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I think that if it were truly an issue of preserving history I find it
incredible that someone has not suggested flying the official flag of the
Confederacy (which is not the "Stars and Bars." The Stars and Bars was the
battle flag) The official flag was rather like early U.S. flags and goes
unrecognized by most Americans today. Texas is a State that proudly recalls
its "Six Flags" and in these more politically correct times one almost never
sees the Stars and Bars as the flag used to represent the Confederate Flag
that "flew over Texas" when Texas was a member of the Confederacy. The six
flags that are shown are the Royal French Flag, the Royal Spanish Flag, the
Mexican Flag, the Lone Star Republic flag, the Confederate Flag and the
current U.S. Flag. Most people are clueless that the fifth flag is the
Confederate flag, but it was in fact more correct than any battle flag. The
difficulty for the Confederacy and its official flag was that it was not
different enough from the Stars and Stripes and troops easily became
confused in the terror, fog, smoke and pain of battle, and so evolved over
time the Stars and Bars battle flag. I think "historians" should know the
history before claiming something is done in the name of history. I tend to
agree that the initial reason for flying the Stars and Bars was in defiance
of shifting social culture (albeit a futile defiance). I think the men and
women of the Confederacy should not be forgotten (and by that I mean all
races). But I also believe that there is no reason to fan flames of hate
and racial intolerance when a "historical solution" is readily at hand. Any
Campbells from both sides should be able to remember and revere their
ancestors that sacrificed all they had for a cause they believed in with the
two official flags from that time period. I am not personally descended
from any paticipants in that conflict. My ancestors came late in the 1800s
and early 1900s from Scotland and Scandinavia, but I have lived in both the
north and the south and feel that those who fail to understand that time and
culture have moved on are doomed to a bitter and painful live.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sears, Dirk J [mailto:SearsDJ@corning.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:04 AM
To: 'Campbell-L(a)genealogy.org'
Subject: The Confederate Flag
Fellow Clansmen,
We in the "North" shouldn't think more highly of ourselves than we ought
about the "South" and the Confederate flag. The North has blood on it's
hands, too. Slavery, if not as prevalent up north, was not too far behind.
Sorry, that's the truth of it. There were more issues at stake during the
War between the States than just slavery. Things like states rights and
emminent domain to name a couple. The sad thing is that brave men
of the same blood...kith and kin...fought and died against one another
because GOVERNMENTS couldn't agree. The Confederate flag bloody
well SHOULD make people uncomfortable. It makes me sick that men of honor on
BOTH sides paid the ultimate price...as is the case with
all war. The Confederate flag does not, however, offend me. The bloodshed
does. None of us were there during those dark years, and the history
books have painted a hopelesy biased picture of the conflict to the
detriment of the South in most cases. If it's the flying of a flag...which
is a very
REAL piece of history...that offends: SHAME ON US that we forget how much it
cost to have the choice to fly that flag. Let it remind, rather, that
unless we never forget the pain and suffering GOVERNMENTS have caused
humanity, we will have it to look forward to again. When I see the
Confederate flag, I think, "Brave men....all." He that has ears to hear,
let him hear.
All the best,
Dirk Sears-Campbell
Dear Campbell Cousins,
As friend Dirk Sears Campbell points out in the posts below, civil wars
are, by definition doubly tragic. Campbells fought on both sides in the
Jacobite wars. Members of my Pearsalls fought on both sides at Bosworth
Field. One was a member of Henry Tudor's bodyguard, the men who killed
Richard III (Plantagenet) who, by common descent from Rollo, First Duke of
Normanday, was related to the family of Pearsall. Civil strife seems a
common and tragic part of our long human history.
Take care,
Rosalie V. Grafe
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Sears, Dirk J wrote:
> Fellow Clansmen,
>
> We in the "North" shouldn't think more highly of ourselves than we ought about the "South" and the Confederate flag. The North has blood on it's
> hands, too. Slavery, if not as prevalent up north, was not too far behind. Sorry, that's the truth of it. There were more issues at stake during the
> War between the States than just slavery. Things like states rights and emminent domain to name a couple. The sad thing is that brave men
> of the same blood...kith and kin...fought and died against one another because GOVERNMENTS couldn't agree. The Confederate flag bloody
> well SHOULD make people uncomfortable. It makes me sick that men of honor on BOTH sides paid the ultimate price...as is the case with
> all war. The Confederate flag does not, however, offend me. The bloodshed does. None of us were there during those dark years, and the history
> books have painted a hopelesy biased picture of the conflict to the detriment of the South in most cases. If it's the flying of a flag...which is a very
> REAL piece of history...that offends: SHAME ON US that we forget how much it cost to have the choice to fly that flag. Let it remind, rather, that
> unless we never forget the pain and suffering GOVERNMENTS have caused humanity, we will have it to look forward to again. When I see the Confederate flag, I think, "Brave men....all." He that has ears to hear, let him hear.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dirk Sears-Campbell
>
>
_____________________________________________________________________________
"No matter where you've been --- here you are."
Fellow Clansmen,
We in the "North" shouldn't think more highly of ourselves than we ought about the "South" and the Confederate flag. The North has blood on it's
hands, too. Slavery, if not as prevalent up north, was not too far behind. Sorry, that's the truth of it. There were more issues at stake during the
War between the States than just slavery. Things like states rights and emminent domain to name a couple. The sad thing is that brave men
of the same blood...kith and kin...fought and died against one another because GOVERNMENTS couldn't agree. The Confederate flag bloody
well SHOULD make people uncomfortable. It makes me sick that men of honor on BOTH sides paid the ultimate price...as is the case with
all war. The Confederate flag does not, however, offend me. The bloodshed does. None of us were there during those dark years, and the history
books have painted a hopelesy biased picture of the conflict to the detriment of the South in most cases. If it's the flying of a flag...which is a very
REAL piece of history...that offends: SHAME ON US that we forget how much it cost to have the choice to fly that flag. Let it remind, rather, that
unless we never forget the pain and suffering GOVERNMENTS have caused humanity, we will have it to look forward to again. When I see the Confederate flag, I think, "Brave men....all." He that has ears to hear, let him hear.
All the best,
Dirk Sears-Campbell
Richard,
I don't find your call for outcry, but maybe I deleted it. In any case, if
you're still looking for opinions, here's mine: as I understand it, the
confederate battle flag was put up over the South Carolina Capitol in the
early 1960s, in obvious defiance of antisegregation legislation. This is
the best reason I can think of that it should come down. Ever since
Reconstruction, some southerners have defied the reality that we're all
related and blacks aren't inferior. They may say that it's about states'
rights and about history, but it's dark history, at best. I am certainly a
history buff and have been reading a lot about that period in our history,
including my own family, and even though I can try to understand how
southerners feel (I lived in South Carolina for nine years, and married a SC
girl), I can't escape the sense that the flag has more to do with bigotry
than with history.
I understand that flag defenders have offered to put it up in a separate
flag park, which I think would be an appropriate place for flags (all the
other battle flags, too) of historic significance, but it seems
inappropriate, at best, for it to fly over the capital. If it had always
flown there as a historic remnant I might feel differently, but the fact
that it was put up in defense of bigotry just bothers me. But then, that
flag has always stood for defiance.
There are many citizens of South Carolina for whom the flag is an insult --
should it fly over a capitol building that belongs as much to them as to the
other citizens? It would seem that some still struggle with the same issues
that so many died for, 135 years ago.
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Barbara, unfortunately I don't think so. My earliest Campbell located
thus far is George Washington Campbell b. 1810-1812 m. Harriet Sloan in
1832 (2) m. Louisa Hambrick 1849. If any of these names are familiar,
please let me know.
Thank you.
Faye Campbell Craig
Hurst, Texas
Barbara Coyle wrote:
>
> My ggggggrandfather was James Campbell b. 1786 m. Lucy Howard b. 1788 on
> 15/Dec/1804.
Hello listers,
I am new on this list and would be interested in hearing from anyone else
who may be researching the following people:
Alexander CAMPBELL
m. 1886 to Octavia (Unk)
Her family was suppose to be in the Burk's Falls area of Ontario, Canada.
Children: (that I know of)
Effie S. Campbell b.1887
Mary Eliza Campbell
I have seen a possible reference to them in both the IGI, and Pedigree
Charts for the LDS. But the contact information for the submitters was no
good. So I am back to searching. If the IGI info is for the same
Alexander Campbell then his birth date would be in 1855 in Elders Mills,
Ontario. Octavia (Phillips) would be 1859, Elders Mills, Ontario.
Thanks
Leslie
Rainy Montesano, WA
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Thanks to all who supported my message regarding Call for National
Outcry, there are to many reply's for me to answer personally, but the
results are as follows: 443 to continue flying said Flag, while only 5
spams want it removed. Thanks again to all and may History continue to
stay as it is and never get rewritten. See Ya! Richard
I am trying to locate descendents of my grandfather's sister. Her name was
Zetta Martin and she married a George Campbell and they had 2 children Gene
Campbell and Mary Louise Campbell (who may have married a man named George
too). Zetta was born ca 1900 in Buncombe Co NCZetta died ca 1940 of cancer in
Atlanta (we think).
We got the name Zetta from another family member but we are not sure if that
is her "real" name or a nickname. Her mother was Sallie Amazetta Buckner
Martin. I am just now in the process of ordering Buncombe County censuses,
but thought I would send this to the mailing list now just in case someone
did know about this family.
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Hey, everyone! Does anyone have any information on a Richard H. Campbell and
wife, Mary Jane Campbell who are buried in the Congressional Cemetery in
Washington, DC? Their son, Charles R. Campbell married Sarah (Sallie) A.
Reeves on 30 Oco 1869 in DC There is a Richard H. Campbell in the 1860 DC
Directory which states there was a Richard H. Campbell who was a
painter...don't know if they are one and the same....would appreciate any
help anyone can pass along. Thanks!
Best,
Elizabeth Culhane
in Fairport, New York
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Hello,
I have a reference book entitled "Combined 1829-1929 Land Ownership Atlas of
Branch County, Michigan, Showing Original Purchasers starting in 1829, & land
Ownership in the years of 1858, 1872, 1894, 1909, 1915 & 1929", published by
the Branch County Genealogical Society, 1996.
The information varies from very brief references ("s/he was here") to some
short biographical sketches of people in the area in 1894.
There are a number of Campbells included in this reference, and I'll be happy
to look up Campbells or any other lines list members think may have been in
Branch Co., MI during those years.
Thanks!
Becky Adkins
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Is there anyone on the list who has any information to share on the
following couple:
Asa Campbell, b. 1814 in GA, d. ??? in Chilton Co., AL
+ Mary Ann Rider b. 11 Feb 1824 GA, d. 5 Feb 1895 Chilton Co., AL
Any help would certainly be appreciated.
Harold Clements
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Wasn't sure my message was posted to mailing list on Wed, so I'm trying it again--Anybody out there have these Campbells in Kentucky?
Searching for family of gggrandfather Edward Green CAMPBELL, b abt 1825 in area around Princeton, Caldwell Co., KY. In 1845 he married Mary Eliza DE BALLAD (or BALLARD) b 1828 Tuscaloosa, AL. That's all the information that family records show. Have no death date for Edward or Mary Eliza.
They had two children (that I have record of), Rodolph Beri CAMPBELL, b 1846 in Princeton, Caldwell Co KY. and Nora G.CAMPBELL, b 1847 in Princeton, Caldwell Co, KY. Rodolph and wife Mary CRUTCHFIELD married in Christian Co, KY and then moved to Schickley, Fillmore Co, NE and reared their family. They are buried in Anadarko, Caddo Co, OK.
Would appreciate anyone who has information on any of these CAMPBELLS in Kentucky, Nebraska, and Oklahoma.
Alicia
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I have been searching for information on Harriet Campbell she was born
October 6, 1845. I think in Georgia, she married John William Smith b.
11-16-1845. They are my gggrandparents.
In the 1900 Census of Poinsett County, Arkansas it says that she was born
in Georgia. It also says her mother (name unknown) came from Georgia and her
father (name unknown) came from Ireland.
The Smith family had entered this information in the book Poinsett County
history, John & Harriet departed Fort Brandenburg, Ky for Old Wittsburg,
Arkansas They traveled by boat via the Ohio River to the Mississippi to the
mouth of the St Francis to Wittsburg, arriving during the late summer or
early fall of 1871.
They both have been walls for me. If anyone could help me I would appreciate
it.
Thanks
Debbie
Hi
2 i. Jane (Jessie) Cameron CAMPBELL, born 1846.
+ 3 ii. Christina CAMPBELL, born 1848.
+ 4 iii. Catherine Cameron CAMPBELL, born Abt. 1849 in Shropshire England;
died 8 May 1905 in Princess St Kew Vic Australia.
5 iv. Finlay CAMPBELL, born 1851
.ParentsArchibald CAMPBELL and Johanna CAMERON
Archibald3 CAMPBELL (Finlay2, Donald1) was born 1 May 1817 in Craigoughty
Aberfoyle Scotland, and died 12 Sep 1894 in " Micabil Station" Condobolin
NSW.. He married Johanna CAMERON1 13 Apr 1845 in Kalmallie Argyle Scotland,
daughter of Donald CAMERON and Jane. She was born 21 Dec 1823 in Kilmallie
Argyle Scotland, and died 4 Jul 1858 in "Tio" Kyneton Vic Aust.
Marjorie
in Sunny Australia
Hey Campbell researchers for Birmingham AL area. I ordered a death
certificate for my great grandmother and AL State Vitals sent me the wrong
person. It may be helpful to one of you;
Margaret Campbell married Barnett H. Mobley. Their daughter, Caroling
Mobley, married Dr. J.C. Abernathy. The informant was Judge Abernathy. Mrs.
Abernathy was 85 years old, and a widow when she died of Cerebral hemorrhage
Nov. 7, 1922. Caroline was born August 3, 1840 AL.
List,
I am looking for an Adelbert Campbell, born around 1850-60. Adelbert married
Barbara Ann Rupley in Wabash Co, IN. Barbara's family came from Lancaster
Co, PA to Wabash Co. Adelbert is my GGFather.
Barbara and Adelbert had a son, Albert born around 1880-90. Albert was just
one of many children. Albert married Cora Whitcraft around 1910 and my
Grandmother (Helen) was born in 1912.
I have no information prior to Adelbert. I know nothing of his family or
where he was born.
Since Adelbert is not a common name, I was wondering if you may have run into
it. If my
Adelbert rings a bell, please let me know.
Thanks Kevin.
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Still collecting info on Zach Campbell born abt. 1795 and would like to find
parents. He married Margaret Campbell and they lived in Campbell Co. Tn.
His children's names some of them are, Nancy, James L., Wyatt F., Laban.
Zach died in the 1860s. He was either from North Carolina or Va.
Sandra
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Joseph Campbell, born in South Carolina about 1795 is in the 1850 census
in Gordon Co., GA. Also present are Josiah, John,
and William. I am assuming these are his sons. Judging from the ages and
birthplaces of the children, the family had been in
Georgia 16 years. Josiah and Joseph are still in Gordon Co. in the 1860
census. I believe that at least some of them moved to
either Fannin or Lamar Co., TX before 1879 as Josiah's son John William,
b. Feb. 1850 was married in Lamar Co. in 1879.
Does anyone have any information on this family after 1860?
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Searching for family of Edward Green CAMPBELL, b abt 1825 in area around Princeton, KY. In 1845 he married Mary Eliza DE BALLAD (or BALLARD) b 1828 Tuscaloosa, AL. Have no death date for Edward.
They had two children (that I have record of), Rodolph Beri CAMPBELL, b 1846 in Princeton, Caldwell Co KY. and Nora G., b 1847 in Princeton, Caldwell Co, KY.
Rodolph and wife Mary CRUTCHFIELD married in Christian Co, KY and then moved to Schickley, Fillmore Co, NE and reared their family. They are buried in Anadarko, Caddo Co, OK.
Would appreciate anyone who has information on these CAMPBELLS in Kentucky, Nebraska, and then Oklahoma.
Alicia
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