Jim,
When you have time I would be grateful if you (or anyone else who is
knowlegeable on the subject)could throw any light on a question here.
I am wondering whether there is confusion between two lines of Campbells who
came from Ireland to Virginia and to Tennessee in the 18th and early 19th
centuries.
The Campbells from Drumaboden (if I remember rightly) came later than the
John Campbell who came to PA in circa.1730 and who then moved to VA (Augusta
county?) and was ancestor of General William Campbell of Salt Lick and
King's Mountain and those Campbells in the Holston River Valley. So far I
have only found two descendants of the Holston River Campbells still with
the Campbell name - one is Col. Samuel Campbell in Bristol VA whose family
went up a creek in the mountains and stayed in the hills for several
generations. We have corresponded. The other was a doctor (I think) in
Texas about 30 or so years ago who was a descendant of the Campbells of
Halls Bottom (cousins of Gen. Wm. Campbell) near Abingdon VA (in the Holston
River Valley and not far from Salt Lick). I have not been able to track
down the doctor's family.
I have not found any descendants of other members of the family - the
Campbell Treasurer of the US (I don't think he married); David Campbell,
Governor of VA (who I don't think had children); or Gen. Arthur Campbell who
was captured as a 16 yer old boy by tribal people in the French-Indian War
and after he escaped, served in the army and retired, went to his lands in
KY.
The Holston River Campbells may be those written up in Margaret Pilcher's
book? Or am I confusing them with another family - my copy of teh book is
in storage. It is the part before John (living in 1730) for which no
documentary support can be found in Ireland - the mention of Duncan Campbell
and Mary McCoy etc.
I believe I once met a Campbell of the Drumaboden family (he lived in TN)
who had gone back to Northern Ireland and the house was still standing - a
solid old place of stone and a slate roof - but it was neglected. It was
across the lough (loch) to the west and a bit north of Londonderry. He sent
me a picture which was published in the CCS(NA) quarterly Journal.
If I remember rightly, he told me there was a book about the Drumaboden
Campbells who came straight to TN from Ireland - possibly in the late 18th
or early 19th C. He said the book had Drumaboden in the title I beleive -
possibly 'The Campbells of Drumaboden' (perhaps you have it and it was you I
met?!) If it can be found (perhaps through the Library of Congress list?)
it might be worth checking to see whether (A) there was confusion (by
Pilcher?) between John Campbell (1730) and Drumaboden in terms of Duncan
Campbell and Mary McCoy. Or (B) in fact John was from Drumaboden.
Two different lots of the Clan Campbell Society (NA) members have over the
years put together funds to employ a Northern Ireland researcher to try to
find any traces of (1) Duncan Campbell and Mary McCoy or (2) Rev. Dougall
Campbell, said in the mistaken Campbell of Auchinbreck article in Burke's
'Baronetage and Peerage' to have been descended from Auchinbreck.
Nothing was found on Duncan Campbell and Mary McCoy in the records. Rev.
Dougall was found but not of a date to connect to his proposed Scottish
ancestry.
I still wonder whether we may yet get to the bottom of the mystery.
Is the Drumaboden family the one where their link to Scotland is said to be
a Colonel William (?) who descended from the Campbells of Wester Kames on
the Isle of Bute, only when you look closely the dates could not possibly
work?
On the 'black' and 'white' Davids it was very common in the Highlands and
also Ireland to give people a by-name based on hair color. My impression
was that one must have been white blond and the other very black haired.
Complexion didn't seem to have had much to do with it - other than a man
with black hair may have had a heavy beard. But I may ahve mentioned that
before.
All the best, Diarmid
(in Argyll in Scotland)
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Campbell <blacksnake6(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:03 AM
Subject: RE: John Campbell
My information is that John Campbell, b. August 16, 1674 in
Drumboden,
Ireland, married Grace Hay about 1695 in Orange, Va. She was born abt.
1675
and died abt. 1770.
I have his father as Duncan Campbell and his mother as Mary McCoy.
Everyone
I have talked to say that anything before John and Grace, or Grissel,
is
suspect. Diarmid Campbell has said the same on this list.
You might want to Phil Norfleet's site. I can't remember where it is, but
I
did find it with my browser. He has a great deal of information. The
son
of
John and Grace that is my 5th great grandfather is David, b. August
8, in
Drumboden, Ireland and died 1791 in Washington County Va. He is refered to
as "White David" due to his blond hair and to differentiate from his
cousin
"Black David," who was dark complected.
There is also a very hard to find work by Penelope Johnson Allen tittle
"Leaves of the Family Tree Campbell. It was originaly published in the
Chattanooga whatever newspaper.
The Chattanooga Chapter of the DAR is the Judge David Campbell Chapter. He
is the son of White David.
Jim Campbell
-----Original Message-----
From: HOOVER FAMILY [mailto:HOOVER@NETVA.COM]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:50 PM
To: CAMPBELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: John Campbell
I apologize. The Captain John Campbell I am looking for was in Southwest
Virginia, Rich Valley, VA. He married Mary Martin and then Elizabeth
Smith.
This John (John II) was born in 1768. I have read reports which say
he
was
born in Ireland and then some say Pennsylvania.
I am mostly looking for information regarding his parents. They reported
to
be John (John the first) and Grissel "Grace" Hay Campbell.
I have this
John
as being born in 1674 and married in 1695 to Grace. She died at the
age of
93 it is reported. How old would she have been if Capt. John was born in
1768?
judy
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Subject: Re: John Campbell
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