did not have a Caste system either. To become a Laird all you had
to do is somehow own some land. All land owners were termed as Lairds in
the Highlands. If you owned enough land and had enough renters under you,
you could supply the King with men for his armies. If you supplied enough
men, or did special favors for the King you could be appointed a Knight
and eventually receive a title. Most of our Campbells from Scotland were
related to land owning Campbells. A good Scot could recite his pedigree
back several generations, and could tell you how he was related to just
about anyone else in the area. The Campbells in Ireland are a different
matter. Many of them were of native Irish ancestry, and technically not
related to the Campbells in Scotland. This has been proved out with DNA.
Many Irish Campbells took on the Surname of Campbell for protection.
From: Atpowelljr(a)aol.com [mailto:Atpowelljr@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 10:39 AM
To: Robert Goodwin
Subject: Fwd: PLEASE RE-READ
Sent: 4/12/2011 12:27:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: PLEASE RE-READ
CUZ, I did not say that any one came from the Piedmont Area of Va. I feel
sure that OUR Campbell's Came into the US Through a Port in Pa. BUT I
believe that OUR Campbell's were of the LOW CASTE, No mention of CLASS.
Sure there were Afluent Campbell's, They were Known as THE BLACK & WHITE
<COLOR OF THEIR HAIR> That Group Settled in the area that is to day
Augusta County, Please Look it up . Norfleet Has a Complete record of
those Campbell's & there is no indication that there was ever any
Connection to OUR Campbell's.
OUR Campbell's eased into the Mountians of the area that is to day Nelson
county Va. It has been well suported that Our Campbell's Did not own Land
untill very late in the 18th Centry. & the First records of Our Campbell's
was in the REV WAR.
AND the designation WAS Caste Not Class, In America Acording the 14th
Amendment there is NO CLASS in America. The Claus in the 14 th Amendment.
No Discrimination Reguardles of Race, Creed Or Color Rules out Citizen
Clasification, <CASTE> Comes from the Scotts . AND the Black & White David
Campbell's were from the HIGH CASTE.
CUZ AT firstname.lastname@example.org<mailto:email@example.com>
_Scots-Irish - people.Virginia.EDU_
) PLEASE Left Click, I did
not find our Ancestors By Name, BUT,
This account of early Human Movement sounds so much like I believe that
people made their way into America, i believe that Our campbell's being
the Low Caste,that they managed to Quitely drift in to what was at the
time, New3 kent county & in 1720 it became Hanover count, in 1742 Louisa
county in 1744 Albemarle county, in 1761 Amherst county, in 1808 Nelson
Va, With New Kent & Hanover County records destroyed in 1865, About the
Best we will ever be able to ascertain our Campbell family's entry, Will
to Guess, & this is My guess, AU AH UR & you will still be Guessing.
MY guesstamation, is that a RAG-TAG group Of Scott/Irsh Vagabounds
Scampered down tha trail to nthe Mountains Of Current Nelson county, Va.
& Squated in EM arr MTNS. Existing at Hard scrable Mtn. Farming, Staying
much to them selves as Posiable, With a smallto no education, records
of little concern, OUR ancestour DID NOT TRUST Government OR Strange
People then Nor have their Descendants changed Much to This Day. CUZ A
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