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I have been giving some thought to this commercialization issue. I use
several genealogy websites regularly. I only pay an annual fee to one of
them, Ancestry.com. Since that one charges for access to its databases, I
wouldn't like to see it using my information for gain. Therefore I do not
upload info to that site. However, I guess as long as I can go to a
genealogy website and search their databases for free, I actually have no
problem with that site using data - as long as I understand beforehand that
they will do so - to make a profit. It would be nice however, if the proper
sources were noted.
There is absolutely nothing to stop any one of us from exploring the various
surname message boards on the Internet and putting a book or CD together for
profit. However, source information would probably be sadly lacking. I
frequently share information that I have found in books, etc., with other
"cousins" that I have encountered on the 'net. I personally am putting
together a genealogy notebook for my mother, siblings, and aunts and uncles.
I'm also going to put it on a CD to give to those who have donated
information. It's not for sale, however, I am listing sources, even if it is
as little as an e-mail address, so the reader can judge accuracy for
themselves. I am doing so primarily for those descendants that may want to
look for additional verification and who want to do further investigation
down the road. So if a "cousin" that I have encountered, wants to take my
information and publish it, I have no problem with that, as long as I
understand that it will be used for that purpose and the source is noted.
I'd also like the opportunity to purchase the volume! I do think that living
persons should be noted as LIVING only. My own family volume will contain all
of the names down to my grandchildren. They will be delighted to see their
names in print. Others will not see any information on anyone living,
however.
People need to realize - what you post on a message board is public. What you
e-mail to a surname list (or any other kind of mailing list) is public.
E-mail itself is not as private as people would like to believe.
This is my opinion and ,as such, can easily be disagreed with. To each their
own.
Judith in SD
"A proud descendant of Samuel Camp, War of 1812 veteran"
I've also experienced "extortion" of sorts with FTM. I snailmailed some
family history to a cousin with
notations that it was a work in progress with some hypothetical situations.
She was fully aware of that,
but innocently loaned it to someone else. Six months later I noticed a
particulal ancestor on a new
FTM disc-set. I purchased it just to find my own work with notations of any
hypothosis eliminated.
My nose was royally bent out of shape and I hope that no one is mislead by
my work in progress.
No where was my name or email address listed as a source, yet my husband,
minor children and
I as well as my siblings were all listed (with dates eliminated) in the
charts. I don't have a problem with
my name being in cyberspace, but I draw the line with my children and
siblings. In fact, I really have
a problem with any living person being listed in any form without
permission.
Just my opinion,
Carole
I'm not sure that I understand the connection between this mail list on
rootsweb.com and genealogy.com and the Camp Family Association. Is the Camp
Family Association now a part of genealogy.com? And how does that affect this
mail list? I have given information to Barbara to correct mistakes that are
on the Camp Family Tree. Just goes to show how much of the family tree
information is actually verified, documented information!
I have a picture of the headstone of Samuel Camp, War of 1812 veteran. Born
in PA; burial in Illinois. At this point I'm not sure if I want to name the
cemetery. I was going to send it to Larry to share, but now I am unsure what
to do.
Judith in SD
Larry,
Thanks for the "heads up" on Genealogy.com. I feel the same about
FamilyTree Maker. FTM has always sold information on CD's that people have
submitted. I think that both FTM and genealogy.com are owned by the same
company.
Again thanks,
Doris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Camp" <larryecamp(a)msn.com>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: [CAMP-L] commericialization
> Hi list,
>
> I was not aware until recently that the Camp forum was run by
Geneology.com a commercial enterprise. While I will remain a member of this
list I will neither post nor answer queiries posted on the forum. I strongly
believe in a free exchange of information and will contribute to this list
as much as possible. I am disappointed at the commericialization of
geneology on the net. They have taken photos that I have posted and are
selling them on CD's. For that reason, I will no longer post pictures even
for this great site. I will continue to exchange information I have with
members of the Camp rootsweb list, but please understand my reluctance at
furthering profit for geneology.com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
>
Why don't you move it to rootsweb.com?
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:04:58 -0600 "Larry Camp" <larryecamp(a)msn.com>
writes:
> Here is the clause in the forum that drove me nuts and to my decision
> to avoid geneology.com like the plague.
>
> Ownership and Rights to Use Materials
> You represent that you are the sole owner of all rights in Materials
> posted by you (including all related copyrights) or that you have
> the absolute right to license their use as provided in this section.
> While you will retain ownership of the copyright in the Materials
> posted by you, you agree that all Materials posted by you shall
> become part of a database on GenForum, and that we will own the
> compilation copyright in that database.
>
>
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Hello Larry,
We had no idea that this was going on. We thought our site was a part of
Rootsweb?
Thank you for the info & FOR SURE Jerry & I will need to have the password.
It makes us very angry to hear that pictures of our family are now
circulating with a pay for CD site. After all the very hard work you have
done, including tutoring us old farts to figure out how to even send a photo
to you.
We are so sorry to hear that this has happened. What is Barbara Farris going
to do?
Regards,
Gerald & Marjorie Thompson descendants of Thomas CAMPE
Here is the clause in the forum that drove me nuts and to my decision to avoid geneology.com like the plague.
Ownership and Rights to Use Materials
You represent that you are the sole owner of all rights in Materials posted by you (including all related copyrights) or that you have the absolute right to license their use as provided in this section. While you will retain ownership of the copyright in the Materials posted by you, you agree that all Materials posted by you shall become part of a database on GenForum, and that we will own the compilation copyright in that database.
I have been priviledged to provide the photos for the Camp Family Association for the past three years and I will allow the current postings to remain until the end of June. At that time I will password protect the pages to avoid commercial use of the photos. If you wish to view the photos after that please contact me at larryecamp(a)msn.com for the password and include an agreement that no use of the photos will be used for commercial purposes. In my previous message I noted that geneology.com was using the photos and also now owned the Camp forum pages. I have noticed that few if any members of this list are still posting to the forum. I thank all of you that refuse to fall victim to profiteering.
So do not blame me when you can no longer view the pictures....simply agree they are proprietary to the Camp Family Association and not for reproduction and I will provide a password.
Larry
Hi list,
I was not aware until recently that the Camp forum was run by Geneology.com a commercial enterprise. While I will remain a member of this list I will neither post nor answer queiries posted on the forum. I strongly believe in a free exchange of information and will contribute to this list as much as possible. I am disappointed at the commericialization of geneology on the net. They have taken photos that I have posted and are selling them on CD's. For that reason, I will no longer post pictures even for this great site. I will continue to exchange information I have with members of the Camp rootsweb list, but please understand my reluctance at furthering profit for geneology.com.
Thanks,
Larry
This is an update on the efforts to save the Old Cemetery(also known as
Yeazel)
in the village of Clarksville, in the Township of Vernon in Clinton County
Ohio.
I will give just a bit of information about the cemetery to refresh everyone's
mind. The Old Cemetery dates back to 1824 when William Smalley buried his
daughter Rachel Nelson there and later the same year buried his wife Prudence
Hoel Smalley there. We know the cemetery was in use at least as late as 1912
and
believe that in may have been used for many year as the paupers cemetery for
the
area. There are few records available and the cemetery book published by the
Clinton County Genealogical Society list about 26 names but we believe there
to
be many more. There are two veterans from the war of 1812 and three from the
Civil War.
In August 2001 the owners of the property where the cemetery is located wrote
the Vernon Township Trustees and informed them that they intended to move the
fencing and markers and make the area into a parking lot for their business.
The
township trustees ask that the Clinton County Prosecutors Office place an
injunction on the owners stopping them from destroying the cemetery. The
injunction was served in August 2001. The owners have now appealed this move
and
a hearing is set for 2:30 PM, Monday June 17, 2002 in the Common Pleas Court,
in
the Court House in Wilmington, OH.
Apparently in the appeal the owner is trying to establish two things. The
first
is that the site is not really a cemetery. I believe we have ample proof that
the site has been a cemetery from 1824 on. The second thing is that he believe
the Vernon Township Trustees should not be involved as the cemetery lies
wholly
within the Village of Clarksville and the Village should be involved and not
the
Township even though the Township has cared for the cemetery since at least
1985. If the judge agrees that the Township should not be involved I don't
believe the Village will fight the issue as the Village would have to pay the
attorney fees whereas the Township has the County Prosecutors Office
attorneys.
I have just heard in the last few days that the real reason for the owner
wanting to get rid of the cemetery is that he was approached by United Dairy
Farmers and the wish to place a UDF store & gas station at that site.
Anyone can attend the hearing but I think it could be helpful if at least a
couple of people attend who have ancestors buried in the cemetery. If you plan
on attending please let me know so that I can inform the attorney from the
Prosecutors Office.
Thank You
Chuck Muchmore
Researching: Duke, Evans, Hickey, Mays, Rosamond, Songer, and Camp for me
Researching: Brooks, Chambers, Massey, Fountain, and Smith for my hubbie
from another list:
" wanted to remind everyone that most of the Georgia AHGP web sites have places where you can post your family or school reunion or get-together for free. These can be posted state-wide from the main page at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/state/ or most of the individual counties have them. You can also post them nation-wide at http://genroots.net/reunions.html"
kemis
If you have had problems logging on to my website where you will find
the Samuel Camp gravestone pictures, here is another pointer to the
website: http://homepage.mac.com/riverat/camp.jpg/
Thanks for the info on the Hunsdon location and "Edwardian" Camps. I'm from
that line, also. They settled
in Connecticut, and Ichabod Camp went west to Illinois
country with George Rogers Clark. His son, Samuel Durham Camp was the
revolutionary war Camp that is buried in Georgia. (He was awarded some
bounty land in
GA for his service with the militia in the war.)
Appreciate the info on the locations in England. Thanks!
Val (Camp) McCown
Researching: Duke, Evans, Hickey, Mays, Rosamond, Songer, and Camp for me
Researching: Brooks, Chambers, Massey, Fountain, and Smith for my hubbie
The link below didn't work. I removed the everything after the "riverat/" and then clicked on "File Sharing- Graphite"
Bill, thanks for sharing.
kemis
From: Bill Horne
Subject: [CAMP-L] Sam Camp monument pictures
Thank you all for your response. Larry Camp is going to post the
pictures at the Camp pictures website. You may look at them there or if
you wish to download them from my home page the address is:
<http://homepage.mac.com/riverat/fileSharing.html>
Bill Horne
Bill Horne<
I am also a descendant of Samuel Camp, and would love the photos and info you
mentioned in your email.
My email is
vlmccown(a)aol.com, and have the regular 56k modem type of computer with
windows 95.
Thanks for your willingness to share!
Val (Camp) McCown
If you have trouble connecting to my home page, try clicking on this
address: http://homepage.mac.com/riverat/FileSharing.html
Bill
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Bill Horne <riverat(a)mac.com>
> Date: Wed Jun 05, 2002 08:59:49 AM US/Central
> To: CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Sam Camp monument pictures
>
> Thank you all for your response. Larry Camp is going to post the
> pictures at the Camp pictures website. You may look at them there or
> if you wish to download them from my home page the address is:
> <http://homepage.mac.com/riverat/fileSharing.html>
>
> Bill Horne
>
"Unfairly but truthfully, our party has been tagged as being against
things." - George W. Bush
Thank you all for your response. Larry Camp is going to post the
pictures at the Camp pictures website. You may look at them there or if
you wish to download them from my home page the address is:
<http://homepage.mac.com/riverat/fileSharing.html>
Bill Horne