I think the Celts were from many places but our earliest knowledge of
a people that arceologists and the leading History people call Celts is
a place in Austria called Halstatt. The inhabitants of this area grew
rich from local salt mining, in those days salt was like gold because it
preserved meat and im sure had other attributes as well, anyway what im
trying to get at here is that this was the true Celtic hinterland. They
eventually spred out in many directions, there was a wide range of
tribes all the way from Spain and the Brittish Isles and anything in
between to Turkey The Galations spoke of in the Bible are the Celts.
Happy New Year to you as well.
Thank you for answering my E-mail I consider it an honor. You
continue to entrall us all with your knowledge of Scotland and any
subject there in. The Galloglass have always facinated me, is there a
list of Galloglass families I know Sweenies were a big Mercenary
family. Im not sure where I found the information on the Scots being
distinctly different than the native Hibernians, but I will keep an eye
out for this and respond when I can. Diarmid is it possible, I mean if
you have time do you think ya might help us Campbells searching in
Alabama? There is a large population of Campbells in the Jackson and
Madison Co areas, This area has been researched and researched and still
no luck in connecting these lines or getting further back. The
surrounding areas in Tenn. have been searched as well, I sure would like
to get back to Scotland on my line someday. Anyway I was just wondering
if maybe you might be able to help with this brick wall we beating our
heads on. Thanks as always for your time and knowledge.
Marge Campbell wrote:
I knew it! We are all Swedes!
from sunny.. warmer than most of you all.. Lodi, CA
A Swede doing her hubby's Campbell lines..
Happy New Year to you All!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diarmid Campbell" <diarmid(a)diarmid.fsnet.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:39 AM
Subject: Are Campbells from Scotland?
> Thanks for your lucid interpretation of the early settlement of Scotland.
> Maybe I can add something to the thoughts about Campbells having Scots or
> Irish ancestry also:
> I would be interested to hear your sources for the Irish Dalriadans being
> different ancestry from the rest of the then Irish population. To my
> knowledge they were just another Irish tribe. Ireland, like Scotland, was
> in 500 AD made up of local tribes.
> Recent DNA mapping suggests that most of us (I am of a Campbell family who
> have lived in Argyll in Scotland for over 600 years) in the western
> Isles (including western Ireland) and Norway are of Neolithic origin
> overlaid with Celtic culture in Ireland and Scotland and Norse culture in
> Norway and - as you so well stated - many other strands of intermarriage.
> Here it is always taught that the Dalriadans who came and made a kingdom
> Argyll (circa. 500-843)(mixing with the local indiginous population -
> being a mix of Neolithic and Celtic so far as anyone can now tell) were
> 'Irish' but it didn't mean that they wiped out the local population and
> re-populated the place with 'Irish', it merely meant that the Dalriads
> became powerful and rulers. But I think you understand that.
> On the issue of the origins of the Campbells, my own ancestors went to
> Ireland as mercenaries (called galloglass and later 'redshanks') and may
> well have had children there before returning to Scotland. Some went
> the Reformation of 1560 and so were Catholic and some after - but the
> Reformation didn't happen overnight and was in fact quite gradual to take
> effect in the Highlands since there had been very few Catholic priests in
> remote areas and getting Protestant ones into those places took a long
> Most of the mercenaries who went to Ireland (latterly to fight for the
> of Tyrone against Elizabeth of England's people) and many of them were
> Catholic. What happened in the 17th century during the Civil War in
> (Oliver Cromwell and Co) was that various numbers of Campbells left for
> ireland for political reasons and then the continued numbers of
> 'plantations' of Ulster (now Northernn Ireland) brought over more
> The Earl of Argyll's invasion (Protestant attempt to oust a Catholic king
> (James II in England) in 1685 meant a number of Campbells left Argyll.
> Someone mentioned 'persecution' which had been taking place in that same
> late 17th century period - persecution of the extremist or fundamentalist
> 'Covenanters' and these were in Argyll but most were in southwestern
> Scotland (Ayrshire, Dumfries and Galloway etc) and many of them left both
> indentured servants for the American colonies and for Northern Ireland.
> Many of these would be cadets of the Campbells of Loudoun in Ayrshire
> whom the Earl of Loudon, a rather ineffective general in the French Indian
> War (1756-1760 or 63)) was descended. Cadets means branches in Scots
> genealogy - younger sons rather than big branches - Loudoun was a big
> of the Campbells of Lochawe in Argyll.
> Alastair Campbell of Airds in his 'A History of Clan Campbell' believes
> MacLysaught (writer of 'Irish Surnames') was perhaps right in suggesting
> that the MacCumhails took the name Campbell. But the question remains why
> they might do that? Perhaps it made it easier to get work in more
> protestant Northern Ireland in and after the 17th century 'plantations'?
> don't know if there is a clear answer. The MacCampbells seem to be of
> origin and yet I have been told they were also found in SW Scotland - but
> had they come from Ireland? MacAilins are said to be from MacCailein Mor,
> the patronymic of the Cheifs of Clan Campbell.
> Happy New Year to everyone!
> Diarmid Campbell, Argyll, Scotland
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Brown <omega(a)home.com>
> To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Are All Campbells from Scotland? Rhonda
> > To All
> > I have been watching this discussion for some time now, from what I
> > have read and my understanding is that the Scots were origanally
> > Dalriadans from Ireland and that they were distincly different from the
> > Hibernian population that existed there. From the writtings I have read
> > they set up camp in modern day Antrim and, when the biggest contingent
> > of them crossed over, this was around 500 AD, they started another
> > colony in what is modern day Argyl Scotland. They were at war with the
> > Picts for many years and then in 843 AD they finally united with the
> > Picts under Kenneth MacAlpin whos mother was pictish princess and his
> > father was a Scot. The Scotts eventually absorbed the Picts. It must
> > be mentioned here that there was also a large amount of Viking blood
> > flowing through the Clans as well. MacDonalds, Macdugals, macRories.
> > All these Clans derive from Somerled who was the ruler of the western
> > Isles for many years until he was killed at The battle Renfew about
> > 1164. There are many more clans with Viking blood. In the area of
> > Strathclyde there were the Brittons and in the east Angles. After 1066
> > you also had a large number of Normans infiltrating the lowlands and
> > lets not forget the Roman blood that surely was mixed in after hundreds
> > of years on the Island, and if you go back into the early legends of
> > Ireland this discussion could go on and on until next year. Please
> > don't get me wrong I very much am interested in history and finding out
> > more! Hey how about those mumified bodies that they found in the desert
> > in China that were 4000 years old, some of them were wearing Tartan and
> > they were caucasions! Whats up with that? I love to read the E-mails
> > and all my kindred that still answer the call to their heritage. Please
> > forgive me if the spelling was off, this has never been my greatest
> > gift.
> > Richard
> > Jody & Rhonda Palmer wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Mike,
> > >
> > > Good to hear from you again. I am not as sure as you that all Scots
> > > Irish and I think a lot of people might disagree with you. However, I
> > > to this research thing, I know that the Celts and The Danes were
> > > Vikings and nomads. I have been reading a lot on this topic as I am in
> > > process of creating a family tree album for my mother to keep. It will
> > > as a reference for future generations. By what you are telling me the
> > > distinguishing line between Scot and Irish is basically religion.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Rhonda
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <MCampb6874(a)aol.com>
> > > To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 1:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Are All Campbells from Scotland? Rhonda
> > >
> > > >
> > > > As I said earlier some Campbell's were of Irish origen.To
> > > > email I received in March " Campbell amoung the top 10 names in
> > > > Tyrone,Campbell derives from a number of sources.Moat are from the
> > > Mac
> > > > Cathmhaoil,while a good number too are of Scots origen." The
> > > a
> > > > Tyrone magazine.
> > > > Regardless,since Scotland was settled by the Irish ,the Scots
> > > Irish
> > > > by origen. Mike Campbell
> > > >
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