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This is the one & the Same Geographical Area, will post the bit about the
atempted formation of the State of Franklin; Now Campbell Families you can
Laugh if you Choose, But it is Acording to much of your Information that
You have not been able to trace YOUR ANCESTORS.
My honest opinion you will never trace your Ancestry to the Water line in
America, Heres why. The black & white Campbell's <Color of Hair> Landed in
Pensylvania, Migratd down the wagon trail to what is to day Augusta County.
& in time continued to Move South to What is to Day washington county Va &
What was then West North Carolina That attempted to Be formed into the
State Franklin Which Failed & was reverted to the Intero Dept Which Granted
that area to The State of Tenn & it became East tenn, now here was an arrea
in Three Jurrisdictions in Les than 50 Years, No teling where or IF the
Records MIGHT BE, I will FWD toe fact of the Attempt to form the State of
Franklin, U. S. A. NOW during the REV, WAR A member of the Bl;ack & White
Campbell's <Color of HAIR> One Col. William campbell formed a Unit of the Local
Men, they were refered to as the Over the Mountian Men/BOYS Col campbell
marched to KINGS Mountian north carolina Where the over the Mtn Boys Kicked
some RED COAT BUTT, Right down the road a bit there was another REV WAR
Battle At Cow Pens South Carolina, NOW is where Y;ALLS Brick wall comes in,
Some of em ole Black & White Campbell Boys Stayed on in Carolinas & married &
raised their families, Now when YOU their descendants seek answers You run
into the Invisiablle WALL, because Your ancestors DID NOT come from Over
Seas to West North Carolina, They were the Descemdants of the Black & white
Campbell's that came into Pensylvania US & migrated down the wagon Trail to
VA & then west North carolina. You may Laugh but it is YOU that are
standing at that Invisable WALL. CUZ Sam campbell a retired washington county va
sherrif's SGT, liveing in Bristol Vas who just might be able to get you
Connected to A Male, Black & White Campbell, so as to enable you to get a >D.
N. A. > Test
CUZ AT <atpowelljr(a)aol.com.
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RIGHT ON CUZ SAM CUZ AT
In a message dated 2/19/2011 4:10:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sgt_sam_wash_co(a)yahoo.com writes:
Dorothy,
You Are a Little Incorrect; 1. Erwin , Tn. Is the County Seat Of Unicoi
County, TN.
2. Elizabethton, Tn. Is The County Seat Of Carter County, TN.
*** I Live Near This Area & Before Coming To Washington County, VA.
Sheriff's Dept. , I Was a County Deputy For Over 12 Years In Sullivan County,
TN. .
Sincerely,
Sam Campbell
--- On Sat, 2/19/11, dgp <dgpagano(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
From: dgp <dgpagano(a)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 3:35 PM
Hi Jerry,
Not sure where in East Tennessee your proven ancestor settled. Mine,
Thomas
Baty/Bady Campbell was on Roan Mountain by 1800 in what is now Buladean,
NC
in Mitchell County (formerly Yancey and before that Burke). The other
side
of the Roan is Carter County, TN where the towns of Erwin and Unicoi are
located (not far from now Sullivan and Washington Counties in TN). There
has been some speculation Thomas Baty/Bady Campbell may have been related
to
Zachariah.
Dorothy in N. FL.
Allied Families:
ROSE-HUGHES-WILSON-YOUNG-STREET-INGRAM-FRY(E)-TROUTMAN-MCCURRY-MCKINNEY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry H" > Jim I agree with your response to AT. To leave
footprints
one must have
> instituted legal paperwork, Owned land which was sold back and forth,
left
> a
> will
> which takes us back to owning land and goods. or lived in an area where
> TVA
> buried everything. My earliest "proven" ancestor was Zachariah settled
in
> East TN.
> Jerry Hodge
>
>> AT,
>> I have been researching my family's genealogy for 30 years now. I knew
>> who my g-g-grandfather (John D. Campbell 1812-1890) was as soon as I
>> started. In all that time I have been unable to determine who his
>> parents were. I am relatively sure that I know who his parents were but
>> I don't have documented proof. For 20 of those years I lived in Raleigh,
>> NC and had ready access to the NC State Archives. I spent many Saturdays
>> there going through the files.
>>
>> Why was I unsuccessful? I have concluded that the reason is that my
>> g-g-grandfather was a poor farmer, and the poor leave very little in the
>> way of a paper trail. I suspect that a lot of Campbell researchers are
>> in the same boat. Their ancestors came from Scotland or Northern Ireland
>> with not much more than the shirt on their back. They probably worked
as
>> an indentured servant to pay off the cost of their passage. Once they
>> had completed their indenture they left their former master with little
>> in their pocket. The indenture papers may be located in the archives of
>> Pennsylvania, but there wasn't much to distinguish "my" John Campbell
>> from scores of other John Campbells.
>> Jim Campbell
>> Kannapolis, NC
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Cousins, IF one owned Land, There have been Hard Scrable Farmers, Share
Cropers who have Never owned any LAND.
To Family search for Ones Ancestors of 200 years ago in the country in A
Jurrisdiction of Now that could have Had several new jurrisdictions Formed
from the One that One beklieves that was houme to that Ancestor, For instan
ce, Untill 1727 The Jurrisdiction of Henrico county Va Covered the Whole
Area from the Richmond Va Area to what is today; West Va, Ky, Ohio< IND,
Ill, Mich. & Wisc. & many of the Va counties had their records Destroyed in
the Civil was & No doubt many of bthe Counties in the south had their Records
Destroyed
and many of our Ancestors never owned any property.
i was born in Amherst County va in 1926, i will be in the Amherst County
va Census in 1930 then inj 1940 i will be in the Appomattox county va
census, In 1950 as i had no perminent adress I wil not show uo in any Census, in
1960 i will show up in Roanoke City va censuis. 70,80, 90, 2000 & 2010 I
will show up in the Henrico County Census though I have had a Richmopnd Va
Adress I started Genealogical Research at 69 Years old I now have a 3year
old Great Great Grand Son, Now when he is 69 years old in 2076 What kind
of luck is he going have in Traceing His G. G grand DAD???
Another Interesting BIT; I am A T JR. droping the Jr, in two different
counties BUT; A T powell had a son born in 1945 7 At powell had a daughter
born in 1947______________??? In some of My Ancestral Families I have Many of
the Families with more than one Member of a family with More than one
member With THE same First & Last Name
their families ID,D them with a Nick Name of which WAS NOT registered at
the Court House. OH yea your Campbell's had the same Yoke
the nameing Practice; Dad is George<JR. His dad was Geoege, so the First
Son was Named George, the Third Son was named After Dad, THREE George's in
the SAME FAMILY.
Hard Scrable Farmers, If the renter had his Horses 7 Tools he could rent &
give thje Land owner 1/4 Of the Crop, If the land owners Horses & Tools
were used the Renting Farmer Gave the Land owner 1/2 of the Crop, NOW lets
pictu OUR ancestor with 10 Crum Snatchers ever getting in position so as to
own that Land that You are looking for a record of, FORGETIT. There are
some records to be found BUT many of OUR ancestors, Existed & passed on.
Remember that saying, AH PO MAN DEAD & soon Forgotten, Looka way down yonder in
Dixie Land
NOW for sure lets Compare & Share Our Family Information. I is a fact that
NO ONE knows every one that we are KIN TO.
CUZ A T _atpowelljr(a)aol.co_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.co)
In a message dated 2/19/2011 2:20:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jay8ch(a)comcast.net writes:
Jim I agree with your response to AT. To leave footprints one must have
instituted legal paperwork, Owned land which was sold back and forth, left
a
will
which takes us back to owning land and goods. or lived in an area where
TVA
buried everything. My earliest "proven" ancestor was Zachariah settled in
East TN.
Jerry Hodge
> AT,
>
> The reason that we haven't posted is that we have traced our genealogy
> back to our "brick wall". We have posted what we know but no one has
> that person in his line. We read each posting hoping to see a familiar
> name but "no joy". Perhaps we need to institute a "roll call" every so
> often on this list. Once a "roll call" is announced everyone posts
> his/her earliest ancestor.
>
> I have been researching my family's genealogy for 30 years now. I knew
> who my g-g-grandfather (John D. Campbell 1812-1890) was as soon as I
> started. In all that time I have been unable to determine who his
> parents were. I am relatively sure that I know who his parents were but
> I don't have documented proof. For 20 of those years I lived in Raleigh,
> NC and had ready access to the NC State Archives. I spent many Saturdays
> there going through the files.
>
> Why was I unsuccessful? I have concluded that the reason is that my
> g-g-grandfather was a poor farmer, and the poor leave very little in the
> way of a paper trail. I suspect that a lot of Campbell researchers are
> in the same boat. Their ancestors came from Scotland or Northern Ireland
> with not much more than the shirt on their back. They probably worked as
> an indentured servant to pay off the cost of their passage. Once they
> had completed their indenture they left their former master with little
> in their pocket. The indenture papers may be located in the archives of
> Pennsylvania, but there wasn't much to distinguish "my" John Campbell
> from scores of other John Campbells.
>
> DNA is part of the way out of our problem. For example, my DNA and that
> of several other Campbells is very close to being the same. Some of
> these Campbells have their genealogy traced back to Union County, SC and
> from there back to Pennsylvania. Union County isn't all that far from
> where my g-g-grandfather spent most of his life in NC. The other part of
> the way out of our problem is to find a connection to a cousin who has
> been able to trace (and document) his genealogy further back.
>
> Jim Campbell
> Kannapolis, NC
>
> On 2/18/2011 5:20 PM, Atpowelljr(a)aol.com wrote:
>> Just How on earth did so many Campbell's Get on eato therth as
reluctant
>> as
>> their Descendants are to Comunicate,___________________??? CUZ AT
>> <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
>>
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Dorothy,
I Drove Through Piney Flats, TN. Today On My Way to Johnson City, TN. .
Sincerely,
Sam Campbell
> From: dgpagano(a)earthlink.net
> To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:37:22 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
>
> Sam,
> Thanks for the correction. It might help some of us get going in the right
> direction in searching for those illusive ancestors !
>
> Born In Piney Flats,
>
> Dorothy in N. FL.
>
> ALMORODE-COCHRAN-GEISLER-DE VAULT-FARRINGTON -GEISLER-GROSS-HARR-HALL-
> HICKS-KING-KITZMILLER-LOONEY-MCCLELLAN-MCKINLEY-SHARP-SMITH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Samuel Campbell" Dorothy,
>
> You Are a Little Incorrect; 1. Erwin , Tn. Is the County Seat Of Unicoi
> County, TN.
> 2. Elizabethton, Tn. Is The County Seat Of Carter County, TN.
>
> *** I Live Near This Area & Before Coming To Washington County, VA.
> Sheriff's Dept. , I Was a County Deputy For Over 12 Years In Sullivan
> County, TN. .
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sam Campbell
>
>
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IF I had carolina Campbell Ancestry that i could not Find the origin of I
would try to find if there could be a connection to the Over Mountian Boys
who Came to THE battle of Kings Mtn in North carolina & Cow Pens South
Carolina. I here to tell ya some of those ole Boys did not go back to
washington County & there will be NO record of Imigrastion, True they Just might
became poor Farmers in Carolina But they came from South West Va. from the
Black & White <COLOR OF HAIR> David Campbell's in Washington county Va, Their
Partisapation in the Battle of Kings MTN North Carolina & The REV WAR
Batle of Cow Pens South Carolina Which is only a short way Down I-85 From KINGS
MTN N. C.
OF Course Y;ALL are loking for your ancestors & May be do not care to be
bothered. Keep a copy of this so when ya descendants Confirm it they will
not be Shocked CUZ AT
In a message dated 2/19/2011 1:59:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hardyplants(a)gmail.com writes:
Anne Ruby wrote:
>
> So, there you have it. Poor farmers probably from Scotland without
> early paper trails. Thanks, Jim, for the explanation. Perhaps the
> next generation will have even better technology to pursue the
> elusive Campbell lines.
>
> Anne (Campbell)
>
The other possibility is all of us working on those with the estate
records - the
minutiae of life that was recorded and so much of which has been kept but
not
archived and certainly not digitised.
It would be great to have a concerted effort to encourage these records to
be made
available to all, especially as the technology to do so is becoming so
accessible and
affordable.
The project I am working with at Auchindrain on the Argyll estate, where
Campbell
families left in late 1700's and early 1800's, is bringing to light very
interesting
snippets of information from the most mundane of sources. There is MUCH
work to do,
but these places will be goldmines for genealogists and social historians
around the
world.
Jill
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Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
Campbell family this has brought more responce than if OLE Pied <THA Milk
Cow> had steped on Grannys T--, CUZ A T
Anne,
If your Campbell-Adams marriage occurred in NC in the time frame you
mentioned, it was probably documented by a Marriage Bond. A Marriage
Bond is a man posting bond stating that he is eligible to marry a
certain woman. (I have never heard of the bond having to be forfeited.)
In NC all extant Marriage Bonds are kept in the NC State Archives in
Raleigh. You might write to the Archives and ask them if the
Campbell-Adams Marriage Bond exists. The people at the Archives are very
accommodating.
I have held the actual Marriage Bond of John D. Campbell and Elizabeth
Bumgarner dated 1838 in my hand.
Jim Campbell
On 2/19/2011 2:49 PM, Anne Ruby wrote:
> Donald, thank you for this information. In my case, the Campbell-Adams marriage was probably in NC around 1809. Which county is debatable, but likely one in which many of the Scots settled. It's possible a paper record does not exist for one reason or another.
>
> Anne
>
> --- On Sat, 2/19/11, Donald Draper Campbell<cmpblldd(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Donald Draper Campbell<cmpblldd(a)ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: [Campbell] Finding Marriage Records
> To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 11:15 AM
>
>
>
> Finding Marriage Records
> There are number of types or forms of marriages. You need to know when and
> where you think the marriage took place in tracking down a marriage record,
> if it does exist. There may be NO direct paper record of the marriage.
> Statutory Marriages: Statutory requirements for marriage which regulate the
> licensing and solemnization of marriages.
> Common Law Marriages: Common Law marriages my be defined as a civil
> contract between a man and a woman competent to contract, who mutually
> consent and agree to be husband and wife.
> Marriages by Proxy: Marriage by proxy was allowed by Roman Law and by Canon
> Law. It was possible for a man who was away from home to marry a woman by
> letter or messenger.
> Irregular Marriages: These marriages do not comply with the law, but are
> recognized as valid.
> Handfast Marriages: An early definition of âhandfastâ is the custom of
> handfasting, or contracting marriage.
>
> Marriages at Sea: The ship on which the marriage is performed is subject to
> the law of its place of registration by the flag it is flying.
> Indian Tribal Marriages: If the formalities, customs, and usage of the
> tribe are complied with the tribal marriages are valid.
> For further information see: Noel C. Stevenson, J.D., Genealogical
> Evidence: A Guide to the Standard of Proof Relating to Pedigrees, Ancestry,
> Heirship and Family History
>
>
> Donald Draper Campbell /
> Alexandria, VA USA
>
> Gyronny of eight Or and Sable, the first charged with four ibises' heads erased
> of the second, within a bordure Azure. Public Register of All arms and Bearin
> g in Scotland, Volume 65, Page 89 (matriculated 20 February 1984).
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Alexandria, VA
One other Fact of marriage; Where it was In most Jurrisdictions A
requirement that the Licence was to be bout in the jurrisdiction of the BRIDE.
There was NO REQUIREMENT as to where the marriage Must be recorded. In other
words a circut rider could Perform a Wedding in One County & record it In the
Next Convenient, County.
For instance in the area of My Ancestors. Albemarle County Formed in 1744
from Goochland & Louisa Counties, if the circut rider had performed a
Marriage in albemarle county in 1746 & Proced west he would been Charlotte
county for the Next Court house. AND, This; If the circut rider had Recorded
the Marriage in Fincastle county_____?? wich no longer Exists, One Might be
able to Find that Marriage recording in to days Montgomery County Va. GOOD
Hunting,YA HOPE
CUZ A T _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com)
perfect example why i have certain peoples' post's blocked from my in box.Jim, if you run into any Campbells from Dallas county Alabama, give me a holler please, I have the names of most of them.....but" Black Jack" eludes me a little, i do believe he was from up around Mussle Shouls Alabama....not sure if I spelled that right or not.I have a picture, or rather a scketch of his son, my great grandfather. It is my understand\g that Blck Jack(think his real name was John Campbell) was not a very nice man.
--- On Sat, 2/19/11, Jim Campbell <jim(a)w4bqp.net> wrote:
From: Jim Campbell <jim(a)w4bqp.net>
Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 3:49 PM
AT,
We aren't keeping our information secret. Each person participating in
the Campbell Group in familytreedna.com occasionally receives a notice
when there is a close match between us and someone else. For example I
have a 2 Marker difference out of 25 with Kevin Campbell and Diarmid
Campbell. Yet Kevin's ancestors go back to western PA and Diarmid's
ancestors are all in Scotland. This doesn't help a lot.
Where DNA is a big help is to tell us where NOT to look. For example, I
don't have any close matches with people who trace their ancestry back
to the Amherst County, VA area. That means that I shouldn't waste my
time trying to find a connection with the Amherst County group. My
closest matches are with a group whose ancestors came from PA to Union
County, SC and from there went to the Midwest (I don't remember where
right now). I need to concentrate on tying in with that group.
Jim Campbell
On 2/19/2011 1:04 PM, Atpowelljr(a)aol.com wrote:
> COUSINS, To each their own. But for a Fact Saying Nothing has, nor it
> will never solve any thing.
> Seek& you will find, Ask& you will or should get an answr, AND,<ASK&
> ANSWER QUESTIONS SOME ONE KNOWS>
>
> MY Question?? Why would any one Have a<D. N. A.> test& then Hide the
> results??? If one does not Compare just what good is the results going to do
> any one in silence. NOW for those who missed Cuz Kevins report that the
> Clan bCampbell<D. N. A.> results are in AZ, I do not know how, BUT I
> believe that Compareing ones Test results with Clan Campbell Results COULD go
> along way in connecting KINSHIP. AS I have been led to understand that there
> is but one CLAN CAMPBELL. My Late Mother was An Amherst County Va Campbell.
> I am not a Canadate for the TEST, but I am proud of My Campbell Family
> Ancestry. Wheather& what Y;ALL Might think, I believe that This Bit that I
> Posted, about where& how the Current Campbell's lak of Communication has
> brought forth much interst in OUR Campbell family Connection<THANKS CUZ AT
> _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com)
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2011 3:35:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hardyplants(a)gmail.com writes:
>
> On 19 February 2011 01:44, Jim Campbell<jim(a)w4bqp.net> wrote:
>> AT,
>>
>> The reason that we haven't posted is that we have traced our genealogy
>> back to our "brick wall". We have posted what we know but no one has
>> that person in his line. We read each posting hoping to see a familiar
>> name but "no joy". Perhaps we need to institute a "roll call" every so
>> often on this list. Once a "roll call" is announced everyone posts
>> his/her earliest ancestor.
> With the wealth of information you all have, and obviously some
> serious genealogists in the group, not just those who randomly want to
> connect people by DNA or name on the off chance it might fit, has
> anyone considered creating a joint project so that you can share the
> basic of the families in each place in the USA, and their descendants?
> That would give you a powerful database of families, with the evidence
> to prove the connections that others could examine, and maybe correct
> or support.
> You seem to have some key lines which people bounce around. Maybe some
> collaboration would show up more information and lives of enquiry,
> that individuals have that could help others?
>
> otherwise masses of information or random possible people seems to
> have little genealogical integrity and is more likely to confuse than
> inform. and I cannot see where berating members of a list, for not
> posting, helps anyone.
> :)
>
> Jill
>
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In a message dated 2/19/2011 10:10:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aruby2003(a)yahoo.com writes:
I appreciate and totally agree with Jim's post. While my search has been
a relatively short period of 12 years, the paper trail has dried up for me
as well.
My earliest Campbell ancestor is James Campbell born 1782 NC who married
Martha Adams born 1789 NC
NOW CUZ ANNE; Lets Start Right Here; This was just after the REV,WAR.
Right, There were many of the Black & white <COLOR OF HAIR> Campbell's that
Came From Washington County Va with COL. William Campbell to Fight the Battle
of Kingsd MTN North Carolina & COW PENS S. C. Those ole campbell Boys
took a Shine to the TAR HEEL Girls & Just Stayed On in The Carolionas. the
usual proceder in family research is to Lean toward the Supposed Migrant
trail, From some Supposedly Foriegn Country, Where these Campbell's Came from,
an inland AQrea of America Y;ALL are Missing the origin of your Ancestors,
I believe that An efort to Make <D. N. A. > Connection with the Black &
White Campbell's from The valley of Va. on down to Washington county Va, will
lead to a connection. WELL ya done tried as your report says EVERY THING
ELSE & got 0
CUZ AT _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com)
. No marriage record has been found. One child was born 1810-1812 in TN
and the rest in Franklin & Shelby Co. IN. James and Martha died in Shelby
Co. IN 1837 and 1853. The first paper trail is a 1817 tax list and 1820
census in Franklin Co. IN. James somehow managed to purchase 160 acres
8/11/1821 in Shelby Co. IN. Only their headstones give me a clue to DOB or
DOD. I know James was a farmer, probably of Scottish descent, and may have
had a brother John, of Franklin Co., who purchased 80 acres 1/1/1823 of
adjoining land in Bartholomew Co. IN. John 'disappears' after 1840.
Unfortunately, I have not found a male 'cousin' willing to do a DNA test.
Early wills, probate, and land transfers have yielded no clues to either
Campbell or Adams lines.
So, there you have it. Poor farmers probably from Scotland without early
paper trails. Thanks, Jim, for the explanation. Perhaps the next
generation will have even better technology to pursue the elusive Campbell lines.
Anne (Campbell)
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Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com, campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 6:01 PM
I agree with Jim's post. My genealogy tale is quite similar. I have been
working on my family lines for 30+ years and while I have traced all the
other lines back to the "old" and there as far back as the records go, I have
not solved my Campbell mystery line. The farthest back that I have been
able to go is my great, great, great grandfather-James Campbell. He was born
in 1789 in either Pennsylvania or Kentucky. He had several children while
living in Kentucky. Then he moved to Ripley County, Indiana where he died in
1829. He was a farmer in Indiana and probably in Kentucky also. There is a
land record for a James Campbell in Kentucky but it does not contain any
identifying information.
My cousin did provide a DNA sample which places my ancestors in the group
that came from Northern Ireland. There are many matches to the DNA results,
including a number of 67 marker matches but no one seems to have any paper
trails to connect us or to Northern Ireland. I have also joined the Ulster
DNA project. Again many matches, but no paper trails.
Maybe someday a match will have a paper trail.
Susan Campbell Hassenmiller
Bainbridge Island, WA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Campbell <jim(a)w4bqp.net>
>Sent: Feb 18, 2011 5:44 PM
>To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
>
> AT,
>
>The reason that we haven't posted is that we have traced our genealogy
>back to our "brick wall". We have posted what we know but no one has
>that person in his line. We read each posting hoping to see a familiar
>name but "no joy". Perhaps we need to institute a "roll call" every so
>often on this list. Once a "roll call" is announced everyone posts
>his/her earliest ancestor.
>
>I have been researching my family's genealogy for 30 years now. I knew
>who my g-g-grandfather (John D. Campbell 1812-1890) was as soon as I
>started. In all that time I have been unable to determine who his
>parents were. I am relatively sure that I know who his parents were but
>I don't have documented proof. For 20 of those years I lived in Raleigh,
>NC and had ready access to the NC State Archives. I spent many Saturdays
>there going through the files.
>
>Why was I unsuccessful? I have concluded that the reason is that my
>g-g-grandfather was a poor farmer, and the poor leave very little in the
>way of a paper trail. I suspect that a lot of Campbell researchers are
>in the same boat. Their ancestors came from Scotland or Northern Ireland
>with not much more than the shirt on their back. They probably worked as
>an indentured servant to pay off the cost of their passage. Once they
>had completed their indenture they left their former master with little
>in their pocket. The indenture papers may be located in the archives of
>Pennsylvania, but there wasn't much to distinguish "my" John Campbell
>from scores of other John Campbells.
>
>DNA is part of the way out of our problem. For example, my DNA and that
>of several other Campbells is very close to being the same. Some of
>these Campbells have their genealogy traced back to Union County, SC and
>from there back to Pennsylvania. Union County isn't all that far from
>where my g-g-grandfather spent most of his life in NC. The other part of
>the way out of our problem is to find a connection to a cousin who has
>been able to trace (and document) his genealogy further back.
>
>Jim Campbell
>Kannapolis, NC
>
>On 2/18/2011 5:20 PM, Atpowelljr(a)aol.com wrote:
>> Just How on earth did so many Campbell's Get on eato therth as
reluctant as
>> their Descendants are to Comunicate,___________________??? CUZ AT
>> <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
>>
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Hi Jerry,
Not sure where in East Tennessee your proven ancestor settled. Mine, Thomas
Baty/Bady Campbell was on Roan Mountain by 1800 in what is now Buladean, NC
in Mitchell County (formerly Yancey and before that Burke). The other side
of the Roan is Carter County, TN where the towns of Erwin and Unicoi are
located (not far from now Sullivan and Washington Counties in TN). There
has been some speculation Thomas Baty/Bady Campbell may have been related to
Zachariah.
Dorothy in N. FL.
Allied Families:
ROSE-HUGHES-WILSON-YOUNG-STREET-INGRAM-FRY(E)-TROUTMAN-MCCURRY-MCKINNEY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry H" > Jim I agree with your response to AT. To leave footprints
one must have
> instituted legal paperwork, Owned land which was sold back and forth, left
> a
> will
> which takes us back to owning land and goods. or lived in an area where
> TVA
> buried everything. My earliest "proven" ancestor was Zachariah settled in
> East TN.
> Jerry Hodge
>
>> AT,
>> I have been researching my family's genealogy for 30 years now. I knew
>> who my g-g-grandfather (John D. Campbell 1812-1890) was as soon as I
>> started. In all that time I have been unable to determine who his
>> parents were. I am relatively sure that I know who his parents were but
>> I don't have documented proof. For 20 of those years I lived in Raleigh,
>> NC and had ready access to the NC State Archives. I spent many Saturdays
>> there going through the files.
>>
>> Why was I unsuccessful? I have concluded that the reason is that my
>> g-g-grandfather was a poor farmer, and the poor leave very little in the
>> way of a paper trail. I suspect that a lot of Campbell researchers are
>> in the same boat. Their ancestors came from Scotland or Northern Ireland
>> with not much more than the shirt on their back. They probably worked as
>> an indentured servant to pay off the cost of their passage. Once they
>> had completed their indenture they left their former master with little
>> in their pocket. The indenture papers may be located in the archives of
>> Pennsylvania, but there wasn't much to distinguish "my" John Campbell
>> from scores of other John Campbells.
>> Jim Campbell
>> Kannapolis, NC
Cuz AT,
What do you mean by "Hilite?"
-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Feb 18, 2011 10:51 PM
>To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [Campbell] ASK & ANSWER QUIESTIONS SOME ONE KINOWS
>
>James Campbell. He was born in 1789 Please left Click to Hilite then
>Right Click & Go to Search CUZ AT
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Dorothy,
You Are a Little Incorrect; 1. Erwin , Tn. Is the County Seat Of Unicoi County, TN.
2. Elizabethton, Tn. Is The County Seat Of Carter County, TN.
*** I Live Near This Area & Before Coming To Washington County, VA. Sheriff's Dept. , I Was a County Deputy For Over 12 Years In Sullivan County, TN. .
Sincerely,
Sam Campbell
--- On Sat, 2/19/11, dgp <dgpagano(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
From: dgp <dgpagano(a)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 3:35 PM
Hi Jerry,
Not sure where in East Tennessee your proven ancestor settled. Mine, Thomas
Baty/Bady Campbell was on Roan Mountain by 1800 in what is now Buladean, NC
in Mitchell County (formerly Yancey and before that Burke). The other side
of the Roan is Carter County, TN where the towns of Erwin and Unicoi are
located (not far from now Sullivan and Washington Counties in TN). There
has been some speculation Thomas Baty/Bady Campbell may have been related to
Zachariah.
Dorothy in N. FL.
Allied Families:
ROSE-HUGHES-WILSON-YOUNG-STREET-INGRAM-FRY(E)-TROUTMAN-MCCURRY-MCKINNEY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry H" > Jim I agree with your response to AT. To leave footprints
one must have
> instituted legal paperwork, Owned land which was sold back and forth, left
> a
> will
> which takes us back to owning land and goods. or lived in an area where
> TVA
> buried everything. My earliest "proven" ancestor was Zachariah settled in
> East TN.
> Jerry Hodge
>
>> AT,
>> I have been researching my family's genealogy for 30 years now. I knew
>> who my g-g-grandfather (John D. Campbell 1812-1890) was as soon as I
>> started. In all that time I have been unable to determine who his
>> parents were. I am relatively sure that I know who his parents were but
>> I don't have documented proof. For 20 of those years I lived in Raleigh,
>> NC and had ready access to the NC State Archives. I spent many Saturdays
>> there going through the files.
>>
>> Why was I unsuccessful? I have concluded that the reason is that my
>> g-g-grandfather was a poor farmer, and the poor leave very little in the
>> way of a paper trail. I suspect that a lot of Campbell researchers are
>> in the same boat. Their ancestors came from Scotland or Northern Ireland
>> with not much more than the shirt on their back. They probably worked as
>> an indentured servant to pay off the cost of their passage. Once they
>> had completed their indenture they left their former master with little
>> in their pocket. The indenture papers may be located in the archives of
>> Pennsylvania, but there wasn't much to distinguish "my" John Campbell
>> from scores of other John Campbells.
>> Jim Campbell
>> Kannapolis, NC
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COUSINS, To each their own. But for a Fact Saying Nothing has, nor it
will never solve any thing.
Seek & you will find, Ask & you will or should get an answr, AND, <ASK &
ANSWER QUESTIONS SOME ONE KNOWS>
MY Question?? Why would any one Have a <D. N. A. > test & then Hide the
results??? If one does not Compare just what good is the results going to do
any one in silence. NOW for those who missed Cuz Kevins report that the
Clan bCampbell <D. N. A. > results are in AZ, I do not know how, BUT I
believe that Compareing ones Test results with Clan Campbell Results COULD go
along way in connecting KINSHIP. AS I have been led to understand that there
is but one CLAN CAMPBELL. My Late Mother was An Amherst County Va Campbell.
I am not a Canadate for the TEST, but I am proud of My Campbell Family
Ancestry. Wheather & what Y;ALL Might think, I believe that This Bit that I
Posted, about where & how the Current Campbell's lak of Communication has
brought forth much interst in OUR Campbell family Connection <THANKS CUZ AT
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In a message dated 2/19/2011 3:35:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hardyplants(a)gmail.com writes:
On 19 February 2011 01:44, Jim Campbell <jim(a)w4bqp.net> wrote:
> AT,
>
> The reason that we haven't posted is that we have traced our genealogy
> back to our "brick wall". We have posted what we know but no one has
> that person in his line. We read each posting hoping to see a familiar
> name but "no joy". Perhaps we need to institute a "roll call" every so
> often on this list. Once a "roll call" is announced everyone posts
> his/her earliest ancestor.
With the wealth of information you all have, and obviously some
serious genealogists in the group, not just those who randomly want to
connect people by DNA or name on the off chance it might fit, has
anyone considered creating a joint project so that you can share the
basic of the families in each place in the USA, and their descendants?
That would give you a powerful database of families, with the evidence
to prove the connections that others could examine, and maybe correct
or support.
You seem to have some key lines which people bounce around. Maybe some
collaboration would show up more information and lives of enquiry,
that individuals have that could help others?
otherwise masses of information or random possible people seems to
have little genealogical integrity and is more likely to confuse than
inform. and I cannot see where berating members of a list, for not
posting, helps anyone.
:)
Jill
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Thank you very much. I will write to them immediately.
Anne
--- On Sat, 2/19/11, Jim Campbell <jim(a)w4bqp.net> wrote:
From: Jim Campbell <jim(a)w4bqp.net>
Subject: Re: [Campbell] Finding Marriage Records
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 2:27 PM
Anne,
If your Campbell-Adams marriage occurred in NC in the time frame you
mentioned, it was probably documented by a Marriage Bond. A Marriage
Bond is a man posting bond stating that he is eligible to marry a
certain woman. (I have never heard of the bond having to be forfeited.)
In NC all extant Marriage Bonds are kept in the NC State Archives in
Raleigh. You might write to the Archives and ask them if the
Campbell-Adams Marriage Bond exists. The people at the Archives are very
accommodating.
I have held the actual Marriage Bond of John D. Campbell and Elizabeth
Bumgarner dated 1838 in my hand.
Jim Campbell
On 2/19/2011 2:49 PM, Anne Ruby wrote:
> Donald, thank you for this information. In my case, the Campbell-Adams marriage was probably in NC around 1809. Which county is debatable, but likely one in which many of the Scots settled. It's possible a paper record does not exist for one reason or another.
>
> Anne
>
> --- On Sat, 2/19/11, Donald Draper Campbell<cmpblldd(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Donald Draper Campbell<cmpblldd(a)ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: [Campbell] Finding Marriage Records
> To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 11:15 AM
>
>
>
> Finding Marriage Records
> There are number of types or forms of marriages. You need to know when and
> where you think the marriage took place in tracking down a marriage record,
> if it does exist. There may be NO direct paper record of the marriage.
> Statutory Marriages: Statutory requirements for marriage which regulate the
> licensing and solemnization of marriages.
> Common Law Marriages: Common Law marriages my be defined as a civil
> contract between a man and a woman competent to contract, who mutually
> consent and agree to be husband and wife.
> Marriages by Proxy: Marriage by proxy was allowed by Roman Law and by Canon
> Law. It was possible for a man who was away from home to marry a woman by
> letter or messenger.
> Irregular Marriages: These marriages do not comply with the law, but are
> recognized as valid.
> Handfast Marriages: An early definition of âhandfastâ is the custom of
> handfasting, or contracting marriage.
>
> Marriages at Sea: The ship on which the marriage is performed is subject to
> the law of its place of registration by the flag it is flying.
> Indian Tribal Marriages: If the formalities, customs, and usage of the
> tribe are complied with the tribal marriages are valid.
> For further information see: Noel C. Stevenson, J.D., Genealogical
> Evidence: A Guide to the Standard of Proof Relating to Pedigrees, Ancestry,
> Heirship and Family History
>
>
> Donald Draper Campbell /
> Alexandria, VA USA
>
> Gyronny of eight Or and Sable, the first charged with four ibises' heads erased
> of the second, within a bordure Azure. Public Register of All arms and Bearin
> g in Scotland, Volume 65, Page 89 (matriculated 20 February 1984).
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Cuz AT,
Oh dear, I've prodded the Black and White David Campbell line, Campbell lines in Washington Co. NC which became TN, the Campbell lines of Bladen Co, Iredell Co. and other NC counties to no avail. Venturing into the Campbell lines of the Shenandoah Valley yielded less. I've even looked at the early NJ Campbells b/c of connections to the NJ Runion/Runyon family who intermarried in Indiana .
You are right that DNA would help narrow the field. But, as of yet, no male descendants are willing to comply.
Thank you for your suggestions. They are appreciated.
Anne
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Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 1:55 PM
In a message dated 2/19/2011 10:10:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aruby2003(a)yahoo.com writes:
I appreciate and totally agree with Jim's post. While my search has been
a relatively short period of 12 years, the paper trail has dried up for me
as well.
My earliest Campbell ancestor is James Campbell born 1782 NC who married
Martha Adams born 1789 NC
NOW CUZ ANNE; Lets Start Right Here; This was just after the REV,WAR.
Right, There were many of the Black & white <COLOR OF HAIR> Campbell's that
Came From Washington County Va with COL. William Campbell to Fight the Battle
of Kingsd MTN North Carolina & COW PENS S. C. Those ole campbell Boys
took a Shine to the TAR HEEL Girls & Just Stayed On in The Carolionas. the
usual proceder in family research is to Lean toward the Supposed Migrant
trail, From some Supposedly Foriegn Country, Where these Campbell's Came from,
an inland AQrea of America Y;ALL are Missing the origin of your Ancestors,
I believe that An efort to Make <D. N. A. > Connection with the Black &
White Campbell's from The valley of Va. on down to Washington county Va, will
lead to a connection. WELL ya done tried as your report says EVERY THING
ELSE & got 0
CUZ AT _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com)
. No marriage record has been found. One child was born 1810-1812 in TN
and the rest in Franklin & Shelby Co. IN. James and Martha died in Shelby
Co. IN 1837 and 1853. The first paper trail is a 1817 tax list and 1820
census in Franklin Co. IN. James somehow managed to purchase 160 acres
8/11/1821 in Shelby Co. IN. Only their headstones give me a clue to DOB or
DOD. I know James was a farmer, probably of Scottish descent, and may have
had a brother John, of Franklin Co., who purchased 80 acres 1/1/1823 of
adjoining land in Bartholomew Co. IN. John 'disappears' after 1840.
Unfortunately, I have not found a male 'cousin' willing to do a DNA test.
Early wills, probate, and land transfers have yielded no clues to either
Campbell or Adams lines.
So, there you have it. Poor farmers probably from Scotland without early
paper trails. Thanks, Jim, for the explanation. Perhaps the next
generation will have even better technology to pursue the elusive Campbell lines.
Anne (Campbell)
--- On Fri, 2/18/11, suzyh(a)ix.netcom.com <suzyh(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From: suzyh(a)ix.netcom.com <suzyh(a)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com, campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 6:01 PM
I agree with Jim's post. My genealogy tale is quite similar. I have been
working on my family lines for 30+ years and while I have traced all the
other lines back to the "old" and there as far back as the records go, I have
not solved my Campbell mystery line. The farthest back that I have been
able to go is my great, great, great grandfather-James Campbell. He was born
in 1789 in either Pennsylvania or Kentucky. He had several children while
living in Kentucky. Then he moved to Ripley County, Indiana where he died in
1829. He was a farmer in Indiana and probably in Kentucky also. There is a
land record for a James Campbell in Kentucky but it does not contain any
identifying information.
My cousin did provide a DNA sample which places my ancestors in the group
that came from Northern Ireland. There are many matches to the DNA results,
including a number of 67 marker matches but no one seems to have any paper
trails to connect us or to Northern Ireland. I have also joined the Ulster
DNA project. Again many matches, but no paper trails.
Maybe someday a match will have a paper trail.
Susan Campbell Hassenmiller
Bainbridge Island, WA
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>Sent: Feb 18, 2011 5:44 PM
>To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
>
> AT,
>
>The reason that we haven't posted is that we have traced our genealogy
>back to our "brick wall". We have posted what we know but no one has
>that person in his line. We read each posting hoping to see a familiar
>name but "no joy". Perhaps we need to institute a "roll call" every so
>often on this list. Once a "roll call" is announced everyone posts
>his/her earliest ancestor.
>
>I have been researching my family's genealogy for 30 years now. I knew
>who my g-g-grandfather (John D. Campbell 1812-1890) was as soon as I
>started. In all that time I have been unable to determine who his
>parents were. I am relatively sure that I know who his parents were but
>I don't have documented proof. For 20 of those years I lived in Raleigh,
>NC and had ready access to the NC State Archives. I spent many Saturdays
>there going through the files.
>
>Why was I unsuccessful? I have concluded that the reason is that my
>g-g-grandfather was a poor farmer, and the poor leave very little in the
>way of a paper trail. I suspect that a lot of Campbell researchers are
>in the same boat. Their ancestors came from Scotland or Northern Ireland
>with not much more than the shirt on their back. They probably worked as
>an indentured servant to pay off the cost of their passage. Once they
>had completed their indenture they left their former master with little
>in their pocket. The indenture papers may be located in the archives of
>Pennsylvania, but there wasn't much to distinguish "my" John Campbell
>from scores of other John Campbells.
>
>DNA is part of the way out of our problem. For example, my DNA and that
>of several other Campbells is very close to being the same. Some of
>these Campbells have their genealogy traced back to Union County, SC and
>from there back to Pennsylvania. Union County isn't all that far from
>where my g-g-grandfather spent most of his life in NC. The other part of
>the way out of our problem is to find a connection to a cousin who has
>been able to trace (and document) his genealogy further back.
>
>Jim Campbell
>Kannapolis, NC
>
>On 2/18/2011 5:20 PM, Atpowelljr(a)aol.com wrote:
>> Just How on earth did so many Campbell's Get on eato therth as
reluctant as
>> their Descendants are to Comunicate,___________________??? CUZ AT
>> <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
>>
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Finding Marriage Records
There are number of types or forms of marriages. You need to know when and
where you think the marriage took place in tracking down a marriage record,
if it does exist. There may be NO direct paper record of the marriage.
Statutory Marriages: Statutory requirements for marriage which regulate the
licensing and solemnization of marriages.
Common Law Marriages: Common Law marriages my be defined as a civil
contract between a man and a woman competent to contract, who mutually
consent and agree to be husband and wife.
Marriages by Proxy: Marriage by proxy was allowed by Roman Law and by Canon
Law. It was possible for a man who was away from home to marry a woman by
letter or messenger.
Irregular Marriages: These marriages do not comply with the law, but are
recognized as valid.
Handfast Marriages: An early definition of âhandfastâ is the custom of
handfasting, or contracting marriage.
Marriages at Sea: The ship on which the marriage is performed is subject to
the law of its place of registration by the flag it is flying.
Indian Tribal Marriages: If the formalities, customs, and usage of the
tribe are complied with the tribal marriages are valid.
For further information see: Noel C. Stevenson, J.D., Genealogical
Evidence: A Guide to the Standard of Proof Relating to Pedigrees, Ancestry,
Heirship and Family History
Donald Draper Campbell /
Alexandria, VA USA
Gyronny of eight Or and Sable, the first charged with four ibises' heads erased
of the second, within a bordure Azure. Public Register of All arms and Bearin
g in Scotland, Volume 65, Page 89 (matriculated 20 February 1984).
I appreciate and totally agree with Jim's post. While my search has been a relatively short period of 12 years, the paper trail has dried up for me as well.
My earliest Campbell ancestor is James Campbell born 1782 NC who married Martha Adams born 1789 NC. No marriage record has been found. One child was born 1810-1812 in TN and the rest in Franklin & Shelby Co. IN. James and Martha died in Shelby Co. IN 1837 and 1853. The first paper trail is a 1817 tax list and 1820 census in Franklin Co. IN. James somehow managed to purchase 160 acres 8/11/1821 in Shelby Co. IN. Only their headstones give me a clue to DOB or DOD. I know James was a farmer, probably of Scottish descent, and may have had a brother John, of Franklin Co., who purchased 80 acres 1/1/1823 of adjoining land in Bartholomew Co. IN. John 'disappears' after 1840.
Unfortunately, I have not found a male 'cousin' willing to do a DNA test. Early wills, probate, and land transfers have yielded no clues to either Campbell or Adams lines.
So, there you have it. Poor farmers probably from Scotland without early paper trails. Thanks, Jim, for the explanation. Perhaps the next generation will have even better technology to pursue the elusive Campbell lines.
Anne (Campbell)
--- On Fri, 2/18/11, suzyh(a)ix.netcom.com <suzyh(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From: suzyh(a)ix.netcom.com <suzyh(a)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com, campbell(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 6:01 PM
I agree with Jim's post. My genealogy tale is quite similar. I have been working on my family lines for 30+ years and while I have traced all the other lines back to the "old" and there as far back as the records go, I have not solved my Campbell mystery line. The farthest back that I have been able to go is my great, great, great grandfather-James Campbell. He was born in 1789 in either Pennsylvania or Kentucky. He had several children while living in Kentucky. Then he moved to Ripley County, Indiana where he died in 1829. He was a farmer in Indiana and probably in Kentucky also. There is a land record for a James Campbell in Kentucky but it does not contain any identifying information.
My cousin did provide a DNA sample which places my ancestors in the group that came from Northern Ireland. There are many matches to the DNA results, including a number of 67 marker matches but no one seems to have any paper trails to connect us or to Northern Ireland. I have also joined the Ulster DNA project. Again many matches, but no paper trails.
Maybe someday a match will have a paper trail.
Susan Campbell Hassenmiller
Bainbridge Island, WA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Campbell <jim(a)w4bqp.net>
>Sent: Feb 18, 2011 5:44 PM
>To: campbell(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [Campbell] IT Baffels the Ficklist figument of Imagination
>
> AT,
>
>The reason that we haven't posted is that we have traced our genealogy
>back to our "brick wall". We have posted what we know but no one has
>that person in his line. We read each posting hoping to see a familiar
>name but "no joy". Perhaps we need to institute a "roll call" every so
>often on this list. Once a "roll call" is announced everyone posts
>his/her earliest ancestor.
>
>I have been researching my family's genealogy for 30 years now. I knew
>who my g-g-grandfather (John D. Campbell 1812-1890) was as soon as I
>started. In all that time I have been unable to determine who his
>parents were. I am relatively sure that I know who his parents were but
>I don't have documented proof. For 20 of those years I lived in Raleigh,
>NC and had ready access to the NC State Archives. I spent many Saturdays
>there going through the files.
>
>Why was I unsuccessful? I have concluded that the reason is that my
>g-g-grandfather was a poor farmer, and the poor leave very little in the
>way of a paper trail. I suspect that a lot of Campbell researchers are
>in the same boat. Their ancestors came from Scotland or Northern Ireland
>with not much more than the shirt on their back. They probably worked as
>an indentured servant to pay off the cost of their passage. Once they
>had completed their indenture they left their former master with little
>in their pocket. The indenture papers may be located in the archives of
>Pennsylvania, but there wasn't much to distinguish "my" John Campbell
>from scores of other John Campbells.
>
>DNA is part of the way out of our problem. For example, my DNA and that
>of several other Campbells is very close to being the same. Some of
>these Campbells have their genealogy traced back to Union County, SC and
>from there back to Pennsylvania. Union County isn't all that far from
>where my g-g-grandfather spent most of his life in NC. The other part of
>the way out of our problem is to find a connection to a cousin who has
>been able to trace (and document) his genealogy further back.
>
>Jim Campbell
>Kannapolis, NC
>
>On 2/18/2011 5:20 PM, Atpowelljr(a)aol.com wrote:
>> Just How on earth did so many Campbell's Get on eato therth as reluctant as
>> their Descendants are to Comunicate,___________________??? CUZ AT
>> <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
>>
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CUZ_________________??? You may do well to Follow the Plan that I sugested
to CUZ JIM Campbell, Several ov em Over the MTN Boys too a Shine to em
Tar Heel Girls & For got to Bother with Going Back to Washington County Va,
Ya see Cowpens South Carolina is just A Short Way From Kings MTN, N. C.
Remember <ASK & ANSWER QUESTIONS SOME ONE KNOWS>
One more thing. These 4 words are the Foundation for the Greatest
Genealogical Brick wall one will ever encounter. <IT JUST CAIN'T BE>
They should NEVER be used in Family Research! YEP & from the higest TREE.
In a message dated 2/18/2011 6:53:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
shortinab(a)msn.com writes:
Hello,
Figured I'd throw my Campbell's out again. My great grandpa is WILLIAM
HUGH CAMPBELL born 16 Nov 1839 in Jackson Parish, Louisiana and d
ied 28 July 1903 in Jackson parish, Louisiana. Could never find out who
his Dad was until I got on ancestry.com.
Ancestry.com says that his father is WILLIAM HUGH CAMPBELL born 1805 in
North Carolina and died 1849 in Jackson parish, Louisiana.
Does anyone have a William Hugh Campbell in North Carolina?
Thanks!!!
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