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sorry I can't find any Amandas. margaret
----- Original Message -----
From: <RCamp37171(a)aol.com>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] Frederick Tracy Book
> Christine Jacob was b. 1856 in miss and married 14 aug. 1882 to Annie
> Hardie three son Annty, b mar. 1883 Jeff, b sept 1887 Henry, b mar. 1889
> and a daughter mary b april 1893 all in miss move to ARK after the 1900
> census no one by the name Amanda Margaret.?
>
To those of you have asked regarding ordering the Naezing Book directly:
The only name and address I have for purchasing the book is through
a volunteer at the church. As far as I know the book has a limited
printing. I do not feel that it is appropriate to broadcast the
name and address of a private individual with or even without permission.
Therefore, if you want any further information from me, you will just
have to be content to wait until I receive the book. I am checking
out the ways and means to mass order the book if it is available.
As I have stated before: These are all CHURCH VOLUNTEERS. Please do not
abuse them. Another Camp who is far more acquainted with the Naezing
people than I has withdrawn from public lists for this reason. This
person has donated and raised large sums of money to HELP the little
church. The village locals have preserved our heritage for centuries.
Please don't let's get so carried away with our desire for information
that we forget our debt to them.
Carole
This is less a question about geneaology but rather history. As I have
read my stuff on the Camps Edward--- Hezekiah -Rev. Samuel- Samuel-(Samuel,
Herman, Abner, et. al) and found their pilgrimage from Milford to
Ridgefield, Ridgebury to Chataugua County NY to Bradford, PA interesting.
>From the research I have found that they were involved in some of the early
oil exploration in that area. I always wondered how Camp Hill, Camptown,
etc. got their names. From what I have found was that the Camp Bros. in NY
not only messed with candles they also messed around with oil. After their
Candle factory exploded in the late 1860's (killing Abner) Herman moved
to Pennsylvania where he died in 1877. His son Cyrus Carpenter Camp (my
great grandfather) had come back from Kansas to help him. Cyrus moved back
to Kansas in 1890. Any ideas? thanks
Carole,
How about letting us know the name of the book about Naezing, where
it can be purchased, etc. I would like to see it.
Thanks!
Val (Camp) McCown
Christine Jacob was b. 1856 in miss and married 14 aug. 1882 to Annie
Hardie three son Annty, b mar. 1883 Jeff, b sept 1887 Henry, b mar. 1889
and a daughter mary b april 1893 all in miss move to ARK after the 1900
census no one by the name Amanda Margaret.?
We are related Sue!
Charles Camp did indeed marry Lydia B. Sherwood. She was born 1840 and died
in 1911.
That's all I have on her. Wish I had more <hint> . Can you fill me in on
this family?
I do not have their children listed.
Charles was born 29 May 1841 in Middletown Center, PA.
Died 6 July 1919 in Neath, PA. Got him down as a farmer and once a soldier
in
the Civil War, Pa infantry.
His parents were Nelson Camp 1816 - 1871 and Elizabeth (Betsy) Darrow 1817 -
1872.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue <naturegirl(a)cyber-quest.com>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
> Larry, My line from Job is as follows:
>
> Job - Albert - Nelson - Charles - William P. - Harry Sr. - Roy (my father)
>
> Mine is also mostly PA residents too. They moved from Middletown, PA to
> Wyalusing, PA and then reside in Susquahanna County, PA.
>
> May I ask whom Charles was married to? Was it Lydia Sherwood at one time?
> Because Warren Center wasn't very far from Middletown, PA.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry <Lagabony(a)prodigy.net>
> To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
>
>
> > First of all, thank you to everyone that has responded.
> >
> > Sue, My line from Job goes like this:
> >
> > Job - Albert - Nelson - Sylvester - Charles - Fay - Ray (my father).
> >
> > Mostly PA residence, Charles moved to NY from Warren Center, PA.
> >
> > Contact me at lagabony(a)prodigy.net if you have any questions on this
> line.
> >
> > Larry Camp
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sue <naturegirl(a)cyber-quest.com>
> > To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 2:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
> >
> >
> > > I was just wondering what line of Job Camp's is your extented from
> because
> > I
> > > am from that same line.
> > > I do have some information on Sarah Clark and it is as follows: She
was
> > born
> > > in Milford, CT and was christened on April 1, 1722 in Milford,
Newhaven,
> > CT.
> > > She died on May 23, 1791 in Milford, New Haven, CT. Her father was
> > > Lieutenant George Clark and Her mother was Mary Coley. She married
Isaac
> > in
> > > Milford, Ct in 1739. I hope that this will help some.
> > > .
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Larry <Lagabony(a)prodigy.net>
> > > To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
> > >
> > >
> > > > Deborah Bay had asked back in November about Job Camp's parents.
> > > > I have Isaac Camp and Sarah Clark listed in my family line.
> > > > I have no information on Sarah Clark - would like some if any has
any
> > info
> > > > on her.
> > > > Job Camp founded Camptown, PA. "Camptown races". Great town.
> > > > Isacc was born Feb. 24, 1720 in New Milford, Litchfield, Conn. Died
in
> > > 1761
> > > > same place.
> > > > His father was Enos.
> > > >
> > > > Job is in my direct line. I live in Campville, New York. This
> founder
> > of
> > > > Campville is
> > > > no relation that I can come up with.
> > > >
> > > > Larry Camp.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Deborah Bay <bayd(a)qwest.net>
> > > > To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:59 AM
> > > > Subject: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > For all who are interested: I wrote to Milford, CT requesting a
copy
> > of
> > > > > the birth record for Job Camp (b. 1747, m. Anna Oviatt). The hope
> was
> > to
> > > > > settle once and for all the question of parentage (Isaac
Camp/Sarah
> > > > > Clark, or Israel Camp/Anne Hine). All the references I've found
and
> > that
> > > > > people have sent support Isaac Camp and Sarah Clark.
> > > > >
> > > > > Response from the Milford City Clerk is: "We have no record of a
Job
> > > > > Camp or Campe being born in Milford between 1640-1850. I suggest
you
> > > > > contact: Connecticut State Library..."
> > > > >
> > > > > As I've had Job Camp as being born in Milford and New Milford
> > (depending
> > > > > on which source I look at), I'll try New Milford and see if they
> have
> > > > > anything. If anyone else has already contacted New Milford for a
> birth
> > > > > record on this Job Camp, please holler and let me know if you were
> > > > > successful in getting one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Deborah Bay
> > > > > Denver, CO
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Did this Job Camp by any chance have any children or grandchildren named
Amanda Margaret Camp born 1851 MS and Laura who I think was born in 1855.
Amanda married David B. Shelton in 1865 in Jefferson Co. AR and since it is
so close to Saline I had to ask. Anyone out there interested in this
family?
Christine
----- Original Message -----
From: <RCamp37171(a)aol.com>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] Frederick Tracy Book
> DAVID. In looking for information on his parents and him John T. Camp b.
> nov. 1818 in Georia and his wife Mary b. 1815 in S. Canolina. He was in
the
> 1840 census in tishomingo co. Miss until 1900 census and in 1910 was in
> Saline co. ARK at the age 91 with son Jacob Camp and family.
> if anyone can
add
> to this or wants more information please let me know.
> David there was a Hosea Camp in Jackson co. Georia in 1820 census
and
> in 1830 census HOSEA Camp in Walton co. Georia. and Hosea kemp in
Gwinnett
> co. Georia hope this weill help.?
> RON
>
Can you tell me who James Franklin Camp, born in 1915 in Mulford,
Alabama, descended from. i believe his wife's name was Hazel. He ws a
preacher for the churchof Christ. I believe his father and grandfather
were both preachers for the church of Christ.
Let me thank you in advance.
Henry Camp
Fort Worth, Texas
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I am requesting information again on Anna Camp.
Is there anyone who is related to Camps that lived in Litchfield County, CT,
particularly Plymouth? I would also like to know the web address of the
Camp
database.
I am trying to find the family of Anna H. Camp or Annah Camp b. about 1771
in CT. She married Andrew Jerome, February 1798 in Plymouth, Litchfield
County, CT. She was his 2nd wife. His first was Hannah Rowe. Anna died on
August 14, 1854 and is buried in Maple Grove Cemetary near Harpersfield,
Ashtabula County, OH next to her husband and son Charles. Another son was
Merritt, to whom I am related.
One source I read said her father was Samuel Camp (called Capt.). This
source said that Samuel's brother was named Benajah. It also said that
Chloe Jerome, Andrew's sister, married Benajah Camp and that Betsey Jerome,
daughter of Andrew's brother, Lyman, married Orrin Camp, son of Benajah. It
also says that Jeannette, another daughter of Lyman married Deacon Samuel
Camp of Plymouth. Is there anyone that can back up this information. It
comes from a genealogy on the Jerome family (I do not know if it was
published or not).
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Linda Dufek
dufek(a)theriver.com
Sorry, forgot to put in the second slash on website.
http://www.sturgood.com/genealog.htm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John S. Sturdevant [mailto:JSSturdevant@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 8:22 AM
> To: CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CAMP-L] Connecticut Camps
>
>
>
> >
>
Hello Camp list,
Marjorie, thanks for the reply. John Camp's death in Salsbury, Litchfield
county puts him in the same county as Hannah Camp Hatch and John Sturdevant
Jr. They lived in New Milford, now a part of Bridgewater, so that may be
another clue, as both Hezekiah and Lydia were born in Milford. Does anybody
else have any information on this particular branch of Camp's? Is there a
website or some other source that I can view the Connecticut Camp lines to
get a handle on what I am searching for?
Janice, I don't know as yet know whether the Rev. John Sturdevant is related
to my line. I do have a NY connection in Stephen Sturdevant, brother of John
Jr., born in the 1760s or 70s. He lived in Eden NY, and the Rev. may be a
descendant of his. John Jr. ran the Baptist Society in New Milford. I will
file the information away for further research, thankyou.
Thanks again, any further info much appreciated.
John Sturdevant
jssturdevant(a)mindspring.com
my line: http:/www.sturgood.com/genealog.htm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JMTsparks(a)aol.com [mailto:JMTsparks@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 10:42 AM
> To: jssturdevant(a)mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: John & Hannah
>
>
> John
>
> >It sounds like Marjorie in NV may have the right Hannah. Given the
> >propensity of my line to name their children after relatives may
> give us a
> >clue. Their two children were named Hannah and Mary and may have
> been named
> >after Hannah Jewell and Mary Sanford (John Jr.'s mother). Marjorie do you
> >know where in Connecticut John Camp and Hannah Jewell lived?
>
> John CAMP b East Haven, New Haven Co., CT. d Salsbury, Litchfield Co., CT.
> Father: Hezekiah CAMP b Milford, New Haven, CT.
> Mother: Lydia CAMP b Milford, New Haven, CT.
>
> Hannah JEWELL b Salsbury, Litchfield Co., CT.
>
> Marjorie in NV.
>
DAVID. In looking for information on his parents and him John T. Camp b.
nov. 1818 in Georia and his wife Mary b. 1815 in S. Canolina. He was in the
1840 census in tishomingo co. Miss until 1900 census and in 1910 was in
Saline co. ARK at the age 91 with son Jacob Camp and family.
if anyone can add
to this or wants more information please let me know.
David there was a Hosea Camp in Jackson co. Georia in 1820 census and
in 1830 census HOSEA Camp in Walton co. Georia. and Hosea kemp in Gwinnett
co. Georia hope this weill help.?
RON
First of all, thank you to everyone that has responded.
Sue, My line from Job goes like this:
Job - Albert - Nelson - Sylvester - Charles - Fay - Ray (my father).
Mostly PA residence, Charles moved to NY from Warren Center, PA.
Contact me at lagabony(a)prodigy.net if you have any questions on this line.
Larry Camp
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue <naturegirl(a)cyber-quest.com>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
> I was just wondering what line of Job Camp's is your extented from because
I
> am from that same line.
> I do have some information on Sarah Clark and it is as follows: She was
born
> in Milford, CT and was christened on April 1, 1722 in Milford, Newhaven,
CT.
> She died on May 23, 1791 in Milford, New Haven, CT. Her father was
> Lieutenant George Clark and Her mother was Mary Coley. She married Isaac
in
> Milford, Ct in 1739. I hope that this will help some.
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry <Lagabony(a)prodigy.net>
> To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
>
>
> > Deborah Bay had asked back in November about Job Camp's parents.
> > I have Isaac Camp and Sarah Clark listed in my family line.
> > I have no information on Sarah Clark - would like some if any has any
info
> > on her.
> > Job Camp founded Camptown, PA. "Camptown races". Great town.
> > Isacc was born Feb. 24, 1720 in New Milford, Litchfield, Conn. Died in
> 1761
> > same place.
> > His father was Enos.
> >
> > Job is in my direct line. I live in Campville, New York. This founder
of
> > Campville is
> > no relation that I can come up with.
> >
> > Larry Camp.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Deborah Bay <bayd(a)qwest.net>
> > To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:59 AM
> > Subject: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
> >
> >
> > > For all who are interested: I wrote to Milford, CT requesting a copy
of
> > > the birth record for Job Camp (b. 1747, m. Anna Oviatt). The hope was
to
> > > settle once and for all the question of parentage (Isaac Camp/Sarah
> > > Clark, or Israel Camp/Anne Hine). All the references I've found and
that
> > > people have sent support Isaac Camp and Sarah Clark.
> > >
> > > Response from the Milford City Clerk is: "We have no record of a Job
> > > Camp or Campe being born in Milford between 1640-1850. I suggest you
> > > contact: Connecticut State Library..."
> > >
> > > As I've had Job Camp as being born in Milford and New Milford
(depending
> > > on which source I look at), I'll try New Milford and see if they have
> > > anything. If anyone else has already contacted New Milford for a birth
> > > record on this Job Camp, please holler and let me know if you were
> > > successful in getting one.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Deborah Bay
> > > Denver, CO
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Dear Carole; thank you for such a wonderful reply. I have been to England,
Scotland and Ireland . This will be my 5th trip to England and my sister was
with the Red Cross in WWII,stationed in England. I would never think of
disturbing native plants. Didn't enter my mind about crowding. In
California we are fighting the star thistle. WHAT A PEST!!Edward Camp ,from
whom I descend had a home in St. Margaret's. Will just have to give all this
info to my English neighbor. We plan to really trot while there only one
week --also have to do my mother's side, like Lincolnshire and
Alsop-in-the-dale, Lacy and Whittemore WHEW! What a horrible experience you
had when returning from England, we have always declared EVERTHING and found
customs a breeze. I have been scouring the English maps I have and cannot
locate these little dots on the map so i shall ask my english neighbor to
help. margaret
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathryn Camp" <ckcamp(a)umich.edu>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: [CAMP-L] London/Naezing
>
> I apologize for the off-topic comment, but I just wanted to say that it is
> not always a good idea to introduce plants (i.e, California poppies) to an
> environment which is not their native environment (i.e., England). Rather
> than adding to the beauty of the Naezing area, the poppies could turn out
to
> be much hardier than the native plants, outcompete them, and drive them
out
> of existence. That would mean that future generations could not go to see
> the place of their Camp ancestors with the local flora which could have
been
> around when Thomas Camp was. California poppies are truly beautiful, but
are
> most beautiful (in my opinion) in California.
>
> Just a thought. Enjoy your trip!
> Best,
> Kathryn Camp
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carole Johnson [mailto:fojo@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:10 AM
> To: CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CAMP-L] London/Naezing
>
>
> Margaret,
>
> It is very easy to navigate London and vicinity. If you haven't been
> before, I'd suggest getting a rail pass through your travel agent. It
> would also help if you got a rail/underground map. We were staying near
> the Marble Arch at an underground station. My husband usually shuns
> anytype of rapid transit, but the London Underground is so efficient
> and easy to use we never took cabs except to the airport. I believe
> we took a train (regular train, not underground) out of the Liverpool
> Street Staion north out of the city. We had to make a connection at
> another station for another train. I can't recall the exact route,
> because we didn't get off the original train when we should have and
> had to backtrack to the station we were supposed to. My advice would
> be to ask directions from one of the rail stations information offices.
> I was surprised that no one at our hotel or any of the underground
> stations knew directions to (or had heard of) Naezing. The rail
> station information attendants had a better knowledge of areas
> outside London. It should take you about an hour to reach Naezing
> from Liverpool Station. The rail destination is not actually Naezing,
> but a village nearby that is larger (the name escapes me, sorry -
> all get out my maps and give you better directions later). There
> is only a tiny pub in Naezing to eat (the cabbie wouldn't recommend it!)
> Once at the village, Naezing is about fifteen minutes away. Our cabbie
> took us right to the church. It is on a hill. On the way you will
> pass an estate that the cabbie told us Nicole Kidman was purchasing.
>
> I am not aware of St. Margaret's, so can't help you there. What is
> there?
>
> I would also recommend that you visit Lawrence Campe's almshouse in
> Frien Barnet. We rode a bus out of the last underground stop to
> the village. We had lunch in the little Italian restaurant in the
> village. They were quite taken with American tourists in the village.
> Most of their visitors are from London. We walked from the village
> to the almshouse. It was about a two mile hike, so in winter you might
want
> a cab. We saw buses and bus stops, so you might inquire in the village
> as to schedules.
>
> Lawrence was buried in London, I believe. There was something about
> him being buried in a wall... I was told that there wasn't a marker
> or anything to make it noteworthy. Since we were running out of time
> we didn't pursue it. Maybe someone on the list has information?
>
> One thing to note if you've never been to London. In the villages
> you won't find anything open between lunch and dinner except pubs
> (and no food, only drink). This is not the case in London, but
> you could starve outside the city if you are like me and like a
> late breakfast, late lunch and light dinner. Not one to miss a
> meal, I quickly learned to adapt!
>
> One other thing you might consider. Our cabbie told us that a new
> hotel was opening near Naezing. If I remember correctly, I believe
> it is a Hilton. You might want to check in to it and stay there
> a night. I would have loved to prowl around Naezing more than the
> few hours we had. There are homes still standing that Camps reportedly
> lived in. They are privately owned, but it is possible you could at
> least drive by.
>
> As far as the poppies go, you might want to check with your travel
> agent about what may be brought into the country. My personal experience
> with our return to Atlanta from London scared the willies out of me.
> Someone on our flight was handcuffed and whisked off the plane as soon
> as we touched down. We were laughing and joking about it until my
> husband and I were detained as we were going through customs. We
> had been meticulous about reporting everything we had purchased and
> were miffed at seeing so many folks with Harrod's bags going through
> like a breeze while we were the only other ones on the plane stopped.
> That changed pretty quickly when we were passed off from one to another
> customs agent and my husband was sent across the airport to pay our
> $15.00 duty tax. It seems that someone with my exact birthdate and
> name was suspected of smuggling three POUNDS of heroin from Atlanta
> to Jamaica. The agents had no description of her. They began asking
> me when was the last time I'd been to Montego Bay. This was at midnight
> after my being awake for twenty-four hours. Fortunately, this trip
> to Paris/London was the first time I'd ever been out of the country.
> For once my being an unsophisticated "hick" saved me. I'm sure the
> agents thought my horror at being suspected of such a thing was real.
> So, to answer your question: If you have doubts, do NOT take anything
> into another country that could get you into trouble!
>
> I'll check my maps to see if I can locate more specfic train routes.
> Carole
>
Sarah was the daughter ofLt. George Clark and Mary (Curtis) Coley, so this
gives you a connection with the Curtis family from Nazing England. Sarah
bapt 1 apr, 1722.d.23 may 1791ae 71 years.m(1) I CAMP , B. 10 APR 1723, D.
IN 1761;,M (2) Evan Evans. from the book Ancestry and descendants of
Frederick Tracy camp and his wife marion Fee. written by my cousin jack Camp
----- Original Message -----
From: <TFarris268(a)aol.com>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] birth record for Job Camp
> Larry,
> I checked the Camp Family Database and found Sarah Clark was the daughter
of
> George Clark and Mary Coley and grand daughter of Ens. George Clark and
> Deborah Gold. Sarah died 23 May 1791 in Milford.
>
> Barbara Farris
> Carrie Camp Memorial Library
>
>
> > I have no information on Sarah Clark - would like some if any has any
info
> > on her.
> >
>
>
>
Larry,
I checked the Camp Family Database and found Sarah Clark was the daughter of
George Clark and Mary Coley and grand daughter of Ens. George Clark and
Deborah Gold. Sarah died 23 May 1791 in Milford.
Barbara Farris
Carrie Camp Memorial Library
> I have no information on Sarah Clark - would like some if any has any info
> on her.
>
Margaret,
It is very easy to navigate London and vicinity. If you haven't been
before, I'd suggest getting a rail pass through your travel agent. It
would also help if you got a rail/underground map. We were staying near
the Marble Arch at an underground station. My husband usually shuns
anytype of rapid transit, but the London Underground is so efficient
and easy to use we never took cabs except to the airport. I believe
we took a train (regular train, not underground) out of the Liverpool
Street Staion north out of the city. We had to make a connection at
another station for another train. I can't recall the exact route,
because we didn't get off the original train when we should have and
had to backtrack to the station we were supposed to. My advice would
be to ask directions from one of the rail stations information offices.
I was surprised that no one at our hotel or any of the underground
stations knew directions to (or had heard of) Naezing. The rail
station information attendants had a better knowledge of areas
outside London. It should take you about an hour to reach Naezing
from Liverpool Station. The rail destination is not actually Naezing,
but a village nearby that is larger (the name escapes me, sorry -
all get out my maps and give you better directions later). There
is only a tiny pub in Naezing to eat (the cabbie wouldn't recommend it!)
Once at the village, Naezing is about fifteen minutes away. Our cabbie
took us right to the church. It is on a hill. On the way you will
pass an estate that the cabbie told us Nicole Kidman was purchasing.
I am not aware of St. Margaret's, so can't help you there. What is
there?
I would also recommend that you visit Lawrence Campe's almshouse in
Frien Barnet. We rode a bus out of the last underground stop to
the village. We had lunch in the little Italian restaurant in the
village. They were quite taken with American tourists in the village.
Most of their visitors are from London. We walked from the village
to the almshouse. It was about a two mile hike, so in winter you might want
a cab. We saw buses and bus stops, so you might inquire in the village
as to schedules.
Lawrence was buried in London, I believe. There was something about
him being buried in a wall... I was told that there wasn't a marker
or anything to make it noteworthy. Since we were running out of time
we didn't pursue it. Maybe someone on the list has information?
One thing to note if you've never been to London. In the villages
you won't find anything open between lunch and dinner except pubs
(and no food, only drink). This is not the case in London, but
you could starve outside the city if you are like me and like a
late breakfast, late lunch and light dinner. Not one to miss a
meal, I quickly learned to adapt!
One other thing you might consider. Our cabbie told us that a new
hotel was opening near Naezing. If I remember correctly, I believe
it is a Hilton. You might want to check in to it and stay there
a night. I would have loved to prowl around Naezing more than the
few hours we had. There are homes still standing that Camps reportedly
lived in. They are privately owned, but it is possible you could at
least drive by.
As far as the poppies go, you might want to check with your travel
agent about what may be brought into the country. My personal experience
with our return to Atlanta from London scared the willies out of me.
Someone on our flight was handcuffed and whisked off the plane as soon
as we touched down. We were laughing and joking about it until my
husband and I were detained as we were going through customs. We
had been meticulous about reporting everything we had purchased and
were miffed at seeing so many folks with Harrod's bags going through
like a breeze while we were the only other ones on the plane stopped.
That changed pretty quickly when we were passed off from one to another
customs agent and my husband was sent across the airport to pay our
$15.00 duty tax. It seems that someone with my exact birthdate and
name was suspected of smuggling three POUNDS of heroin from Atlanta
to Jamaica. The agents had no description of her. They began asking
me when was the last time I'd been to Montego Bay. This was at midnight
after my being awake for twenty-four hours. Fortunately, this trip
to Paris/London was the first time I'd ever been out of the country.
For once my being an unsophisticated "hick" saved me. I'm sure the
agents thought my horror at being suspected of such a thing was real.
So, to answer your question: If you have doubts, do NOT take anything
into another country that could get you into trouble!
I'll check my maps to see if I can locate more specfic train routes.
Carole
Hello....my email address is RobCurtis(a)prodigy.net......
and I thank you so much for offering to help me......
Bob Curtis
----- Original Message -----
From: "okeegal" <okeegal(a)pacbell.net>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] Curtis and Camp Connection in Nazeing, Essex,
England
> See you posted another e-mail. Give me your address and I will send
you the 3 pages from john Camp's book about the Curtis family. I am
not very good with the scanner yet.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R Curtis" <RobCurtis(a)prodigy.net>
> To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:09 PM
> Subject: [CAMP-L] Curtis and Camp Connection in Nazeing, Essex,
England
>
>
> > I would love to obtain the book being discussed....and if possible
> > could someone who has
> > the book, please scan this info and let me know if it is in the
book
> > and if there is anything
> > that can be added. Thank you very much!!!!
> >
> > Forwarded for your information and use.....if it is useful. Bob
> > Curtis in San Antonio, Tx....
> >
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > ----------
> >
> >
> > The following information pertains to the Curtis and Camp
> > connection in Nazeing, Essex, England. The Curtis-Curtiss
> > Genalogy Society located at >> www.curtis-curtiss.com <<
> > Has some interesting history and photos from Nazeing. One
includes
> > the Camp home as well as the Curtis home and the Parrish Church.
> >
> > I am interested your opinion and records envolving this connection
to
> > your Camp family.
> >
> > FIRST GENERATION
> >
> > 1. John CAMP was born in 1505 in Nazeing, County of Essex,
England.
> > John Camp b 1505 d 1574 was descendent of a very old family which
is
> > continually in the Nazeing records from June 1271. He was buried
> > on Jan 1574 in Nazeing, England.
> >
> > Wife of John Camp is currently unknown to this researcher.
> >
> > They had the following children, but there could have been others:
> >
> > +2 i. Richard CAMP
> >
> > SECOND GENERATION
> >
> > 2. Richard CAMP was born in 1535. Died on Apr 20 1569. Buried in
Apr
> > 1569.
> > All events took place in Nazeing, County of Essex, England.
> >
> > He married Madeline (Madalen) HALL on Sep 24 1562. Madeline
(Madalen)
> > HALL was
> > born in 1540. Died in Jul 1593. As with her husband, Richard
Camp,
> > all events took place
> > in Nazeing, England.
> >
> > They had the following children:
> >
> > +3 i. John CAMP
> > +4 ii. Mary CAMP
> > 5 iii. Richard CAMP was born on Jun 2 1565; Died in Aug
1584.
> > All events took place in Nazeing, England.
> > +6 iv. Nicholas CAMP
> >
> > THIRD GENERATION
> >
> > 3. John CAMP was born on Jan 17 1563 in Nazeing, Essex, England.
He
> > married Mary
> > (a Cousin) CAMP on Oct 3 1596.
> >
> >
> > 4. Mary CAMP (sister of the above John) was born on Dec 1 1563.
Died
> > on Nov 24 1594.
> > These events occurred in Nazeing, England.
> >
> > She married Thomas CURTIS on Aug 24 1585. She was the first wife
of
> > Thomas Curtis of
> > Nazeing, England, the son of William and Agnes Curtis of Nazeing.
> > Presumedly the marriage
> > ended upon Mary's death Nov 24, 1594, at the age of 31. Thomas
CURTIS
> > was born on
> > Aug 25 1560. Died in Jan 1605. Buried on Jan 6 1605. These events
all
> > occurred in Nazeing,
> > Essex, England.
> >
> > Thomas remarried to Mary Shelley, a widow, on Jul 3, 1596.
> >
> > Thomas' will apparently was proved Jan 31, 1605.
> >
> > They had the following children:
> >
> > 7 i. Martha CURTIS was born in Oct 1587 in Nazeing.
> > +8 ii. Mary CURTIS was born on Mar 14 1589 in Nazeing.
> > 9 iii. Elizabeth CURTIS was born on Mar 14 1590 in
Nazeing.
> > +10 iv. William CURTIS was born Nov 12 1592 in Nazeing.
> > 11 v. Thomas CURTIS was born in Jul 1594 in Nazeing.
> > Died as an infant in Nazeing.
> >
> >
> > 6. Nicholas CAMP was born on Nov 20 1569 in Nazeing, Essex,
England.
> > Died in Jun 1598. His marriage and any children is unknown to
this
> > researcher.
> >
> > (The following generation is of the Curtis family of Thomas Curtis
and
> > Mary Camp.)
> >
> > FOURTH GENERATION
> >
> > 8. Mary CURTIS was born on Mar 14 1589 in Nazeing, Essex, England.
> > Died in 1672 in Roxbury, Mass.
> >
> > She married Thomas RUGGLES on Nov 1 1620 in Nazeing, Essex,
England.
> > Thomas RUGGLES was born in 1593 in bp Sudbury, England. Thomas
> > Ruggles came to America in 1637 on the Ship Hopewell. Thomas
Ruggles
> > will was made Nov 9, 1644, probably in Roxbury, Mass.
> >
> >
> > 10. William CURTIS was born on Nov 12 1592 in Nazeing, Essex,
England.
> > Died on Dec 8 1672 in Roxbury (Now a part of Boston), Mass.
> >
> > William Curtis and his wife Sarah Eliot and 4 of their children
came
> > to American on the ship Lyon/Lion sailing June 22, 1632 - landing
in
> > Boston on Sep 16, 1632 - settling in Roxbury. William's oldest
> > child...William came to American a year or so earlier possibly
with
> > his uncle, the Rev John Eliot.
> >
> > It is stated in the Genealogical Guide to the Early Settlers of
> > America that William Curtis became a freeman Mar 4 1633, first
named
> > to the list on that day.
> >
> > He married Sarah ELIOT on Aug 6 1618 in Nazeing, Essex, England.
> > Sarah ELIOT was born on Jan 13 1599 in Widford, Hertz, England.
Died
> > on Mar 26 1673 in Roxbury, Mass.
> >
> >
> > They had the following children:
> >
> > 12 i. William CURTIS was born in 1619 in Nazeing, Essex,
> > England. Died in 1634 in Roxbury, Mass.
> > William Curtis the first bornof William and Sarah
> > Eliot Curtis probably came to America with his uncle,
> > the Rev John Eliot on the ship Lyon/Lion sailing
about
> > Aug 23, 1631. He was only 15 when he died
> > in Roxbury.
> > 13 ii. Mary CURTIS was born on Mar 11 1620 in Nazeing.
> > 14 iii. Thomas CURTIS was born in Jan 1622 in Nazeing.
> > 15 iv. Elizabeth CURTIS was born on Feb 13 1624 in
> > Nazeing. Reference indicates only Elizabeth died
young
> > in Nazeing.
> > 16 v. Sarah CURTIS was born on Aug 5 1627 in Nazeing.
> > +17 vi. John CURTIS
> > +18 vii. Philip CURTIS
> >
> > Genealogy Guide of the Early Settlers of America, pg 124, under
> > William Curtis....list children....and states those born here
> > (Roxbury, MA) were Ellis, Hannah, Elizabeth (this is a second
child
> > named Elizabeth, not the one listed above as being born in 1624 in
> > Nazeing and passing when very young) and Isaac (July 22 1641).
> >
> > 19 viii. Ellis CURTIS was b 1633 in Roxbury, MA.
> > +20 ix. Hannah CURTIS was b Roxbury, MA
> > +21 x. Elizabeth CURTIS was b Roxbury, MA
> > +22 xi. Isaac CURTIS was b July 22 1641 in Roxbury, MA.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Hi Bob; My Curtis ancestors werre William of Nazing b.1535(46) m. Agnes. His
son John m Elizabeth Hutchins he d. possibly at Wetherfield Ct abt 1640. So
my Curtis and your Curtis are brothers. Margaret Camp Ahrendt. I belong to
the Curtis assoc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "R Curtis" <RobCurtis(a)prodigy.net>
To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [CAMP-L] Curtis/Camp Connection
> Hello Carole, always a Camp....Your letter was a great blessing to me
> and will be to other Curtises that I am
> connected to. The Curtis/Curtiss Society is nearly 50 yrs old and
> several of the current and past members have visited Nazeing and the
> beautiful church. Our society also
> contributes toward the aid of those envolved with the upkeep of the
> area.
>
> My immigrant family was William and Sarah (Eliot) Curtis, who arrived
> in Boston aboard the Lion on Sep 16 1632. They took up residence in
> Roxbury, MA. I have a copy of the list of passenger accompanying on
> the trip.
>
> I look forward to future discussions with you regarding Nazeing and
> the Camp connections.
>
> Bob Curtis in San Antonio, Tx....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carole Johnson" <fojo(a)mindspring.com>
> To: <CAMP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:07 AM
> Subject: [CAMP-L] Curtis/Camp Connection
>
>
> > Dear Bob and List,
> > (Clipped......snip......snip.....snip)
>
>
>