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this is a sad little tale....but kinda fitting with our genealogy....might
explain WHAT happened to some or OUR people.
<< BUT FOR THIS...
By Lajos Zilahy, published in "The Bedside Esquire," Arnold
Gingrich, Ed., New York: Tudor Publishing Co., 1940.
He didn't stop to wash the turpentine from his hands,
but merely dried them on the rag that was hanging on a nail
behind the door.
Then he untied the green carpenter's apron from his
waist and shook the shavings from his trousers.
He put on his hat and, before going out the door,
turned to the old carpenter who was standing with his back
to him, stirring the glue. His voice was weary as he said:
A strange mysterious feeling had shivered in him
There had been a bad taste in his mouth.
For a moment his hand would stop moving the plane,
and his eyes would close, tired.
He went home and listlessly ate his supper.
He lived at an old woman's, the widow of Ferenz Borka,
in bare little room which had once been a wood shed.
That night on the fourth day of October, 1874 at a
quarter past one in the morning, the journeyman carpenter,
John Kovacs, died.
He was a soft-spoken, sallow faced man, with sagging
shoulders and a rusty mustache.
He died at the age of thirty-five.
Two days later, they buried him.
He left no wife, nor child behind, no one but a cook
living in Budapest in the services of a bank president, by the
name of Torday.
She was John Kovacs' cousin.
Five years later, the old carpenter in whose shop he
had worked, died, and nine years later death took the old woman
in whose shed he had lived.
Fourteen years later, Torday's cook, John Kovacs'
Twenty one years later in the month of March in 1895
in a pub at the end of Kerepesiut, cabbies sat around a red
clothed table drinking wine.
It was late in the night, it must have been three
o'clock. They sprawled with their elbows on the table, shaking
with raucous laughter.
Clouds of thick smoke from vile cigars curled around
them. They recalled the days of their military service.
One of them, a big, ruddy-faced, double-chinned coachman
whom they called Fritz, was saying:
"Once my friend, the corporal, made a recruit stick his
head into the stove..."
And at this point he was seized by a violent fit of
laughter as he banged the table with the palm of his hand.
"Jeez!" he roared.
The veins swelled on his neck and temples and for many
minutes he choked, twitched and shook with convulsive laughter.
When he finally calmed down he continued, interrupting
himself with repeated guffaws.
"He made him stick his head into the stove and in there
he made him shout one hundred times 'Herr Zugsfierer, ich melde
gehorsammst'...poor chump, there he was on all fours and we
paddled his behind till the skin almost split on our fingers."
Again he stopped to get over another laughing spell.
Then he turned to one of the men. "Do you remember,
Franzi?" Franzi nodded.
The big fellow put his hand to his forehead.
"Now... what was the fellow's name..."
Franzi thought for a moment and then said: "Ah . . .
a . . . Kovacs . . . John Kovacs."
That was the last time ever a human voice spoke the name
of John Kovacs.
On November the tenth, in 1899, a woman suffering from
heart disease was carried from an O Buda tobacco factory to
St. John's Hospital. She must have been about forty-five years old.
They put her on the first floor in ward number 3.
She lay there on the bed, quiet and terrified; she knew
she was going to die.
It was dark in the ward, the rest of the patients were
already asleep: only a wick sputtered in a small blue oil lamp.
Her eyes staring wide into the dim light, the woman
reflected upon her life.
She remembered a summer night in the country, and a
gentle-eyed young man, with whom their fingers linked she was
roaming over the heavy scented fields and through whom that
night she became a woman.
That young man was John Kovacs and his face, his voice,
the glance of his eyes had now returned for the last time.
But this time his name was not spoken, only in the mind
of this dying woman did he silently appear for a few moments.
The following year a fire destroyed the Calvinist rectory and
its dusty records that contained the particulars of the birth
and death of John Kovacs.
In January, 1901, the winter was hard.
Toward evening in the dark a man dressed in rags climbed
furtively over the ditch that fenced in the village cemetery.
He stole two wooden crosses to build a fire.
One of the crosses had marked the grave of John Kovacs.
Again two decades passed.
In 1923, in Kecskemet, a young lawyer sat at his desk
making an inventory of his father's estate.
He opened every drawer and looked carefully through
every scrap of paper.
On one was written: "Received 4 Florins, 60 kraciers.
The price of two chairs polished respectfully Kovacs John."
The lawyer glanced over the paper, crumpled it in his hand
and threw it into the wastepaper basket.
The following day the maid took out the basket and emptied
it in the far end of the courtyard.
Three days later it rained.
The crumpled paper soaked through and only this much
remained on it:
". . . Kova . . . J . . . "
The rain had washed away the rest; the letter "J" was
These last letters were the last lines, the last speck
of matter that remained of John Kovacs.
A few weeks later the sky rumbled and the rain poured
down as though emptied from buckets.
On that afternoon the rain washed away the remaining letters.
The letter "v" resisted longest, because there where the
line curves in the "v" John Kovacs had pressed on his pen.
Then the rain washed that away too.
And in that instant forty-nine years after his death
the life of the journeyman carpenter ceased to exist and
forever disappeared from this earth . . . But for this . .
Hello to The Campbells!
While trying to track down my ggg grandmother, Mary Campbell, I collected
the following information through the General Records Office. Still not
sure which one is my Mary but suspect it may be the Mary born in 1803...a
clue picked up from an LDS file.
The following births/christenings/marriages all occurred in Scotland (not
all pertain to Mary Campbell)
B 10 Feb 1795 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Archibald & MacIntyre,
Christian; Glassary parish
B 17 Feb 1795 Campbell, Mary Campbell, John & McDougald, Sarah;
B 24 May 1796 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Donald & Crawford, Isabel;
B 30 July 1797 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Peter & Campbell, Sarah;
B 10 May 1798 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Hugh & McCougan, Mary;
B 18 Dec 1798 Campbell, Mary Campbell, James & Campbell, Sarah,
B 8 Jul 1799 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Alexander & Ferguson,
Catharine, Glassary parish
B 21 Dec 1800 Campbell, Mary Campbell, James & Campbell, Sarah;
B 2 May 1801 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Archibald & McFayden, Mary,
B 10 Sep 1802 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Duncan & Buchanan, Anne,
B 23 Nov 1802 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Peter & Fisher, Mary,
B 3 Sep 1803 Campbell, Mary Campbell, John & MacTavish,
Elisabeth; Glassary parish
B 18 Oct 1805 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Duncan & Campbell, Sara;
B 14 Nov 1805 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Donald & McColl Cathrine;
B 12 Nov 1812 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Donald & Campbell, Jean;
B 5 May 1814 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Peter & Fisher, Mary;
B 4 Nov 1814 Campbell, Mary Campbell, John & Carmichael, Jane;
B 10 Jan 1815 Campbell, Mary Campbell, Charles & Campbell,
Margaret; Glassary parish
B 5 May 1815 Campbell, Mary Campbell, John & Rankin, Margaret;
M 14 Aug 1797 Campbell, Mary to McMaster, Dugald; Glassary parish
M 13 Jun 1829 McTavish, Lachlan to Campbell, Mary; Glassary
M 1861 McTavish, Alexander to Campbell, Jane; Milton
M 1869 McTavish, Alexander to Campbell, Christina;
M 1871 McTavish, Duncan to Campbell, Betty; Cathcart
M 1 Jan 1815 Campbell, Sarah to McMillan, Hugh; Barony
M 13 Feb 1816 Campbell, Sarah to Ferguson, William; Ardchattan
M 1 May 1816 Campbell, Sarah to Curry, John; Killean & Kilchenzie
M 24 Sep 1816 Campbell, Sarah to Bochanan, Hugh; Kilmore & Kilbride
M 29 May 1817 Campbell, Sarah to Dugald, John; Inverary & Glenaray
M 21 Dec 1817 Campbell, Sarah to Campbell, John; Glassary
M 12 Jul 1818 Campbell, Sarah to Cameron, John; Barony
M 15 Jun 1819 Campbell, Sarah to Stewart, Archibald; North Knapdale
M 4 Dec 1819 Campbell, Sarah to Graham, ?; North Knapdale
M 25 Oct 1820 Campbell, Sarah to Anderson, Thomas; Abbey (Paisley)
M 6 Nov 1820 Campbell, Sarah to Hatch, Thomas; Edinburgh
M 31 Dec 1820 Campbell, Sarah to Fleming, Joseph; Edinburgh
M 2 Feb 1822 Campbell, Sarah to MacKay, Hugh; Farr
M 16 Oct 1822 Campbell, Sarah to Adamson, William; Wick
M 20 Jan 1823 Campbell, Sarah to Lachlan McTavish; Glassary
M 17 Jan 1824 Campbell, Sarah to McEwen, Niel; Glassary
M 8 Apr 1824 Campbell, Sarah to McDougall, Alexander; Colonsay
M 1 Feb 1825 Campbell, Sarah to McLachlan, Donald; Morvern
M 18 Jun 1825 Campbell, Sarah to Paterson, Archibald; North Knapdale
M 30 Jul 1825 Campbell, Sarah to Rennie, John; Preston kirk
M 11 Dec 1825 Campbell, Sarah to Stewart, Robert; Barony
Births/Christenings (Campbell Mother):
C 18 Feb 1793 McTavish, Duncan McTavish, Donald & Campbell,
B 28 Aug 1793 MacTavish, Lachlan MacTavish, John & Campbell,
B 27 May 1797 Hamilton, Alexander Hamilton, Charles & Campbell,
B Jan 1795 MacTavish, Archibald MacTavish, John & Campbell,
B 19 Mar 1799 MacTavish, Elizabeth MacTavish, John & Campbell,
B 27 Nov 1796 MacTavish, Mary MacTavish, John & Campbell, Margaret;
B 10 Dec 1827 McTavish, Elizabeth McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell,
B 19 Jun 1831 McTavish, Mary McTavish, Lauchlan & Campbell, Sarah;
B 26 Apr 1833 McTavish, Archibald McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell,
B 2 Oct 1835 McTavish, Catherine McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell,
B 21 Aug 1830 McTavish, Margaret McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell,
B 19 Aug 1832 McTavish, Euphemia McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell,
B 25 Nov 1835 McTavish, John McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell, Mary;
B 1 Mar 1838 McTavish, Patty McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell, Mary;
B 24 Jun 1840 McTavish, Alexander McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell,
B 4 Feb 1830 McTavish, James McTavish, Lachlan & Campbell,
B 27 Dec 1831 MacTavish, John MacTavish, Lachlan & Campbell,
Sorry it was so long...Best of luck in the search
My grandmother was known as Nellie in her youth, her given name was Helen.
I don't see many requests for Mass. Campbell's. Looking for more about my
g-grandfather Hamilton Campbell who emigrated from an unknown location in
Scotland 1853-55. He is in the 1860 South Boston census with wife, Matilda
or Laura McLean, Son Lewis or Louis b. 1853, son William G. b. 1855, son
Wallace b/ 1858, and son Bruce b. 1859-60.
Gail Campbell Robinson <splitrockforge(a)acadia.net>
I am looking for any information on descendants of the following family:
Samuel Campbell (1807-1873), Mary Templeton (1814-1912)
Both born Ayrshire Scotland, (Dalrymple parish)
Emigrated to Michigan (near Bellville, Wayne County) in 1841
Children: Elizabeth b 1835
William b 1838
James b 1840
Robert Andrew, 1843-1928
Mary Jane 1850-1863
Anna Muir 1855-1878
?Sedgwick b 1858
also 2 other sons, born 1845 and 1847, one of whom likely named Samuel.
I would be interested in hearing from anyone who might have information on descendants. I have extensive info on ancestors of Samuel.
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Barbara wrote:
> I'm reposting to the mailing list and follows is whom I researching. If anyone
> can help me I'd appreciate it GREATLY!
> My 3rd great grandfather was John M.Campbell b.abt 1800 d.abt 1875 (his
> parents unknown at this time)
> This information came from Gedcom-Ancestory.com
What's this Gedcom-Ancestory.com? How reliable is their info? Where are
they getting their info?
I'm not finding any site by that name. Do you mean Ancestry.com?
Christine Gaunt, cgaunt(a)umich.edu or gaunt(a)genealogy.org
Campbell-L and BTRVETC-L listowner
Co-compiler of Genealogy Resources on the Internet
Is this the place where someone was asking about what names Nellie could be a
nickname for? I just happened to find a site on how people were named in
families for different cultures that it also had a list of different
nicknames. The list said that Nellie could be a nickname of Ellen, Helen or
I am interested in making contact with anyone doing research on the Campbell
and Clinton families in New Jersey, and particularly in Middlesex County.
On the Campbell side, the only records I have are on Lewis Campbell, b.
1811/12, presumably in New Jersey, and married to Delila Dey. According to
the 1850 census, they then had five children: John (17), Sarah Ann (15),
Mary J.(13), Elizabeth (10), and Elmira (1 yr).
On 5 July 1856, Sarah Ann married my great-grandfather, James L. Clinton.
The marriage certificate list James' residence as Union Valley, and Sarah's
residence as Old Bridge. The 1880 census shows they then had four children:
John (15), Charles (14), and George (7 yrs). My grandfather, Edward J., was
born in 1880 after the census, or in 1881. The 1900 census suggests there
was another son, James E., born March 1883. Beyond 1900, I have records
only on Sarah, John, and Edward.
A direct reply would be appreciated. Thanks.
Can anyone help here?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > ===================<><><><><><><><>==================
> > Any Campbell surname researchers out there in our McDonald-L that can
> > lend a helping hand for this query. I'm forwarding from OH Butler Co.
> > List.
> > Thanks Cordially, P.Woodward, McDonald and Ohbutler list member
> > =====<><><><<>>>>>>>><><><><><><><><><><>>>>>>========
> > This is not a CAMPBELL-L member reply directly to Sam Watts
> > If anyone else is interested in this info. let it be know
> > REPLY To : "Sam Watts" <buchinbuchin(a)worldnet.att.net>
> > From: "Sam Watts" <buchinbuchin(a)worldnet.att.net>
> > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:03:31 -0800
> > Subject: [OHBUTLER-L] CHARLOTTE CAMPBELL
> > To: OHBUTLER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Are there any CAMPBELL researchers out there who could tell me the
> > names of the man and his wife whose daughter CHARLOTTE CAMPBELL
> > married SAMUEL WATTS in Butler Co. OH. 1838? Any help would be greatly
> > appreciated. Thanks "Sam Watts" <buchinbuchin(a)worldnet.att.net>
I am seeking any information about the descendants and parents of James
b. abt 1810 and Jane Massie. Information I have is about 1800 to the
present. Below is
listed an abbreviated listing.
James W Campbell and Jane Massie m.1830 Nelson Co Va.
Alfred H. Campbell b. abt 1812 Possibly from a former
of Jane Massie
Benjamin F. Campbell b. 1833
Lawson Campbell b. abt 1835
Charles P. Campbell b. abt. 1840
Sarah A. Campbell b. abt 1830
Nancy Campbell b. abt 1838
Julia Campbell b. abt 1839
Benjamin Franklin Campbell b. 1833 d. 1906
Sarah A. Mays
Charles W. Campbell b.1858
William H. Campbell b. 1860
Benjamin Wise Campbell b. 1865 ?
McCagey F. Campbell b. abt 1868
Floyd Alexander Campbell b. 1877
James Willis Campbell b. 1878
John Robert Campbell b. 1881
David Tinsley Campbell b. 1893
Raymond Massie Campbell b. 1889
Stewart Day Campbell
Hiram Turner Campbell b. 1900
Mary Jane Campbell b. 1905
Gracie Campbell Died at age of 3
The areas covered in the above listing are Augusta Co., Nelson Co.,
Amherst Co., and
Lynchburg, Va. The above information is a combined effort of four
represents many hours and days spent in Libraries, Court houses, local
Internet searches. Any questions or input please contact me at my
I'm reposting to the mailing list and follows is whom I researching. If anyone
can help me I'd appreciate it GREATLY!
My 3rd great grandfather was John M.Campbell b.abt 1800 d.abt 1875 (his
parents unknown at this time)
This information came from Gedcom-Ancestory.com
He married in 1825 in Lauderdale Co,Alabama to Elizabeth Holt b.
abt.2-9-1808 d.? (her parents were Eliphus Holt and Elizabeth Hicks
(Elizabeth Hicks is recorded to be 1/2 Cherokee) Elizabeth Hicks parents
were Nathan Hicks b.abt 1743 in Virginia and Nancy Broom b.abt.1744
Cherokee Nation (now GA)
I'm looking for anyone who might have info. on either of these couples or
Eliphus died in Lauderdale County Alabama in 1826 I have a copy of his Will
and Probate but sadly not any more info on him. There were a approx 6
children born to their union.
May 99 Bring you many new Ancestors
Researching : Campbell,Holt,Hicks,Waggoner,Whiteneck
An Enos Campbell moved with his wife Elizabeth and family from South
Carolina to Walker County, Georgia, about 1840. Some of his descendants moved
to Alabama and then Cherokee County, Texas, from which sprung, eventually,
Thomas Mitchell Campbell, Governor of Texas in the first decade of this
century. Has anyone else researched this family?
Allan P. Gray in Round Rock, Texas.
I have only know one person with the name 'Nellie'. I have just asked
her and learned that 'Nellie' is her given name. I, of course, don't
know about others.
Home Page: http://home.att.net/~Campbell-house/
Message text written by INTERNET:firstname.lastname@example.org
>I hope this is not too dumb a question - - - -
is there a formal name for Nellie?
I'm sure it was used as a nickname for several given names; I can only
tell you that my grandmother's name was "Ella" and she was called Nellie.