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Hello I'm new to this group....I am looking for info on John Campbell who
was supposedly born in Elgin, Illinois. He was married to a Julia Eastman
who was supposedly born in New Hampshire. They had at least one child
Edwin Eastman Campbell b:05/27/1857 in Elgin, Illinois. Edwin eventually
made his way to Kansas. This has been terribly hard finding out anything
on these people! Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Janice Battle jbattle(a)cowboy.net
At 05:33 PM 9/25/97 -0600, Diarmid Campbell wrote:
>Kirk,
<snip>
>Has anyone thought of contacting the Mormon Family Research center In Salt
>Lake City to see whether they could send a train of freight cars to collect
>the material? Or at least microfilm these archives before they are destroyed?
According to the lady at the meeting, only some of these records have been
microfilmed and they admitted that there is the possibility that some of the
records might have been missed.
I will defer contacting the MFR to the OGS however, being that I work at a
newspaper, I was going to suggest they issue a "press release" to all the
papers. Because geneaology is the fastest growing hobby in the world today,
I'm certain there would be public support for this. As it stands there is a
"stay of execution" in effect until July 1998 until a decision is made on
how to proceed.
Kirk
One more thing about the records destructon that is currently being put in a
hold mode:
A lady at the Ontario Genealogical Society (Ruth Burkholder) has formed the
group called: APOLROD ( Association for Preservation of Land Office Records
"something", something")
She or Brian Gilchrist can be contacted through the OGS at (416) 489-0734
OR you can see the OGS web site at:
http://www.interlog.com/~dreed/ogs_home.htm
I don't know if there is information about the APOLROD project there or not.
Kirk
Edward,
Thanks for the messages.
Thank you also for sending the maps. I had not exactly thought of
publishing them directly but more of using the information in an article or
short 'filler' piece. There is no question of 'rushing into print' as I
don't put together another quarterly Clan Campbell Society (North America)
'Journal' until November, so I will certainly let you have comments.
Naturally I am most interested in the Campbell element.
As to the MacDiarmids/McDermids and all similar spellings, I am descended
(and got my name via my maternal grandfather) from one Catherine MacDiarmid
(mother of my great grandfather)who was daughter of Archibald MacDiarmid in
Glenlyon and his wife Amelia Robertson, daughter of Robertson of Inverack
(or Invervack) who was the heir to the Robertsons of Struan. As you may
know, Struan was northeast of Glen Lyon over the valley including Loch Rannoch.
At one point some years ago I got a number of other MacDiarmid descendants
to join with me in hiring a researcher in Scotland (we each put in about
$100) to start collecting material on that family. Before we ran out of
funds he mainly used the published sources. At that point we needed to go
from published sources to manuscript sources. However the Breadalbane
papers in the SRO (Scottish Records Office in Edinburgh) were then still
being catalogued, a 7 year task for one archivist, but that is now
completed. But I have not been back to the SRO to take a look at the
catalogue to see what MacDiarmid refrences might be found there. That would
be the next step in collecting the material on the family. As you may know,
most of the MacDiarmids on record tend to appear in the Breadalbane (Loch
Tay and Glen Lyon) area in the 17th and 18th century records.
I have given all the research material collected to a MacDiarmid in
California who hoped to be able to do some sorting and colating. I should
be back in touch with him but may have to work a bit to find his name and
address again as I moved house since then.
The Bells are (I am told by an Argyllshire local historian) in fact a sept
of Clan Campbell - but they are not included on the official list which has
been 'frozen' by our current Chief as not to be changed in his lifetime due
to the need not to disappoint many of those with the Sept names who have
long associated themselves with our clan but based not so much on
genealogical reserch as on a similarity of name to those on the list. These
'Sept Lists' were in fact made in the 19th century most likely by the
sellers of tartan who wanted to sell as much to as many people as possible.
They were later adopted by the Clan Chiefs without much if any research and
it is only now that they are being looked at critically by historians.
MacTavish is a name with two possible origins which I believe may in fact be
combined. One is from a gent named Tavis 'cor' (circa 1240) and the other
from a later gent named Sir Thomas Campbell who is on record in (I think)
1293 or 1296. In the first case the traditional pedigrees of the O'Duibne
(the original Gaelic name of the Campbell family who adopted 'Cambel' from
the nickname of Dugald O'Duibne 'can beul' or curved mouth in the mid twelve
hundreds, his son Gillespic is on record in 1263 and 1266) show Tavis 'cor'
as having been an O'Duibne whose descendants did not take the name Campbell
because they branched before the above Dugald.
There are two societies of MacTavish people and they are having problems so
I won't go into that at present as it is a large subject and not resolved
clearly at present, although the Lord Lyon has provisionally granted the
arms to one of the family. MacTavishes are of course a part of Clan
Campbell - the heraldic arms of their chiefly family show the gyronny of
eight or and sable of the Campbells and the motto answers that of our Chief
(whose motto is Ne Obliviscaris') with 'Non Oblitus'. The original seat of
the family was at Dundardry in Mid-Argyll which was destroyed when the
Crinan Canal was built in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. It was
basically a simple drystone and thatched single story house.
Blue is an Argyllshire name also, from Loch Awe. I forget the origins in
the Gaelic. I always think they should get themselves into a sub clan or at
least a kinship society of some kind as it is a relatively rare name and
with a good geographical origin. I remember a fine lad called Blue in LA in
the sixties whose father was in the film industry.
The Munros have more than one origin I suspect - or at least there were
northern Munros and Argyll Munros. The burgh of Inveraray in Argyll many
think should have been full of Campbells, because it was at the castle of
the Chief, but in fact the inhabitants in the 17th and 18th century were
mostly Munros, Fishers and Browns. Of course the most famous is the author
Neil Munro from Inveraray whose novels are coming back into style and likely
to be reprinted. His Para Handy tales have been made into more than one TV
series in Scotland.
Sinclair in Argyll is often the Anglicised version for MacNocaird. In the
17th and 18th century in Argyll there was a well known family of MacNocaird
doctors. But 'caird' was originally from the word for jeweller in the Middle
ages and that deteriorated into 'tinker' or the itinerant pot menders (now
known as 'traveling folk'). So some of the MacNocairds, rather than being
called 'Tinkler' (from the sound of the pot repairs) took the name Sinclair
instead in Argyll. However the northern Sinclairs of Caithness descend from
Norman St.Clairs in the area about Roslyn near Edinburgh and are of a
different descent entirely.
As a child I remember one Mary McLarty in Argyll. She was a tenant of my
uncle Bruce Campbell of Arduaine and lived in a thatched cottage her
grandfather had built. The floor was paved with slabs of stone set right on
the ground and there was a corner missing from one stone and in that space
she used to pour the milk for the cat. I am told that she asked me (aged
about 5 I imagine) what I thought of her house, I answered (because of the
thatch) "You don't live in a house, you live in a haystack." Fortunately
this caused great merriment. The name is now rare in Argyll and I do not
know much about the origins.
As to the origins of the MacDiarmids, there are two theories. One is that
they came into Glen Lyon from Argyll and the other that they came from Moray
and were originally of the 'tribe of Loarn' or the early Dalriadic peoples
who had taken over Lorne in Argyll from the Picts after 500 AD. These for
some reason later moved to Moray (between Aberdeen and Inverness)and MacBeth
was said to be of that tribe of Loarn. There are records of a priest called
McKermit in the 14 hundreds which look as though the name was around in
those times ('k' is not used in the Gaelic so it was a phonetic
transcription generally accepted as having been MacDiarmid. I know of no
earlier references and most in Breadalbane do not date from earlier than the
17th century.
I put this to the List as maybe there were others for whom it mgiht be of
interest.
If you have more questions I will do my best to answer them.
All best, Diarmid
This is an attempt to re-send an E-Mail originally intended to go to the
List in answer to a question about Campbell and MacDonald/MacDonnell
relations in connection with Ireland in the 16th century. Becuse I used the
"return path" address on her message, mine never went to the List but to the
wrong place.
If this does not work I will make other attempts later.
All best, Diarmid
My wife attended a meeting of the Ontario Genealogical Society A couple of
nights ago and brought back this rather disheartening news:
The Land Record Offices in Ontario stores information from the 1790's forward.
The information is a veritable treasure trove of research material, it contains:
Marriage Settlements
Patent Records
Oath of Office Register
Indian Land Sale to non-native individuals
Canada Registers - plans of highways/phone lines to reservations
Lists of naturalization records
Wills
Purchase of house
Guardianships to estates
Oath of minister to perform marriages
Orders of protection for married women
They also have debenture books and schools, sidewalks roads etc.
The bad news: The Ontario government is in the process of destroying these
records forever and only keeping the records for the past 50 years. The City
of Toronto has already destroyed the records up to 1945.
The lady that gave the presentation stated that they have secured a
temporary stay of execution for these records because she told them how
valuable this information is to many, many people.
If you are researching your family history in this area, I can tell you how
to access these records for the time being if you send me an email, so we
don't clutter the list or, I can post it if you wish.
Finally, you can access some of the government archives at:
http://www.gov.on.ca/mczcr/archives
I hope this is helpful to someone.
Kirk
Ian: Most of the Carnegie names including the town of Carnegie (which is
probably an incorporated borough) are in the western part of Pennsylvania,
near Pittsburgh. I don't get out there much. This is the coal and iron ore
"capital" of Pennsylvania. You may remember from your American history lessons
that George Washington was once (1754 if my memory serves me correctly)
charged with the task of removing the French and Indians from the forks of the
Ohio River (the French Fort Duquesne). Many Campbells (being mostly Scots
and Scotch-Irish) fought along the frontier in these wars and then settled.
Many Campbells also fought on both sides during the Revolution. So it is
possible that John Campbell was a friend of George, perhaps fought with George
early on the frontier, and then eventually settled near Pittsburgh
establishing Campbellsburg which eventually was renamed to Carnegie. Or,
perhaps John was a friend of George later in life and settled in eastern
Pennsylvainia. This of course is just speculation. It would help to know when
John was a friend of George since more is known about the life of George. My
bet would be that a detailed research of township, town, and borough genealogy
would expose the location of Campbellsburg and the dates of settlement and
perhaps sources on the history of the early inhabitants and particularly that
of the founder. This would be an interesting study but would need to be done
locally since, as far as I know, these records have not been computerized as
yet. Perhaps you can find some local Campbell to help. Good luck. Jim.
I work with digital geographic data every day. So it was easy for me to
search for Campbellsburg, PA. Sorry, Iain, Campbellsburg is NOT on the
current list of "census places" (all incorporated municipalities of
what- ever size plus similar unincorporated "census designated places")
as reported by the US Census Bureau. As you indicated, Campbellsburg is
most probably a FORMER place.
But, while I was at it, I searched the entire database of 23,440 census
places for variations of "Campbell," "Argyle," and "Scot" and got 60
hits (one out of every 390 places in the US) and the entire database of
3,141 counties and got 19 hits (one out of every 165 counties).
I would be happy to mail anybody the list of the 60 places and 19
counties, including a page-size map showing their distribution. Just
send me your name and mailing address.
Not surprisingly, these names are most common in the Ohio River valley
and Midwest. They are least common in New England, the deep South, and
the far West.
FYI, there are only five such names in Pennsylvania: Scott Township
(1990 population 17,118), Scottdale (5,184), Pen Argyl (3,492),
Campbell- town (1,609), and Glen Campbell (313).
Coincidenally, the name Iain asked about combines Campbell with "berg."
This suffix is most common in Pennsylvania, most certainaly due to that
state's relatively large number of German settlers. Altogether, there
are 421 census places in the US with some variation of "burg" in their
names (one out of every 56 places in the US). After Pennsylvania,
"berg" occurs most frequently in the Ohio River valley and the Midwest.
Technical note: Later, I'll search for Campbellsburg in another
database (GNIS) which theoretically contains every name ever used on a
topographic map. Some of these names are "historic," i.e. no longer in
current use. Otherwise, I cannot suggest any other sources for Iain to
use other than the traditional labor of library research. Maybe some
subscriber to this list who is doing library research in Pennsylvania
could help.
Iain Sommerville wrote 09/24:
>
> Good morning, everyone.
>
> I have just heard from a friend of mine of a former settlement in
> eastern Pennsylvania, which was called Campbellsburg. Apparently it
> was founded by one John Campbell, a pal of George Washington.
>
> Does anyone have any information about this, or can you point me to a
> source?
>
> --
> Iain Sommerville
> Burntisland, Fife, Scotland
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Edward, Dirk, Shanna, Jim
Many thanks for your replies. I checked with my friend to see if she
had any other information. Two wee bits:
1. The settlement formerly known as Campbellsburg was in an area which
she thinks is now called Carnegie Borough.
2. John Campbell was described as a "Scottish" friend of George
Washington.
Iain
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Burntisland, Fife, Scotland
Here is a list of all of the "Campbell" named placed I know of.....
Campbell, Dunklin, Missouri
Campbell, Franklin, Nebraska
Campbell, Georgia
Campbell, Kentucky (county)
Campbell, Santa Clara, California
Campbell, South Dakota (county)
Campbell, Steuben, New York
Campbell, Taylor, Texas
Campbell, Tennessee (county)
Campbell, Virginia (county)
Campbell, Wyoming (county)
Campbell Hall, Orange, New York
Campbell Hill, Jackson, Illinois
Campbell River, British Columbia, Canada
Campbell Town, Tasmania, Australia
Campbell Township, Ionia, Michigan
Campbell Township, Jennings, Indiana
Campbellford, Northumberland, Ontario, Canada
Campbell's Bay, Pontiac, Quebec, Canada
Campbell's Crossroads, Caswell, North Carolina
Campbellsburg, Washington, Indiana
Campbellsburg, Taylor, Kentucky
Campbellsport, Fond du Lac, Wisconsin
Campbellsville, Taylor, Kentucky
Campbellton, Atascosa, Texas
Campbellton, Cumberland, North Carolina
Campbellton, Restigouche, New Brunswick
Campbelltown, Lebanon, Pennsylvania
Campbelltown, New South Wales, Australia
Campbelltown, South Australia, Australia
Campbelltown, Southland, New Zealand
Campbellville, Halton, Ontario, Canada
Cambeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Good Luck!
Shanna
sjones(a)redrock.net
Good morning, everyone.
I have just heard from a friend of mine of a former settlement in
eastern Pennsylvania, which was called Campbellsburg. Apparently it
was founded by one John Campbell, a pal of George Washington.
Does anyone have any information about this, or can you point me to a
source?
--
Iain Sommerville
Burntisland, Fife, Scotland
Sorry for the repeat posting.....I didn't put a subject header in the first
one!!!!
Hi all, I am researching Margaret Campbell, wife of Alexander Campbell. She
was the g-granddaughter of the 2nd Earl of Argyll, who fell at Flodden Field
in 1513.
A person on the net sent me the following references on her, both of which I
am unable to find as I don't know any Clan Gregor sources in Norman,
Oklahoma! If anyone has access to these, or OTHER info on Margaret Campbell
or the 2nd Earl of Argyll, I would be very interested!!!
Charles G. Kurz & Thomas G. Magruder, Jr.,"The Ancestral History of
Margaret Campbell of Keithick," Yearbook of the American Clan Gregor
Society, 62 (1978), 55-65;
and idem, "The McGruder Lineage in Scotland to Magruder Family in America,"
Yearbook... 63
(1979), 53-71.
Joe Gentile
P.O. Box 33
Norman, OK 73070-0033
kahless(a)ix.netcom.com
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Hi all, I am researching Margaret Campbell, wife of Alexander Campbell. She
was the g-granddaughter of the 2nd Earl of Argyll, who fell at Flodden Field
in 1513.
A person on the net sent me the following references on her, both of which I
am unable to find as I don't know any Clan Gregor sources in Norman,
Oklahoma! If anyone has access to these, or OTHER info on Margaret Campbell
or the 2nd Earl of Argyll, I would be very interested!!!
Charles G. Kurz & Thomas G. Magruder, Jr.,"The Ancestral History of
Margaret Campbell of Keithick," Yearbook of the American Clan Gregor
Society, 62 (1978), 55-65;
and idem, "The McGruder Lineage in Scotland to Magruder Family in America,"
Yearbook... 63
(1979), 53-71.
Joe Gentile
P.O. Box 33
Norman, OK 73070-0033
kahless(a)ix.netcom.com
check out my genealogy home page at http://members.aol.com/ftnkid/index.htm
-- [ From: Coach Cal Campbell * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
I am searching for the siblings and parents of John J Campbell, b.
1845/9 in SC. He married Cynthia Jane elmore in Darlington Co, SC in
1874. John is not listed in the 1850-1870 census records. Neither is
he listed in any court records as an heir or receiver of property. In
the 1900 census, he states that his father was from Ireland and his
mother was from SC. Does this match anyone?
Cal Campbell
gyhg84a(a)Prodigy.com
CAMPBELL (1775+) in Bracken Co, KY (+Allen & Barren Co.+)
w/ KELSEY; HOGG
I have made little headway in the finding information on my
GG...Grandmother. After finding her marriage record and birth of their
daughter, I am still come up empty for parents, siblings for her.
Margaret CAMPBELL was born about 1775?. She married 13 May 1798 in Bracken
County, Kentucky to John KELSEY. Margaret and John had at least one child,
Elizabeth KELSEY, in 1800 in KY.
There is at least one land record (KY land grant 100 acres) for a Jno Kelsey
in Barren County in 1807 at Glover's Creek. (there is also a Moses KELSEY
with a land grant there in 1804.
When their daughter Elizabeth married William HOGG in 1820, Margaret and
John were living in Allen County, Kentucky. William lived in Barren County,
KY where his family had been since before 1810.
If you have ~ANY~ CAMPBELLs in the Bracken Co, KY area around 1775-1800 or
the other counties mentioned, please, please look for my ancestor in your
information. Anything will be helpful. Thank you very much. I look forward
to hearing from you soon.
Karen Hogue McClaran "Digger" <mcclaran(a)concentric.net>
McClaran Tree Climbers Genealogy Services
"Life is not trying, it is merely surviving, if you are standing outside the
fire." ~Garth Brooks~
Rowena
Thanks for the message.
It's easy to answer your questions:
* The Isle of Skye is in Highland (Monica's list); still Highland
* Argyll is in Strathclyde (Monica's list); now in Argyll and Bute
* Perthshire is in Tayside (Monica's list); now in Perthshire &
Kinross
There's not really an easy way to work this out, I'm afraid.
There are now 32 local authorities, more like the old counties.
Hope this helps.
Iain
--
Iain Sommerville
Burntisland, Fife, Scotland
Iain,
I would have sent this message last week, only I've been away, so 'pologies
for drowing out the issue.
I found your message helpful and didn't read it as being critical, or
nit-picky.
When I saw Monica's posting I first thought "Oh good! That sounds useful"
and then "Oh bummer! I don't recognise any of those county names from my
genealogical research". Your posting then confirmed what I was puzzling
over. I believe that in Scotland the names of the counties have recently
been reorganised, and their names are different both to those that appear
on your list and to what they used to be called when my ancestors lived
there.
So, I'm interested in the Isle of Skye, Argyllshire and Perthshire. Anyone
know an easy way to determine how they are now classified, and into which
of the regions mentioned below they fall?
"Dumfries-galloway
borders
stratclyde
lothian
fife
central
tayside
highland
buchan-grampian
orkney-islands
western-isles
shetland-island"
Best Regards to all,
Rowena Campbell
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Hi, Folks,
It's been ages since I posted my Campbell brick wall, so here she is
again:
Millie Ellen CAMPBELL (? ___ 1843 or 44) - (? ___ 1893). She was born
somewhere in Kentucky; married in Kirksville, Adair County, MO; died in
Tacoma, Pierce County, WA. I've found her on the 1860 US census already
married to Hiram Hays Swasey; have not been able to find her on the 1850
US census.
m. (6 May 1860) Hiram Hays SWASEY (30 Apr 1836) - (24 May 1912)
Their children:
Lillian Belle SWASEY (29 Jul 1861) -
Elmer Pierce SWASEY (15 Feb 1863) -
Ida Alice SWASEY (20 Jan 1865) - (? Nov 1950)
m. (bef 1885) Charles B. GEDDIS ( ) - (27 Jan 1885)
m. (30 Nov 1887) John Isham PACKWOOD (29 Sept 1861) - (1
Nov 1937)
Charles P. SWASEY (21 Dec 1868) -
Jeanetta May SWASEY (1-Apr-1874) -
m. __________ ZIMMERMAN
m. Albert RAYTON
m. C. E. CROW or CRAUR
Johnny B. SWASEY (1-Feb-1876) -
Hiram Haze SWASEY (13 Apr 1878) -
George Calhoun SWASEY (22 Nov 1881) -
Hazel Ellen SWASEY (7-Nov-1885) - (22 Feb 1912)
m. Arthur W GREY
Please let me know if you have a Millie, Mildred, or maybe even Ellen, in
your Campbell info. I'd really like to find her parents. Thanks!
Chris
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