Thanks Lonnie -- have to try every single avenue!
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From: camp-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:camp-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Lonnie Knight
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 1:51 PM
To: camp(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAMP] Wife of Nicholas Camp
Sorry, none of the names you mentioned are in my records.
Lonnie Knight
lknight609(a)aol.com
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From: Annie McMullen <bramasole(a)cox.net>
To: camp <camp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 22, 2013 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: [CAMP] Wife of Nicholas Camp
Does anyone have a J. J. Camp (we believe John Jackson Camp) in their family
tree who may have hailed from North Carolina and made his way to Alabama?
One of his sons was William Anderson Camp (my great great grandfather) who
would marry two Jeter sisters and then a woman with surname "Bell".
William Camp's First son was Greenberry camp and second born son - Alonza
Camp (my great grandfather). Quite a lengthy list of children as well with
the first Jeter sisters. Any information would be appreciated as I have
really come up against a brick wall with John Jackson Camp.
Annie
Bristol Rhode Island
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From: camp-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:camp-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of VLMcCown(a)aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:20 PM
To: camp(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CAMP] Wife of Nicholas Camp
Hey Jim,
Yeah, it's the truth, for sure. Since the controversy came up again, I
just did some more research into some of the earlier records, and you are
right...none of them referenced a last name for Nicholas Camp's wife,
Sarah.
I now believe that he had a wife named Sarah, last name unknown, and that
people think that her last name was Elliot because he traveled with his
wife Sarah and a Rev. John Elliott, and maybe someone leaped to the
conclusion or misread the data and formed the idea that Sarah and John were
related somehow. It's too bad when the erroneous information creeps into
other books and family trees and is perpetuated. I sometimes use data from
other people's trees, too, but often I see glaring mistakes so I use the
data advisedly and with caution. (I put in my source notes any observations
I make, and any controversies about the data. I saw one today in which the
last listed child (also a Nicholas Camp) was born 10 years after his mother
died.
Seems improbable...Things like that really stand out when I analyze the
data and start studying them. One big mistake like that makes me question
everything that person has done, rightly or wrongly.
It's great that the amount and variety of sources keeps improving over
time. I hadn't been on
Ancestry.com for a few years, and recently got a
new subscription....so was quite amazed at how many new things are on there
since I last looked. And more readable, too. Now, all we need to do is
invent a time machine, so we can travel back in time and ask these pesky
forebears the questions we have about them!
I like your quote about genealogy isn't fatal, but it may be a grave
disease. Ha!
good pun.
What are some of the worst mistakes in the book for your mother? I haven't
put the info into my program yet, but may get around to it eventually.
I'd hate to perpetuate the wrong data. I guess it's good that the truly
dedicated ones of us keep going back over our data, searching out new clues
and checking things out. Thanks for getting me started on this again
today.
Hadn't looked at the Camp line in awhile. Side-tracked easily with other
lines. Now I see I'm going to have to go back and retrace many names.
My line comes from the Camps from England, Thomas>Robert>Edward I> Edward
II>Edward III>John>Ichabod>Samuel>Cellius (Cecil)>Williams
Washington>Williams Peter>Alvin Morse>and my father, Alvin Marion Camp.
There sure are a lot of offshoots on that particular tree.
I appreciate your careful attention to research details. Good to hear
from you and thanks for the quick response.
Val (Camp) McCown
In a message dated 3/22/2013 11:59:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ottmer(a)comcast.net writes:
Hi Val,
I hope we can get everyone to give up the notion that Nicholas Camp married
Sarah Eliot. Nicholas did marry a Sarah (Unknown) prior to coming to New
England. If we believe the age of his son, Nicholas Jr., at death then that
would mean that Nicholas Jr. was born in England in 1625 which is several
years prior to Nicholas landing in Boston on 16 Sep 1632. (Other information
states that Nicholas Jr. was born on board ship enroute to New England.) As
I recall from the research I did on the Eliots, Sarah was the only one for
several generations. Sarah and her husband died 1 year apart. Both are
buried in the Eliot Bury Ground in Roxbury.
There are many books that get all the Samuel Camps mixed up because there
were 3 living in Milford at the same time. Careful research does sort it
out though.
It is sad that there are books with incorrect information in them. I have
found many such books, and the book you referenced for my mother also has
wrong information in places. Better information came later plus I used
research done by others and that was a huge mistake. All our databases get
better each day because more information is put on the internet.
Jim Ottmer
Genealogy is not fatal but it can be a grave disease.
ottmer(a)comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: VLMcCown(a)aol.com
To: camp(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:59:09 AM
Subject: Re: [CAMP] Wife of Nicholas Camp
Jim,
Thank you for the information on the Sarah Elliot that married William
Curtis. Aha! Yes, one of the troubles with names is that so many people
shared the same names...first names, and even given names. There were
several Nicholas Camp(e)s, Thomas Camp(e)s, etc. Probably more than one
Sarah Elliot, too. I have heard that the Camp, Jones, and Related Families
book has errors, but was unsure which "facts" were controversial. Seems
like this marriage of Nicholas Campe and Sarah Elliot is one of those
challenged facts.
I also have her parents as Bennet Eliot and Lettice Agger. So this must be
the one that married william Curtis as evidenced by the other sources you
mention. Ok, back to square one on Nicholas Camp's wife. Would it be
possible that William Curtis died and she remarried one Nicholas Camp? Did
she die before her husband William Curtis?
I think you did a good job on the book you made for your mother, Florence
Camp. I enjoy it, even though your Camp line and mine veer off several
generations back.
The father I have for this particular Nicholas Camp is John Camp(e),
christened Feb 1566.I will have to look up that issue of the CT Nutmegger.
Thanks for the tip on that resource.
Val (Camp) McCown
In a message dated 3/22/2013 8:22:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ottmer(a)comcast.net writes:
Hello Everyone,
Sarah Eliot was the daughter of Bennet and Lettice Eliot. Baptized at
Widford, Hertford, England on 13 Jan 1600 at St. John the Baptist parish.
She
married William Curtis on 6 Aug 1618 in Nazeing.
Sarah, her husband, their four children and her brother, the Rev. John
Eliot, immigrated to Roxbury in 1631 also aboard the Lyon.
Admitted to Roxbury Church as member # 38 and is documented as "Sarah
Curtis, the wife of William Curits" Buried in Roxbury, MA.
The Curtis Genealogies and the Eliot genealogies have documented these
facts. In fact The Eliot genealogy was published in the last few years in
NEHGS Register; I don't recall the specific issue. So please stop using
Sarah Eliot as the wife of Nicholas Camp.
There is some confusion over the father of this Nicholas Camp. There were
at least three Nicholas Camps who were born and baptized within a few years
of each other in Nazeing, England. John D. Baldwin III wrote an excellent
discussion on this subject for the June 1997 (Volume 30, Number 1, page
63)
issue of "The Connecticut Nutmegger".
Jim Ottmer
Genealogy is not fatal but it can be a grave disease.
ottmer(a)comcast.net
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